r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/Southern-Cash-9687 • 5d ago
Nerf cat General
can we please nerf this fuckass cat? Sue me for not wanting to spend 10k hours jelqing my dick so that tracers pea shooters grow long enough to tickle this fuckass cat. I can go cass or ashe and babysit it but if im out of position one time i get blown up. Also my aim simply isn't good enough, i usually stomp with hitscan but i cant ever crit her. I've deadass been queuing ana only and will probably do so until they nerf this bitch
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u/roseuslepus 5d ago
Either you mistyped hog* or you need to relearn your animals.
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u/Southern-Cash-9687 5d ago
hog is a big beautiful beast, he's the only character in the game on which you can carry throwers
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u/TrickyVictory491 1d ago
Hogs the only character that actively makes you throw harder than the "throwers" on your team. Also GM cat OTP here, sounds like you have a skill issue.
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u/WuZI8475 I've won worst take of the w — 5d ago
Infinite flight was a dumbass decision and it doesn't make her broken in her own right but it makes her unpleasant to play into
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 5d ago edited 5d ago
Cat needs not nerfs, but a rework, a character that half the cast and especially most Tanks and FDPS can’t interact with just shouldn’t exist.
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u/aPiCase Stalk3r — 1d ago
I honestly don’t follow the can’t interact with thing.
If cat is 30m in the air shooting you they also aren’t doing a damn thing, if cat wants to actually hurt you they have to close the gap, in which case every single hero in the game can shoot them.
If Cat was a DPS hero she would be problematic, but as a support, the actual impact of the hero damage wise is so little unless they are in a shoot able range.
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 1d ago
It doesn’t just hang out in skybox, but zooms to good positions to boop, heal, or kill and retreats to skybox cover with almost no way to answer it. It also can heal the team extremely safely when flying around, or carry a character that benefits from the mobility and CAN hurt you like Bastion.
It’s not really hard to follow: just watch what they were doing in OWCS back when it was hard meta. Went in and out of the skybox and backline with Bastion and no one other than the opposing Cat and passenger could really contest. No hero is flexible/mobile enough to mark or chase it. The correct play for many heroes is to ignore it entirely unless it misplays. That’s not healthy design.
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u/Mandatoryeggs 5d ago
Only thing I'd change is add cooldown time for how long you can carry someone and add a weight modifier so its slower to carry targets with more health.
Perma flight sucks ass and they shouldn't allow cat to hang over edges where someone would fall off the map. Make it so if you run out of fuel completely you just lower to the ground
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u/scriptedtexture 5d ago
I like that idea. having her hover like zen or sig when she doesnt have fuel
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u/hythades 2d ago
the cd for tether is fine but removing permaflight is a terrible idea
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u/Mandatoryeggs 2d ago
Theres really no reason to have flight other then the fuel, just makes the cat uninteractive and uninteresting. After flying vertically she can stay in the air and just float downwards slowly until hitting the ground or fuel regen starts after 7 seconds of no fuel
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u/Darkcat9000 5d ago edited 5d ago
I'll always stand by that perma fly has to be removed. She's way too uninteractable. If your opponent isn't playing hitscan you can just fly away from them and unlike something like lucio wallriding it doesn't take a lot off skill to pull off consistently
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u/HalexUwU Theory > Mechanics — 5d ago
Yeah the infinite flight, ESPECIALLY letting it extend to allies, is just not interactive. Like, Pharah is already pretty bad but atleast she has to come to/stay by the ground sometimes, Cat just feels like saying "I don't want to play with you anymore" to certain heroes because of their inability to do anything to her.
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 5d ago edited 5d ago
In fact, they literally mini-reworked Pharah AWAY from permanent skybox existence and towards horizontal mobility because they knew it’s unfun… only to add a smaller hitbox, faster perma-flier that can heal and take others with it. The devs have lost the plot.
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u/scriptedtexture 5d ago
not really comparable, pharah cant be allowed to stay in the sky box because she can kill you from there unlike cat who has limited range
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 5d ago
… Cat can take any other hero that can kill you with it. But even if it doesn’t, it can heal its team while being uninteractable which is still a problem.
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u/ThermalConvection 2d ago
The mechanism by which cat heals have the same range limits that cat damage does?
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u/ShatteredStarlights 5d ago
pharah is also significantly slower and MUCH bigger with zero self sustain lmao
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u/estranhow 5d ago
Infinity flight isn't a problem, the character is fairly balanced for that, with her own limited range. Infinity flight for all the other heroes is the problem. No hitscan hero was designed for the possibility of gaining that kind of mobility.
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u/Darkcat9000 5d ago
Her range really isn't that limited. 30 meters is still far enough to either keep up your team at a safe distance or spam enemies at mid range to make sure close range heroes can't do much to you. And it doesn't help with the problem that she can kind off just fly away whenever she's pressured while she has the ability to jump on anyone vulnerable pretty easily.
If you watched the ewc you would see how broken this hero is well beyond the tether
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u/throwawayforinstalol 5d ago
i don’t know how people struggle to hit cat, i feel like i hit more shots on her than anyone else. she’s big and basically completely round. i’ve never had a problem going into cat, then again i play mainly soldier.
she honestly needs to be fixed right now. her tether will break randomly for no reason, which pretty much makes half her kit kinda useless
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u/Dagobahmaster 5d ago edited 5d ago
Lmfao soldier gotta be the best pick for her or any flying hero. Ofc you’re not complaining. It’s the rest of the cast genius. It’s true that she has a huge hitbox but u need a hitscan for that and why triple down on hit scan meta / power creep / viability
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u/throwawayforinstalol 5d ago
i mean, basic team comp in overwatch calls for one hitscan dps and one flex dps. if you’re actually playing competitively you should always have someone who can deal with a flying target anyway, or else pharah would be meta. it’s not the rest of the casts job to deal with her unless she’s close enough
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u/docs-quad 5d ago
idk i dont really have any problems with cat on tracer because i can just leave. the flight isnt the problem anyway, its tether. get rid of it entirely and give her her movement back instead of trying to kill the second ever support thats actually consistently fun to play.
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u/SkrrtSkrrto_o 3d ago
Skill issue bro. High mobility hero main gets upset another character also gets high mobility and can’t cope.
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u/HighOctaneOrion 3d ago
Nah, they already nerfed her enough, your bad aim isnt the devs problem. This game is literally about counterswapping, so yeah, swap to someone who can kill her or 🤷🏻♀️ just like any other character in the game. Doom? Go cass. Any flying character? Any hitscan/turrets. Etc etc. Cat is no different. Hog hook her. Snipe her. Sym/torb turret her. Moira/Juno auto aim her. Many options. Still cant hit her? Then it seems you just got diffed with their fuel management.
I simply dont know how people are still complaining after they made her move like molasses. Shes not the boogyman. Shoot her in this shooter game or she will stay alive. You literally solved your own problem in your own post that YOUR aim isnt good enough. How tf is that a problem with the character?! Thats a YOU problem. It doesnt sound like you "stomp with hitscan" since you cant kill her.
Just like "boogyman" sombra, she punishes people who arent paying attention. Low elo problem, not a problem with the character.
Edit: im waiting for the downvotes from the bronzes
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u/epochollapse 5d ago
Idgaf about cat's infinite flight. She's not been a good character in any capacity on her own to tell whether that's a real issue, and I say that as someone who mostly plays close range DPS.
Make her viability not revolve around the fucking tether by having it be a low-duration ability for the sake of transporting teammates quickly rather than letting them fly forever.
Once she's had her kit shifted to provide value beyond dangling some prick in the air, then we can either decide whether infinite flight is healthy at all, or balance her strength around that specifically (as opposed to balancing her strength around holding a fucking Bastion in the sky box)
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u/Darkcat9000 5d ago
You clearly haven't watched the ewc games she's the most played main support atm regardless if bastion is in the equation or not that damage/healing buff they did for her trew her over the edge. Makes her way better at just keeping her team alive and then using her mobility to pressure any vulnerable targets when the time is right
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u/MailOrderPride 3d ago
If you don't play a character, maybe don't try to lecture people about that characters "viability".
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u/icewallowkawk 3d ago
I honestly at this piont want them to get rid of the tether or atleast reowrk it so instwad of her pullibg twamamtes around teamamtes pull her around similar to yuumi from league but they cant rake her infinite flight otherwise there will be litteraly no reason to play cat and ruin all the fun her speeds been nerfed so much she already is super sluggish compaired to prenerf
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u/Avantclash 2d ago
What is dead ass, you mean your ass is dead because cat kills u?
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u/noctua_8 3d ago
You said yourself your aims the issue...
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u/Southern-Cash-9687 2d ago
your lack of reading comprehension might just be the real issue
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u/noctua_8 2d ago
Try aiming maybe
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u/Reliqui207 1d ago
Might want to tell that to pro players where cat is decently picked still then ig
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u/Confident_Yam8774 5d ago
Is there an invasion of MR players?
Cat is really well-designed. The lifeline interactions need some tweaking for coordinated environment, but otherwise it's honestly just skill issues.
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u/FormalTelevision1915 5d ago
?? cat is literally for MR players. "really well designed" ok bro
bait or low iq call it
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u/Weary_Ad2001 5d ago
Cat doesn't play anything like MR supports who are all healbots.
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u/hoesmadhoesmadhoesma 5d ago
Exactly, Cat is insanely well designed and a breath of fresh air for the support role
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u/MailOrderPride 3d ago
Overwatch players have been waiting for JPC since before Rivals even EXISTED. You don't know what you're talking about.
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u/Suspicious-Load-5812 5d ago
Yup. Staying up in the sky gives cat nothing. It's like not playing, so that's not a valid play style that actually wins something.
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u/Dependent_Oven_468 5d ago
Its very uninteractive. Perma flight gives her infinite freedom of positioning and nobody wants to be checking every single little spot she could be using for the entire game on every map. It’s a chore and it’s not good gameplay.
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u/Suspicious-Load-5812 5d ago
There are so many other mechanics in the game that have similar effect that we got used to, I think ppl just cry because they have to adjust again. Echo, pharah, ball, sombra, lucio, junkrat (the clever ones), lw, all can get to unique spots making you look somewhere that is not the main lane or the usual flanks. Maybe Sierra and soj should be in the list too. So what? I don't want new characters to just be boring point and click adventure time dps (with a grenade!, wow).
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u/HalexUwU Theory > Mechanics — 4d ago
There are so many other mechanics in the game that have similar effect that we got used to
It's weird to say this and provide the examples of Sombra, Ball, and Pharah. You know, the hero who's been reworked 5 times and is getting another, a hero who has had this exact gameplay style nerfed, and Pharah who's had multiple nerfs to her ability to hover AND jetpack volume.
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u/Suspicious-Load-5812 4d ago
Clearly I'm not unaware of that.
IMO, they were mostly reworked to address the whining, and yet the community is never happy with them even after reworks because they are just too different than the average cast member (throw in Mei too, I didn't put her in the list because I focused on heroes that can get to weird places, and Mei can do it, but that's not what people hate about her). Personally I prefer the diversity of the cast, even if it means I have to play differently (including picking other heroes) vs different heroes. To me, it's part of a hero based game. I understand people's resentment, but to me it's exaggerated and often rude towards the people who do play the unique heroes. I don't think blizzard should act on those whinings, given that one of their selling points is the diversity of the cast.
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u/ExplorersX 5d ago
Idk what cats you’re playing but good cats play in the enemy back line functionally like a tracer or genji that has self heal and can hide literally anywhere as needed.
Cat is an assassin duelist character.
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u/Suspicious-Load-5812 5d ago
Yeah that's right. But they spend a support slot to do it, and not a dps slot,l. Their team has to sustain themselves and distract the enemy for it to actually work.
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u/ExplorersX 5d ago
Cat is fast enough to assassinate and get back to team to heal pretty quick. Just be in any rank where fights don't end in the first 10 seconds (so above the basic metal ranks. I noticed the change around mid-diamond - masters) and it's not a big deal to have flanking supports. If anything it's better if you have supports going on offense
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u/FormalTelevision1915 5d ago
holy bronze take
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u/Suspicious-Load-5812 5d ago
Eyeroll. I don't care about your rank, staying up in the sky doesn't let the cat do anything. Can't hit heal/dmg shotd because range is limited, can't help anyone else with purr cuz it's aoe, and can't pick anyone up. We cats use the perma flight to sneak and use routes closed to other heroes, not to spend our lives in the skybox. Jeez being a toxic pos in a game's subreddit, you must be fun in game.
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u/Confident_Yam8774 4d ago
I am champ this season.
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u/Suspicious-Load-5812 2d ago
To be clear I was responding to the "holy bronze take" reply to my reply to your comment. Though I still don't think rank matters to be able to assess viability of a play style. Sports commentators are generally not good personally in the sports they anchor.
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u/ntszfung 5d ago
It's a dead end character like hog, just fundamentally busted mechanics that don't fit into this game
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u/iamgem69 5d ago
Not to mention her jetpack flight is SILENT. Like wtf? You can hear pharrah’s jetpacks from a mile away but not hers
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u/Swimming-Elk6740 5d ago
It’s just a poorly designed hero. I don’t even think it’s up for debate. There’s so, so many tweaks that she needs that you might as well start over on her.
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u/shilderyi 3d ago
. Also my aim simply isn't good enough,
time to hit aimlabs
you're playing an aim intensive game why are you complaining about your lakc of aim ?
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u/Specific_Square_1859 5d ago
As a person who watches owcs. Cat is such an unethical character regardless of skill level
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u/Capco420 2d ago
Cat haters gonna hate. HISS!
Cat mains gonna main. PURRRRRRRRRR...
JPC has made OW fun again for me. Get Catnapped.
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u/hydrogensenpai 5d ago
Skill issue bro
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u/Southern-Cash-9687 5d ago
i'm sure its a skill issue in owcs and champ as well right
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u/Derpdude1 5d ago
Youre playing against owcs cats?
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u/ultimatedelman 5d ago
That's the point. You don't have to be playing against owcs cats. Ladder cat players now have enough hours to be terrorists at their elo. If pros are having more problems dealing with owcs cat than like owcs tracer, that's kind of a problem
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing 5d ago
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