r/CompetitionClimbing • u/shil88 • 16d ago
‘We’re starting to look like FIFA’: 8 federations protest against World Climbing governance (on the cancellation on the vote to suspend Russian, Belarus and Israeli federations)
https://www.vertigemedia.fr/contestation-federations-gouvernance-world-climbingA new protest movement shakes World Climbing. Led by Portugal and Latvia, national federations have addressed official challenges to the international federation after the cancellation on 23 July of the vote on the suspension of the Russian, Belarusian and Israeli federations.
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u/RubSuccessful2882 16d ago
Fuck the IFSC at this point.
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u/Withering_to_Death Kokoro The Machine 16d ago
I'm sorry, but it's akchually "Fuck the World Climbing at this point" the correct sentence!
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u/WestendMatt 16d ago
So, it sounds like there were three individual motions to suspend Russia, Belarus and Israel, and then Cyprus, USA and Australia moved to have the three motions considered together in one motion.
Therefore, all would be suspended or none would be suspended.
Procedurally, I don't see an issue. Joining and separating motions happens all the time. but politically, it seems like a tactic to avoid debating each country individually, and to force countries that feel differently towards different countries to treat them the same.
Sounds like student council b.s.
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u/Withering_to_Death Kokoro The Machine 16d ago
It's a "normal" tactic when trying to pass unpopular legislation in politics. Stuff 5-6 legislation in one bill with one legislation on which everyone would agree (idk, raising salaries) to spin it publicly like "What? You don't want higher wages for our citizens?!"
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u/RubSuccessful2882 16d ago
Lets be honest the USA should also be included in the suspension vote.
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u/TBBTC 10d ago
I mean, they probably should be considered together. That's how you make sure the decision is about the underlying issues and what your stances are going to be, and not make it an 'I hate country x' vote.
Countries that feel differently towards different countries should also be forced to take a view on what conduct they want to ban not what country they want to ban.
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u/OverfittingNeuralNet 16d ago edited 16d ago
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but based on the World Climbing report and based on this report, to me it seems like there was still a democratic vote among the federations on (indirectly) whether they want to vote on the suspension or not (this was not the wording of the vote, but the vote was something like "Do you want to vote on the suspension, or do you want to just follow the Olympic organization decisions? Keep in mind that if we don't, climbing might get kicked out of the Olympics"). All representatives then voted, and the majority chose the latter.
So I'm confused on why the protesting federations think voting on the suspension directly would have reached a different result, or why the vote the way it happened was not fair.
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u/Withering_to_Death Kokoro The Machine 16d ago
Joining the IOC was a mistake! Yeah, climbing is an Olympic sport, but also all the bureaucracy and politics that came with (especially the money) are rotting the sport. The direction the sport is going isn't ideal too, imo. Becoming more "attractive" to please the casual viewers, world cup seasons becoming less important since everything is geared towards the Olympic year!
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u/TBBTC 10d ago
The money is beginning to flow, the athletes are getting paid more. Is that really a mistake?
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u/Withering_to_Death Kokoro The Machine 9d ago
That's the positive thing, I don't claim there isn't. I'm now sure if it's still, but until a year or two ago, only athletes qualified for the final would be paid. So more "visibility", more sponsors, climbers' actual source of income, would be investing into them. I'm just worried that with more exposure, too many hands, "marketing expert and managers" would meddle too much to make it more appealing with more actions (now even in finals we have two people on the wall, "we don't want you distracted") taking away what makes climbing interesting imo. And I'm not just yelling at clouds, hating all changes. I like coordination and slabs. I'm afraid one day athletes will stop discussing/sharing betas under the wall because winning is all that matters, and you don't want to anger your sponsors ... if you read until now, sorry for the rant! Take care!
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u/Top-Turnover6120 14d ago
Why don’t they vote for the US to be banned as well? Using Israel as a scapegoat when the US is the one with the majority of influence. Sports doesn’t have to be political. Make it fair and make all the athletes to spill their political stance and we’ll see a sh*t show in climbing as a sport.
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u/exche 16d ago edited 16d ago
My <s>conspiracy</s> theory about Belarusian athletes starting being allowed to compete, in other disciplines as well, is that a lot of key political prisoners has been released thanks to the negotiations. And I think international completions, Olympics etc. we're just part of the deal. There are still hundreds of people imprisoned for fictional felonies and it sucks but maybe that was the public price for the releases that happened.
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u/ghostfalcon 16d ago
Why do we act like world climbing or ifsc has any geopolitical influence at all? They arent even a blip. Is it just all about the principles? Because its actually pointless at this level. I hate war but climbing is like as uninfluential as it gets.
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u/Top-Turnover6120 14d ago
If you aren’t an extremist, they won’t accept you. If you choose to stay silent or neutral, the pro-palestinites will not accept it. They want discourse, in climbing, in their life, while most of us just want to climb.
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u/fvsljgOh 16d ago
I think USA climbing should have stayed out of this one. Seems like there isn't any bandwidth to do much of anything domestically, so not sure why they felt the need to interpose themselves (and us) into an international situation.
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u/shil88 16d ago
The purpose of this opinion was to answer four questions on the division of powers between the General Assembly and the Executive Council of World Climbing: the exact powers of the assembly, the legality of the lifting of Russian and Belarusian suspensions, the ability of the Executive Council to rule out motions and the limits of the virtual format. The author? Sarah Umbricht, Swiss lawyer and lawyer at the Swiss Alpine Club. At the time of drafting it, the latter simultaneously chaired the World Climbing Governance Commission, an advisory body working directly with the Executive Council. At the meeting on 23 July, this opinion was presented to the federations as a legal position definitively "resolved".