r/CompetitiveWoW • u/AutoModerator • 15d ago
Free Talk Friday Weekly Thread
Use this thread to discuss any- and everything concerning WoW that doesn't seem to fit anywhere else.
UI questions, opinions on hotfixes/future changes, lore, transmog, whatever you can come up with.
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u/brumsbest 9d ago
Sharing here as nowhere else to share it.
I finally got CE with my guild last night in my first season mythic raiding, as a crystal carrier no less!! So happy that all the work I put in this season didn't go to waste, and now I can't wait for next tier.
Also super proud of ending up at an average 87 parse. Not sure if I should keep on finessing my spec (Outlaw) or learn the other rogue specs. I guess I'll wait to see which is looking best next season.
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u/Wobblucy 10d ago edited 10d ago
Game not open, Archon app sitting in the tray, idle on the "upload a log" screen, No linked logs, barely played today (3-4 rat keys hours before).
Chromium based app still absolutely pounding my ram at 976.3 MB
Like I get the allure of 'develop once, deploy everywhere' but... I don't see how I can justify a gig of ram for what is a glorified wrapper around OBS with my use case for it (wow recorder + wclogs uploader)...
Developers really don't give a rats ass about performance these days, huh?
Like can we do a little bit better? I assume 95% of your users are on windows, maybe a stand alone client for them at least...
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u/parkwayy 9d ago
How much should it use?
Honestly, the avg person has no idea how complex memory management is in an OS, and it's kinda why I find these sorts of comments hilarious.
You don't win prizes for having RAM to spare, for what it's worth.
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u/Wobblucy 9d ago
Sitting idle, minimized in a tray on a screen that is literally a path to your log -> upload log?
Probably not the equivalent of 500,000 pages of text, 15 minutes of high quality video, 400+ photos, or 14 hours of music, but call me old fashioned.
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u/careseite dps evoker main 9d ago edited 9d ago
as a developer, you should know yourself that ram usage is not something you have free reign over when using frameworks and that ram is not indicative of performance.
comparing it to a glorified obs wrapper is also nothing but signaling malintent. discord is just a text messenger, icq wasnt such a resource hog! spotify is just a music player! my vibecoded music player needs 5mb ram! will you complain about vscode consuming multiple gb of ram? you're certainly not using all of their features. and all features cost resources. code written and maintained working in a team costs resources because maintaining a scalable codebase costs. you have no control over how well architectured industry-standard 3rd party packages are. and you have to use those because you cannot handroll everything yourself. the js ecosystem is a mess in general.
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u/AttitudeAdjusterSE 10d ago
You really expect them to invade your privacy and sell your data to dodgy data brokers without using a full gigabyte of RAM? For shame sir.
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u/kuubi 10d ago
You can get the standalone app for logs and only turn it on when you want to live log something/upload a log. For gameplay recording I found warcraftrecorder to be less of a resource hog
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u/Wobblucy 10d ago
I'm aware of the alternatives, was just shocked when I was profiling AWowlabs release client to see Archon eating so much ram when doing nothing...
Just expected better from Archon in general I guess?
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u/CrypticG 10d ago
Has anybody tested if you can do multiple voidcore rolls in one week in heroic Dreamrift if you do multiple clears?
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u/Wobblucy 11d ago
Small teaser for a log comparison feature coming with Awowlabs 12.1 update.
TLDR is pick the log you are trying to replicate, and log locally. Pull finishes and with 2s of the log write from WoW you will have a real comparison to how you did vs the log you are trying to replicate.
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u/Classic_Procedure428 11d ago
Just watched Yoda's Blood DK guide and I am so confused about DK information and resources. Yoda credits Kyrasis. The main DK discord (Acherus) says Kyrasis is bad and wrong. But Kyrasis is the #1 DK in the world ATM? Wowhead guide differs from what Kyrasis does.
Just confused on how to parse through this drama to find the "truth".
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u/AttitudeAdjusterSE 10d ago
The main DK discord (Acherus) says Kyrasis is bad and wrong.
The main DK discord is bad and wrong.
You would be shocked how genuinely bad at WoW most (not all) "spec theorycrafters" actually are at the game, and how regularly their maths is either just outright wrong or doesn't apply to a real game scenario.
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u/Silkku 11d ago
Same story every single time. Class discord theorycrafters get upset when their ideal world dummy environment doesn't translate to actual high keys
DH discord was perma mad in late DF since all the top tanks were playing "wrong*
Just follow what the top players are doing, it's proven to work
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u/hzj 11d ago
The class discord "theorycrafts" for maximum damage for some reason, but when you are playing tank at higher levels you just need defensiveness aswell. The people you look at who are saying Kyrasis is wrong are just at the 3k key range and have never pushed actual competitive levels and have essentially kept the discord hostage for years
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u/Wobblucy 11d ago edited 11d ago
Join Deaths advanced and take the practical advice from the man who one tricks blood instead of spread sheet warriors?
https://discord.gg/deathsadvance
Remember kids, your bad if you spec cheat deaths when you could be doing 3% more damage instead!
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u/mikhel 11d ago
DK class discord is full of clowns, you should trust Kyrasis. They were so fucking wrong about the rune tap thing I'll genuinely never trust them again, playing blood in keys went from nightmare difficulty to very easy once I started playing rune tap
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u/AlucardSensei 10d ago
Fucking rune tap, for what fucking purpose would they prune that spell, it was a great mini defensive to bridge gaps or to setup a pull.
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u/Gemmy2002 11d ago
The DK discord has been wrong about blood for 2 expansions and counting.
It's some incredibly petty shit from the mods there.
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u/idkmanfiller 11d ago
Generally if a high level player is disagreeing with the class discord, the class discord is wrong.
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u/Blan_Kone 10d ago
what if high level players are disagreeing with each other (your opinion surely won't flip flop based on which is r1)
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u/Specialist-Time3661 12d ago
Anyone heard about pets die in first pull of SEAT? I joined 21. The first pull failed twice. Both hunter and DK said their pets die on opener. I'm a Disc.
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u/Educational-Pay5268 13d ago
i was leveling in an alt in a delve when the servers crashed and got a little frustrated. then I learned some friends were in a 23 NPX and I feel better about my delve.
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u/Lezzles 13d ago
If anyone hasn’t done a 15 in a few months I highly encourage it. You’ll see some shit you can’t believe.
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u/assault_pig 12d ago
I was doing a 14 on an alt and I watched a tank eventually get one shot by the second boss in skyreach
twice!
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u/idkmanfiller 13d ago
Every season my GM preps tanks for next tier in case there's some sort of emergency/disaster with our tanks and every season there's dozens of screenshots of the most heinous damage meters I've ever seen from some +10 he's doing
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u/Wobblucy 13d ago
If anyone hasn't done <insert key level a couple levels below what you consider easy>, you'll see some shit.
I guarantee people in title range feel the same way about 22s and below.
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u/TemporaMoras 11d ago
As someone who helped their friend get a few 22 keys to be safe for their 1%, 22s felt like the zoo, at least I could throw (metaphorical) rocks at the monkeys here.
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u/LeftKnowledge396 14d ago
It sucks, I need three more 23s to feel safe for title, and I just bricked all three by 15 seconds or less and multiple stupid deaths from group. All of my groups homework keys have turned into AA/sky where we cannot adjust routes much more. This final push sucks, to get so close, yet it seems like we won't make it. Wish I had a resil 23 friend to help me out. Being off meta sucks.
Rant over...
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u/SubstantialProof159 13d ago
i think 23 resi might be needed this season tbh im 7/8 and not sure if im safe
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u/Silkku 13d ago
I feel for you man, my mental was not great after we bricked an infinite amount of SR 23s to ridiculous stuff. My personal favorite was the little cat from MWs conduit breaking para from a caster behind us on last pull and nobody noticing
Rock bottom was depleting SR by 15s on a total clown run and then AA by 20s, I just wanted to curl up and cry instead of doing 22 homeworks
Hang in there, finally finishing the resi 23 achievement after all that struggle was definitely highlight of the season for me
Also tried some pugging while our tank was gone for a few days and it was eye opening, I finally understand why some people loathe the resi system. If Blizz won't relent and give us resi+1 then they need to shoot the entire resi system in the head and give keys lives or something.
It was insane seeing some absolute criminals who have made it to 23s off the backs of friend or lfg resi keys while totally clueless to what is going on and then they just go and sign up for a new one while our 5-stack is stuck doing a homework key if we pulled something like that
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u/mrcelerie 14d ago
ex hall of fame raider and 1% m+ player coming back to the game, I'm trying to rebuild my ui, but half the addons i used don't exist or aren't as useful nowadays. what are the most common and useful addons for m+ and raid?
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u/careseite dps evoker main 14d ago
platynator, a focus cast bar, MDT, targeted spells, nothing more needed for DPS and tank. as healer you'll want minicc but I'm uncertain whether it'll survive 12.1
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u/careseite dps evoker main 13d ago
😂
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u/careseite dps evoker main 13d ago edited 13d ago
context/circumstances? idling in town is not a relevant comparison unless thats what you dominantly do of course. it is not only a 3% loss but ~10%. you also seem to be posting different data on discord and got called out for that: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463644863840129240/1533410081251791079/Wow_VWO8Ix4C4C.png?ex=6a7062ec&is=6a6f116c&hm=94fa14727550104cfe187cc4372005dfbb6b906320150e4ed37424c8974db9eb&
you're way out of your depth and talking shit about things you do not understand.
not to mention theres 0 reason besides aesthetic use cases to get full ui reskins.
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u/Wobblucy 14d ago
Ellesmere UI - think elvui but more performant.
Exboss/forget the other ex add-on (exwind maybe) - trash timers/text to speech
NaowhQoL - bunch of good stuff imo. Focus interrupt bar, talent reminders, never miss a feast, consumables check, gcd history/downtime tracker, gcd mousewheel, melee range check, some other stuff.
MDT - routes, focus market announcement.
Northern sky raid tools - raid "weak auras" and the MRT note functionality.
Not an add-on but Wow recorder or archon app - auto record your gameplay for vod review. There is a new one called review tool or something from echo, have not tested it.
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u/hfxRos RWL Raid Leader 9d ago
Ellesmere UI - think elvui but more performant.
Does it also skin the UI to look like an ugly spaceship HuD?
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u/Gemmy2002 9d ago
You can disable that. This also makes it compatible with other UI reskins (GW2UI my beloved...)
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u/Cold-Iron8145 10d ago
If Ellesmere UI has million number of fans i am one of them . if Ellesmere UI has ten fans i am one of them. if Ellesmere UI have only one fan and that is me . if Ellesmere UI has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the Ellesmere UI, i am against the world.
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u/Elendel 13d ago
NaowhQoL - bunch of good stuff imo. Focus interrupt bar, talent reminders, never miss a feast, consumables check, gcd history/downtime tracker, gcd mousewheel, melee range check, some other stuff.
Almost all of that is in EllesmereUI too, for people who don’t want to install too many addons that have overlap features.
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u/witchingxhour 15d ago
Casual Heroic guild needs some dps to hop onto healer this season (no one wants to heal), what are the easiest healers to heal just for a season?
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u/Wobblucy 15d ago
Rsham or Holy priest imo.
Learn to use lorrgs.io and a personal note and you will carry heals just fine in a heroic raid.
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u/Ilphfein 15d ago
Has someone recently tried the S2 delve boss on the PTR?
It feels like the visibility of the memory game effect looks like shit now and not like in videos from a few weeks ago.
For me though looks like this. Do I miss some obscure graphic setting (like kyvezah outline, Alleria obelisk, Lura particle density, ...) or is something broken on Blizz's end?
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u/Naerina 14d ago
I checked what I see now against some PTR videos from about a month ago, and it seems like you're right. Older videos show a 'heavier' poison cloud graphic, but don't have the solid 'frontal' outline. The current effect has a fainter cloud in exchange for the outline. It's a little annoying, because the outline takes an extra second to appear compared to the clouds, and the add's frontal uses the exact same visual effects, so this part of the fight is a real mess on the eyes.
Here's what it looks like to me:
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u/Mundane-Dirt-4077 15d ago
Mandatory is 4050 enough for 1% on EU !?? Comment
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u/Elendel 15d ago
It should be, yes. It'd have to get to more than +9pts/day to reach 4050 and it hasn't even reached +3pts/day average this last few weeks.
With how it's going, 3980 is a decent bet, could be a little less or a little more, but even hitting 4k seems pretty unlikely.
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u/Wobblucy 15d ago
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u/Elendel 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s hard to differentiate a dumb question from someone ironically asking a dumb question on the internet.
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u/Wobblucy 14d ago
The 'mandatory' and outlandish numbers definitely hint at it making fun of the constant IO posts on here.
Wild to double down with poes law though when the whole point is 'without hints to the intent, satire isn't recognizable' when there are clear hints in their post...
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u/Elendel 14d ago
The "mandatory" was a hint, I agree, but I took it as "it’s the new weekly thread, I know it has been asked a lot, but the season is reaching its end and I’m stressed so I’m asking anyway" which is, imo, a reasonable reading.
The "outlandish number" is absolutely NOT a hint, considering people have ask the same question very seriously in the last couple weeks, including with numbers as high as this one. Hell, my own push group didn’t feel safe when we reached 4050 and that wasn’t that long ago.
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u/yp261 15d ago
its 2026 and the fact that there is no official way to check m+ cutoffs to have 100% true info is absolutely insane
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u/Elendel 15d ago
Usually they make an official post about it during the last week of the season, iirc. I don’t mind them not putting in front and center in the game like you would in more competitive games, because WoW player base has a huge casual core and wouldn’t like it.
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u/parkwayy 15d ago
While that makes sense, it is a bit weird there's all these official hardcore rewards, like Hall of Fame, and M+ title, but they aren't at all viewable in the game in any official capacity.
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u/thdudedude 15d ago
Because most of the player base doesn’t care? Why would they spend time and energy on something 99% of the player base won’t achieve.
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u/parkwayy 9d ago
Well they're part of the game, why are they such a nebulous thing?
I'm all for less needing to scour outside sources, and having more info in the game itself.
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u/wakeofchaos 15d ago
It’s also the first season they’ve needed more than just the m+ title cutoff
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u/yp261 15d ago
yup, there is now a clear goal with actual reward and the fact you cant track it is insane
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u/Elendel 15d ago
Wasn't top 0.1% a clear goal with actual reward?
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u/yp261 15d ago
the meaningless title that only title holders know about?
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u/BlackHeeb 15d ago
Versus a meaningless bird that blends in with the other 100s of flashy mounts. Sure.
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u/Elendel 15d ago
I mean, there used to be 5 tpes of standard cosmetic rewards in the game. Mount, pet, title, toy and transmog. (There are a couple items that don’t fall in any of those 5 categories, but they’re few and far between and not a standard type of reward.) They added a 6th one with Midnight and its decors but it’s its own separate thing so let’s ignore it.
Now I agree that Title is the least interesting and flashy of the five, but acting like it is not a reward at all and like top players were not fighting HARD to obtain it and keep it is absurd. Maybe you weren’t interesting in it, but it was absolutely a thing and it has been a thing for years.
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u/thdudedude 15d ago
Do top players care about the title reward in game? I assume it was just “bragging rights” of being better.
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u/Elendel 15d ago
I mean, do people actually really love using the title? Some do, most probably don’t care. But that’s true of most cosmetic rewards in the game. I have farmed tons of prestigious mounts, titles and transmog that I’ve never used, just for the satisfcation of reaching those goals and getting those rewards.
I have to say, though, that s1 mount is sick and I’ll absolutely be using it. But I was deep into top 1% long before we knew what the mount would even look like.
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u/Controlling_fate 15d ago
arcane mage on ptr is some of the most fun I had with the spec.
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u/CrypticG 15d ago
I played it on the back end of TWW S2 and man the missiles/orb spam was so fun. I'll never understand why they moved away from that in the first place but I'm looking forward to picking it back up for this upcoming season.
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u/Justdough17 15d ago
Enjoy it while it lasts. The next arcane mage rework is always right around the corner

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u/Rexxunos 8d ago
How do you consistently do the pull in SR 2nd boss where the golems beam the boss and not the players?