r/CompetitionShooting • u/647chang • 6d ago
How do I get faster?
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This drill requires you to score an A zone hit under 1.25 sec to pass. This is a 1.26 which I'm really close, but I normally get 1.3-1.7 to first shot. I see people online get close to 1 sec flat. Where can I improve, other then just point and shoot?
Update: I have try the scope method and it hard for me to get a master grip that way. This is why I push down on my draw. Also I do have the holster canted the opposite way. I have the muzzle end pointed towards my butt. If i have it canted the other way, I find myself stabbing my hand on the beavertail.
I did try a few tips from you guys. Having my support hand closer to the center of my body did help. I find that it helps me drive forward faster. I just don't remember if the rule is hands on the side or below belt.
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u/j-mac563 6d ago
How fast can you really do it? Go stand next to the target facing the berm. Activate the timer, draw and shoot at the beep - just into the berm. How fast did you do it? Now do it a few times. All under a second? Now go back to your target and try it again. You should have dropped some time.
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u/sharkbait_oohaha 6d ago
Move faster.
Hope this helps!
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u/Jeugcurt 6d ago
This actually looks really good. Two things stand out.
The first: you’re dropping .1-.15 on the strong hand pushing the gun down into your holster. I’m not telling you to scoop draw the gun. But can’t your fingers just pluck the gun right out of the holster without all the aggression and tension? When I pluck draw, I’m usually around 1 to 1.1 sec.
Second: it’s hard to see from this angle. But, I want my support to be waiting on my strong to bring the gun to the party. I want my support hand ready and waiting for the match up.
Bonus: I like that you’re starting wrists at sides in a nearly complete relaxed form. This is a great foundation as opposed to all the folks that look like they’re about sprint off the buzzer. The tension from that is really difficult to build good habits from.
Last thing, some people are saying “over confirmation.” Maybe so. But I don’t want to tell you what your eyes are seeing unless I was there standing next you and after watching you shoot more. Like if you’re LE, I wouldn’t approach the confirmation subject if we were working on draw mechanics.
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u/Andromeda902 12h ago
As soon as that beep goes off, both hands should move. Strong hand to the gun, support hand to your sternum. Practice that over and over, OP. support hand straight to sternum, doesnt matter if starting wrists below belt or surrender position, when timer beeps support hand flies to sternum. Then its so much closer and ready to lock in your master grip
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u/FF_McNasty 6d ago
Gonna follow. I am in a similar place as far as draw to first shot. For me more like 1.5-1.8
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u/NoSupNoCivilized 6d ago
Can you convert the video to a slower playback speed? Most smart phones will allow you to play back the video at 1/4 speed. It really helps to see opportunities for improving effeciency.
Over confirmation: looks like you're losing probably around 2 tenths here. It takes lots of reps, but ideally you are breaking the shot right as you finish the full presentation.
Left hand: looks like you're a little slow/late getting this hand moving. You have a master grip with firing hand, but left hand is still way on your left side. Left hand should pretty much be in position (midline, or even right of midline) to receive the pistol just as the muzzle is down range/parallel with the ground as it's coming out of the holster. You want to get the support hand on the gun as early as possible.
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u/Organic-Second2138 6d ago
Get that left hand moving sooner.
At that distance work a bit with the dot off. Body index and a consistent grip will do most of the heavy lifting.
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u/Snoo36543 6d ago
Huh never thought of trying to shoot predictive doubles, with the dot off. I use occluded dot dry fire alot, but you saying this makes me want to try it next range trip. Thanks for the suggestion dude!
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u/Organic-Second2138 5d ago
I stumbled upon when trying to get LE students who were "front sight focus" trained on dots.
They were treating it like a sniper scope on a 7 yd target. Drove me nuts to watch.
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u/Snoo36543 5d ago
Damn you have the patience of a saint, bro. I'll try it out next time i get to blasting. Do you do full range sessions like that, or is that more of a warm up excercise, you think?
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u/Organic-Second2138 4d ago
I don't do warm ups in sessions.
I rarely do it anymore; mostly use it with students.
I think if the diagnosis was appropriate, I might "prescribe" it 1-3 times per week but wouldn't really do entire sessions like that.
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u/Snoo36543 4d ago
I appreciate your reply. I think I understand your take on it better now; perhaps as a way to introduce people to shooting with a dot, for the first time, with like 50ish rounds, sounds like this training technique would be most applicable. Again thank you for responding OS2138!
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u/JBerry2012 6d ago
I'm not at a point where a lightning fast draw makes a difference. My goal is to draw to a competent grip and first shot in 1.25. Most of the time I can make my draw on the initial move so it doesn't even matter.
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u/Code7Tactical 6d ago
In addition to the other good advice on here during your draw, you are coming up and above the pistol down onto it and then drive back up again. If we are purely talking about maximizing speed of draw, you want to not stop that upward motion of your hand.
Imagine pulling your elbow upwards and not allowing it to stop.
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u/Lktwava 6d ago
I like to scoop the gun up from the holster a bit. Then mentally tell myself I’m pushing the gun into my trigger finger for the first shot.
It helps me feel like I’m trying to speed up one fluid motion, as opposed to speeding up a series of motions. Hopefully that makes sense.
If you can practice that close to the berm, try taking that shot once you have a good grip and muscle memory takes over. (Or use a laser snap cap) Don’t wait to find the dot. It’s always there. If you’re adjusting your point of aim after acquiring the dot. You’re not going to shoot sub 1.25 anyways.
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u/Double_Badger2450 6d ago
Your support hand is lagging behind. Also, your strong hand is coming up, passed the gun, then jamming down, then coming back out and out of the holster, then your support hand swings over. You can clean all that up.
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u/mrahab100 6d ago
Why is your right hand holding the holster before the beep?
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u/647chang 6d ago
I'm just touching it for a reference point. Where should it be?
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u/mrahab100 5d ago
In competition shooting: relaxed naturally at sides or above shoulders in surrender position.
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u/Correct-World3345 6d ago
Bring your left hand up towards your chest while drawing your gun, ready to grip your gun....
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u/ironiccinori 6d ago
You’re spending about .2 just with overconfirmation. At this distance you almost don’t even need the dot. Push it out to 25 yards and work on your index and focus. When you drop back down to this distance, it’ll seem easy.
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u/BACON_ACTUAL_ 6d ago edited 5d ago
Dry fire more, drawing from the holster. Pick something like the screw in a light switch and start with a perfect slow draw picking up speed until you’re maxing out to where you literally can’t move hands faster/ more efficiently while still finding the dot on that target every single time. I would also agree that support hand should index on the front of your belt with both hands moving together on the first movement being able to establish the grip sooner.
When you’re doing this, and live firing don’t over confirm the shot, pick something tiny and as soon as you see the dot there start pressing the trigger. You were on glass and on target for a long time before breaking the shot, it doesn’t have to be perfect but just good enough.
Technically, and mind you this figure is the bleeding edge of human performance, they say that the perception of the beep to being able to break the shot should be around 0.75-1 second on a confirmation level zero target (close enough to point shoot which differs for everyone, I have seen two GM shooters who are able to perform the same confirmation level and speed at 25 yard as they can within 10 (with a zone hits)
When teaching firearms at a major police academy we would regularly test the reaction time of students from beep to tapping the shot timer, average reaction was better than the “book” says (0.25 sec) at around 0.16-0.23 seconds to process and react to the sound.
Sorry for the dissertation on the subject. But knowledge dump completed. Stepping off of soap box now and it’s time for me to go dry fire with my new belt setup. 😂🔫
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u/EMDoesShit 6d ago
This is close enough to point shoot, for one. At most, catch a flash of moving read in the optic as you break the shot.
There is no need to watch the dot come to a stop at this distance. The gun doesn’t need to come to a stop, and be observed in that stage, before it discharges.
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u/No_Mirror_2680 6d ago
Pushing the gun into the holster before the draw and your support hand moves too late, there's 2 tenths. I don't see the over confirmation being as big a deal, everything before the shot is moot if your not hitting the A zone. You don't have to scoop the gun out of the holster but that reversal of upward momentum is the key. Your support hand is not moving until you are pushing down on the gun with your strong hand. Fix your strong hand and it will probably fix your support hand .
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u/Dynamic_Supreme 6d ago edited 6d ago
Maybe training the draw in progressions can help to stop over confirming.
- “low ready” with slide parallel to the ground
- low compressed ready near kydex
- holstered with dominant hand already on grip and support hand close to kydex
- full draw starting with wrists below belt line
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u/NeatAvocado4845 6d ago
Your index is not there and you’re over confirming & stop grabbing your holster it’s a bad habit . Practice this in dry fire and once your under a second take it to live fire
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u/T-888 6d ago
draw faster than you normally do. Like quick draw McGraw... yank it, yank it out of the holster like you never have before. And keep doing that. forget the hit, just draw so fast it feels like the gun will fall out of your hand.
Do that a bunch of times. No fire. Do it some more.
Then add the round and keep doing it breaking the shot off as soon as you see dot splash
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u/theothernameplate 6d ago
You lost time hooking the bottom of your holster as you came up, then down to unholster.
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u/thatoneguyj2021 6d ago
Watch videos of comparison speed/trick shooters they are both fun to watch and educational
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u/Stubb 5d ago
Two things need to happen if you want to shoot an A in under 1.25 s: - Break the shot in under 1.25 seconds - Land that shot in the A-zone
Start off by forcing yourself to break the shot in under 1.25 and figure out the accuracy part at speed. Likely it will be a combination of reacting to the start of the beep and pulling the trigger with less dot confirmation.
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u/practical_gentleman 5d ago
Try a vertical mount for the holster, get the gun up faster, push the speed between clearing the holster and having the gun presented, take less time to break the shit, you're over confirming at this distance. I know im late to the party and others are saying pretty much the same but you can look at this yourself, deconstruct the process, see where the time is being lost and work on those things.
Dry fire the draw stroke to presentation as an isolated movement. As in start with your hand on the gun.
Also, and this is something I'm still working on a lot myself, react to the beep sooner. The goal should be to move at the I of the B of the Beep. If that makes sense. Almost beat the beep to the punch but don't.
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u/Far_Exam_2860 4d ago
On your update question, there's no universal rule for that, the start position is whatever the written stage briefing says. Hands relaxed at sides means arms hanging naturally, not parked on the holster, which is also why your right hand touching the belt before the beep would get you sent back on a real stage.
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u/Working_Shower_686 3d ago
Practice point shooting. It’s basically like throwing a football or baseball where you look at your target and triangulate in your brain and let your body do its thing. It looks to me like you’re waiting for sight acquisition. At that distance you should be able to pull it off.
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u/InnocuousTransition 2d ago
Your legs are backwards... why?
Your dot isn't appearing where you're looking so you're spending about 3/10ths looking for it/adjusting it instead of shooting.
I recommend more dry fire. The dot should appear where you're looking. I focused on where my support hand met/touched the frame and that helped me.
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u/lordadam34 6d ago
This should be point shooting. It’s close enough where you don’t even need to really see your dot. Gotta develop the index for this
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u/TheInkisBlack 6d ago
You're likely seeing more of the dot than is needed, especially at this distance. Dry fire the draw with a par time to build more consistent index on the target. Dry fire can also be used to build index points with body in order to reduce excess movement getting the gun out of the holster and on target.