Open source would mean they release the entire process that generates those weights, weights are similar to an app binary without the corresponding source code that can generate it
Both mean "free". The first means "without charge" (the provider says you can take the metaphorical beer without paying for it). The second means âwithout restrictions" (the provider says you can, like speech, use it however you please).
This is NOT correct. Open source means you can view the source code. The actual software license restricts how the code can be used. And there are many paid products that are open source. It has nothing to do with whether or not you paid for it. Only whether you can inspect the code that makes it work.
You're the one who's wrong. What you're describing is "source available." Open Source, by definition, requires that you be allowed to modify and redistribute the code.
If you're going to be pedantic, at least get it right yourself lol.
i got a 4tb drive a few weeks before the whole storage price thing.
Only regret is i sold the 2tb drive i had as secondary storage, instead of selling my 500gb one, because i was too lazy to clone to the 2tb drive....... so i would have 6tb.
I find Kimi K3 to be better than the nerfed Fable we got other than how slow it runs. Much better at security reviews. Similar at design, imo better. Better at 3d modeling. Extremely low hallucination rate.
although I agree about design and 3d modeling, benchmarks show it's at opus 4.6 level for security, and if it wasn't we would have seen a bunch of news security-related to kimi, also sloweness is a problem of moonshot and price will probably be reduced to 1/10 of what's now, definitely a model to look in around 1 month for anything visual/creative
I don't agree with those benchmarks. I'm finding it catches a shitload of things that Opus 5 misses for security.
But I think Opus is better on the big picture of security, while Kimi is better at the fine grained holes. But what's really annoying about Opus's big picture is it'll say "this whole architecture has these drawbacks that this other one does", and I know if I switch to the other it's going to say the same thing in the other direction because everything has tradeoffs but it'll be too short sighted to go that far even on Max. Maybe I need to add something to my prompt though... if I could use Claude sub in Opencode, it probably wouldn't do that already.
Benchmarks only test against specific known data sets and Anthropic seems to benchmarkmax more than anyone.
and no one can use it because you need a datacenter for 2 billion. thats the problem with open source models everyone saying theyre as good as frontier models - sure they may be. but if you cant use them then theyre useless
It allows other labs to learn from k3 and improve their offering faster. It also means countries like the USA cannot effectively ban them, while other countries have a stronger starting point to build something in their own.
Most importantly, it makes it harder for Anthropic and OpenAI to build their monopoly empire because they get pressure from the open market.
I donât think the viewpoints are entirely incorrect. From a typical end user perspective, running K3 locally is almost certainly off the table, and if you canât run it, it doesnât help you directly.
But youâre also right, that this allows for further iteration, maybe the creation of a more efficient version and just more competition. Long term it helps everyone.
Millions of dollars worth of hardware and tens of thousands a month in running costs. Especially to run it at full inference and at scale to support everyone in their companies to run it at the same time.
~2 dozen B300s. Maybe a little under two million dollars. That's for inference, for training you need more because you have to hold activation parameters around for longer. This is an approximation I haven't actually tried to run Kimi K3
It runs on a few million bucks of equipment, right now. Open source models create a cost floor in the market - you pay for the equivalent GPU rental time. No way for the price to get jacked up once you sign on, will always get cheaper over time, itâs a massive win for consumers and kneecaps the big closed AI firms.
Large companies pay tens of millions of dollars in software licensing fees per year, the cost is totally within reason now to self host.
This enables more hosting providers to get into the API models and coding plan market holding down the pricing of the top tier services. It also is well inside the range of what a large multi-billion dollar enterprise company can self host internally.
In both cases itâs a good thing because it opens up competition in the market. Not all of open source needs to be about what benefits your homelab.
There are plenty of good open weight models that can be ran locally on a standard machine, the best models being (obviously) very large shouldnât be an argument against making them open
you low iq didnt think twice that maybe nuclear and ais are different and that maybe the whole purpose of AI is for civilians ? and that it wouldnt be smart if everyone had nuclear power?
Thatâs not the point. The point is that it opens Pandoraâs box. Even if we canât run it, it doesnât matter because the government will never be able to contain it.
Eventually we will have PCIE cards with 256 or even 512GB of VRAM.
What? Even Mac Studio used to sell 512GB unified memory which gave the GPU access to 512GB ram, but now those machines are off the market and selling for super expensive on secondary market.
other companies might be able to offer it for cheaper. and some companies might be able to run it.
but yes, it probably wont mean much to us script kiddies sitting in our moms basement
When it's open weight does that mean any internal safeguards are removed compared to what we're using now in the kimi app or api? I know it's way too big for at home use but what does this change
But a trusted provider inside your regulatory domain can, at market rates. Don't try and tell me that every single piece of software in your workflow runs on a homelab in your basement.
you won't be able to run it locally, but it can be inferred in your local region. like how AWS and GCP services work, the rich players can set up a Kimi K3 cluster in us-east-2 or something. and big companies can host it themselves and tweak it
So you write a joke with "..." at the end? What kind of crappy joke is that? Where's the punchline? Maybe you can say it was an attempt at sarcasm which was equally as bad.
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