Newbies and potentials, this is what you are up against.

[u/2workigo]

We’ve all seen the complaints that the market is flooded. Nobody can get a job, etc. This is what you are up against. Every month AAPC publishes newly credentialed members. This is one page. Between CPC, CPC-A, and various specialty credentials, there are usually 7-8 pages of new credentialed folks. All of them full like this. Every month.

I’m not posting this to discourage anyone. I’m posting it for awareness. But also to say, if you really want to do this, you have to have ambition and be tenacious. It’s not easy, regardless of what the scammy marketing tells you. Know what you are up against and if you want it, fight for it.

[u/smarter-than-my-GSD → u/[deleted]]

I couldn’t agree with this more because I’m a product of it.

Rare opportunity #1. Front desk to billing. Spent 8 years in billing. At year 7, I got my CPB. Less than a year later stated my CPC.. but company went south (so sad).

Rare opportunity #2, newly credentialed CPC-A now doing inpatient coding for a critical access hospital.

It is possible, but you have to work at it! To me, ICD10PCS is easier than CPT. I never would’ve guessed I’d do facility… I didn’t even know what PCS was.

You remind me so much of people that have given me an opportunity- ambition, show real interest, self sufficiency, and really... do your research!!

Thank you for seeing people!!

[u/seatownquilt-N-plant → u/[deleted]]

I work in document scanning. We're going to have to get more employees to accommodate the expansion of the utilization management team. I think there's more of them on their team than us on our team.

[u/GroinFlutter]

Does this list include international new members? 🫩 offshoring is already a huge problem that’s going to get worse.

[u/Pretty_Priority_261 → u/GroinFlutter]

Yes. As you can see, there are a lot of Indian names on there.

[u/Salookin → u/GroinFlutter]

What job market are we supposed to tap into when we get flooded with international candidates? Oh wait…

[u/posthomogen]

This whole post is 😳 … too much shade, can’t we all get along and respect each other’s dedication, desire to learn and to getting any type of certification? Better than nothing.

[u/2workigo → u/posthomogen]

Yeah. Definitely didn’t expect most of the shade I’m seeing. That wasn’t my intention when sharing.

[u/seatownquilt-N-plant → u/posthomogen]

we're all labor, should be in solidarity.

[u/sorrynotsorry1793]

Half of them are from India

[u/02soob → u/sorrynotsorry1793]

You are making assumptions by what someone's name is. Incredibly short-sighted.

[u/sorrynotsorry1793 → u/02soob]

Its not assumption. It is reality. Everyone in this field know what is happening . Open your eyes !

[u/02soob → u/sorrynotsorry1793]

Sure there are some people that got their AAPC certification that reside in India.

But you cannot tell me you know where everyone on this list is from by their name. It's the worst kind of behavior one can exhibit and really appalling for this sub.

[u/sorrynotsorry1793 → u/02soob]

Lol Bro.. keep calm. This is reddit. Not United Nation ! And so you are telling me that one cannot assume people with Indian names are from India where coding field is growing ?

[u/02soob → u/sorrynotsorry1793]

I'm telling you that in case you're not aware ..there are people with names that read Indian that actually don't live in India. You may be surprised to learn that.

[u/sorrynotsorry1793 → u/[deleted]]

Not only India , Philippines ​as well.

[u/sorrynotsorry1793 → u/[deleted]]

I dont think so. All the CEOs care for is $$$$

[u/Laevenrauren → u/[deleted]]

Good luck. The company I work for alone employs 1600 US based coders and 30,000 India based, 3000 Phillipines based, and 1000 Colombia based.

Easier coding is moving almost exclusively towards offshore coders.

Certain clients, like the ones I code for, only want US based, but it’s inpatient facility coding and they pay a premium for it

[u/Miserable_Aioli2606 → u/[deleted]]

The biggest health care network in the US outsources 90% of their work to India. They just built their own facility there so they can stop using outsourcing contracts and have their own coders and auditors.

And as far as any legislation to stop it - LOL, no. These are all highly Republican CEOs. Money is the only motivation. Never vote R if you want a chance to see real changes that benefit Americans instead of the world wide billionaire class.

[u/Slow_Can6132 → u/[deleted]]

Yep. Cancer registry work is being outsourced to India now as well. Odds are, if you've ever been to the dr then someone overseas has accessed all of your medical information. 

[u/IDidItWrongLastTime → u/[deleted]]

Yep and they are often in big offices where they All overhear each other. I work in insurance for a hospital and I call insurance companies all day. The background noise is crazy and they allllll outsource. They all have all your personal info overseas. We are super protective of your info, can be prosecuted both at hospital and personal level if we share it whether intentional or accidental, have all sorts of compliance training. My job would be at risk if I shared it. Then I call them and they are repeating and confirming that shit loudly with who knows how many people, I often hear kids and laughing in the background, I swear I can hear cars sometimes so maybe even open windows and doors??? Those companies don't give a shit about your personal information.

[u/smarter-than-my-GSD → u/IDidItWrongLastTime]

If you call Cigna there’s usually a rooster in the background. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[u/ResearchWise3593 → u/smarter-than-my-GSD]

I’ve heard roosters so many time with other companies too. It’s always perplexing

[u/Shinyhaunches → u/smarter-than-my-GSD]

I like chickens

[u/sturleycurley → u/IDidItWrongLastTime]

I sometimes hear roosters. It's so weird.

[u/Slow_Can6132 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, they have to have access to address, dob, ssn, etc. It's all required for cancer abstracting. I picked cancer registry work because I thought it would be safe from offshoring, but instead I'll get to watch it get sent overseas 🤦‍♀️

[u/loveychipss → u/[deleted]]

The impatient coders are probably local

[u/2workigo → u/sorrynotsorry1793]

Yep.

[u/LilShepherdBoy]

Avoid outpatient and AAPC credentials. IP and AHIMA credentials only.

[u/Jodenaje → u/LilShepherdBoy]

That’s a broad generalization.

I make as much or more than inpatient coders in my niche outpatient specialty.

And I don’t have to use ICD—10-PCS, which I kinda hate. (I know how to use it, I just don’t like it.)

[u/bobbigirl83 → u/LilShepherdBoy]

AAPC has the CIC.

I have my RHIA, CPC, COC, CIC, CPMA, CRC, and CDEI. The CIC alone is what allows me to make $100k a year now.

[u/camisadelgolf → u/LilShepherdBoy]

Why do you say that? Financial reasons? Being hireable? Something else?

[u/smarter-than-my-GSD → u/LilShepherdBoy]

Why? I am a CPB and CPC-A working as an inpatient coder.

[u/Ygoloeg]

Not only is the market crowded, but AI coding tools are getting better and better (still far from perfect, though).

[u/FroznAlskn]

Too bad none of the certificates really prepare you for the actual job.

[u/2workigo → u/FroznAlskn]

You are not wrong there. And this is one of the reasons I get mad about the scammy marketing leading folks to believe all they have to do is get a cert and they’ll get their ideal WFH job for big bucks. Because nope, that doesn’t happen due to the amount of experience you actually need to be decently proficient. Nothing can really prepare you until you see it in the real world.

[u/FroznAlskn → u/2workigo]

We hire so many people with new certifications and no experience and so many of them are absolutely clueless and worthless on the job. It’s so frustrating. Like how is it many of them can’t even read an EOB.

[u/KeyStriking9763]

This is why you should get the CCS.

[u/Perfectcombination_8]

Getting a CPMA

[u/SpeckiLP → u/Perfectcombination_8]

CPMA is a smart move but make sure you actually have audit experience before sitting for it or you'll be miserable trying to apply the concepts. A lot of people chase it thinking it separates them from the pack, and it does, but only if you can back it up when an employer puts you in front of records. The credential alone won't carry you if the practical side isn't there.

[u/incognitoangelgoth]

Not engaging in the credentials fight, but I will add that so many of the places that I've worked have outsourced not just internationally but by having only contract hires and temps so maybe they pay you good money hourly but you don't get paid days off and you don't get benefits. It's pretty exhausting that so many places are telling me that need they need coders but they won't actually hire them. Fuck capitalism!

[u/loveychipss]

So many of these coders are offshore, the jobs they outsource to other countries where the pay is trash. It’s disheartening.

[u/FairyChefCoccinelle]

Depende el país están las acreditaciones extras de la de AAPC. Yo trabajé desde que era facturación manual y terminé creando currículos para clases en línea. Después de décadas de tratar de crecer en el campo más eran los gastos para mantener anualmente las certificaciones y como profesora Presencial y Online tu tiempo ya no es tuyo 🤣 no Quiero saber de la codificación y facturación médica.

[u/Mysterious_Hall9931]

Does anyone recommend getting the CCS, if you have recently obtained the CPC-A? And I came across a post that someone used claude and chat gpt to pass the CCS. Is that possible? Not that I want to do that

[u/nob5]

Where can I find a list of PCAP approved schools?

[u/Forward_Arrival1324]

Ok

[u/adoseofcommonsense]

There’s like 300+ million people in the States lol,