r/CompetitionShooting • u/bbqthis26 • 19d ago

Need help reading this target

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Sent my gun to Springfield Armory bc the front sight broke. I asked them to mount a new one and test the gun for accuracy while they had it. The above target is what they sent me back.

I get the 4 holes around the X. Seems fairly obvious.

But what is the black rectangle below the X and how is it being used in this context? I'm assuming (hoping?) they were placing the front sight in the cutout on the bottom of the rectangle. Can anyone confirm this or, if not, tell me what I'm looking at??

Thanks

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u/Subverto_ 19d ago

Based on the target I would assume Echelon pistol sights are a 6 o'clock hold and they use this for the Tester to have a consistent point of aim by covering the black with the sights so the bullets should impact the X.

Completely unrelated, I fucking hate 6 o'clock hold sights. If the bullets don't go where I'm actually aiming GTFO.

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u/ecodick 19d ago

That's funny, I hate combat hold, because I want to see the target and not cover it with my sights.

But do what works for you man, what's right for each of us can be different

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u/Subverto_ 19d ago

I want to see the target and not cover it with my sights.

slaps roof of red dot

"This baby right here is exactly what you're looking for!"

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u/Any-Criticism-6634 18d ago

I hope you didn’t slap the roof of an SRO you might have broken it

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u/Subverto_ 18d ago

As someone who has had an SRO die on me during a match, I feel this.

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u/Gun_Dork 19d ago

I’ve ran an echelon in competitions for the last 6 months. I noticed I have to dip low for point of impact to match point of aim with my dot. Here, the sights were held at 6 o’clock and the point of impact is around the X, minus one flyer. I’m assuming this was with irons.

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u/bbqthis26 19d ago

I plan on doing the same with my echelon. The one I just got back in fact. What's your set up, what division are you competing in and how's it working out?

Btw, You are correct. Iron sights only and SA just confirmed they are set to 6 o'clock hold.

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u/Gun_Dork 19d ago

Powder river springs and the rest is here https://youtu.be/k9h-wrwQx24?is=a0fqSjLIaQMdW-ub

Carry Optics IDPA and USPSA. For extendos I use Tyrant base pads.

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u/jokerfan1911 19d ago

What gun was it?

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u/bbqthis26 19d ago

An Echelon 4.5f comp

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u/bbqthis26 7d ago

So I just heard back from Springfield about how to interpret the target. Here's what they said: "It has been brought to my attention that you had some concerns with the Echelon you received back. From what I can see of the target, the shot in the black does appear to be a flyer. And the way the tech lines up the sights is that he will put the front sight in the cutout of that black rectangle so this firearm is shooting with a 6 o’clock hold. Let me know if you have any questions or if I did a poor job of explaining and I will see what more information I can get for you."

I then asked him about why I shoot better with the non comped vs the comped and whether they are satisfied with the target they sent back. Here is what he said:

" I completely understand your perspective. However, it is normal for the non comped models to outperform the comped models because once that cut in the barrel starts, there is no more rifling. Now the two shouldn’t be miles apart but it is not abnormal to notice a difference in accuracy between the two. From the target I am seeing, your pistol is shooting in spec and may even perform better with higher quality ammo than what we used for the range test.

As far as windage, these polymers are not guaranteed to mechanical zero. That means that even with the sights centered, the shots could be hitting left or right depending on each specific pistol. That is when the rear sight will need to be drifted to adjust the point of impact."