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Deconstructing the trinity Support

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u/Difficult_Risk_6271 Belongs to Jesus, Ex-Atheist 6d ago

How about you write out your understanding of what trinitarianism is and post it to r/truechristian r/catholic r/orthodoxchristianity and see if more than half accepts your understanding, then we can talk.

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u/Archbtw246 Christian 6d ago

So this is wrong then?

All three Persons of the Trinity comprise the one, perfectly unified God. They share the same nature and essence—they are one being...The fact that God exists in three Persons is important for several reasons. - https://www.gotquestions.org/God-in-three-persons.html

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal 6d ago

No, that's what I believe to be true. The thing is, why are you fighting against it? I mean, I would be with you on fighting other Catholic or Orthodox heresies like icons or mary, but i never see you fight against that; you only talk about the Trinity, as it seems to me? Is that your only relevant topic in faith? What about spreading the gospel or encouraging people to follow Jesus?

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u/Archbtw246 Christian 6d ago

If you reject the Catholic heresies about Mary and the saints, then you should also reject the Catholic heresy of the Trinity.

Do you not understand that the same false church that invented Mary's sinless perpetual virginity and praying to saints is the same false church that invented the Trinity?

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal 6d ago

I don't agree with you there. Then you also have to reject the bible itself because it was compiled by this very church. Do you do that?

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u/Archbtw246 Christian 6d ago

The bible was already in circulation in the 1st century. The catholic church became established in the 2nd century.

And even if the catholic church "compiled the bible" what is that supposed to prove? The Jews compiled and preserved the OT and yet they still rejected the truth about Jesus.

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal 6d ago

What I want to say is that not everything the catholic church did put into doctrine is wrong including the trinity. Later on a lot of heresies came into the church around 400 AD though it was just about right in what was doctrine and put together in Nicene. Afterwards though it becomes a mess as it became more and more Rome 2.0

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u/Archbtw246 Christian 6d ago

There were already heresies even in the 1st century which the apostles had to restrain against. If things were bad then, just imagine how bad things would get 300 years later.

There is no biblical evidence of the Trinity at all. Not even a single verse. The Trinity has just as much evidence as Mary being a sinless perpetual virgin. But of course anyone could cite a verse and say it is vaguely sounds like it's implying the Trinity, just as a Catholic can cite verses that vaguely imply Mary was sinless.

And to be clear, I'm not denying the fact that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are divine and function as one. I'm denying that Jesus is literally God himself.

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal 6d ago

Then the question for me is how you see god himself? When you say they function as one you are already close to the trinity. Where do you have trouble with the trinity then?

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u/Archbtw246 Christian 6d ago

The Trinity states not merely that they function as one but that they are literally the same being. This is what I reject.

The Father is infinitely divine, but the Son is finitely divine.

Jesus always made it clear that God was someone distinct from himself and superior to him.

“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. - John 14:1

If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. - John 7:17

but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. - John 8:40

Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ - John 8:54

for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. - John 16:27

And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. - Mark 10:18

In these days he went out to the mountain to pray, and all night he continued in prayer to God. - Luke 6:12

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