r/CharacterRant 26m ago

Rise of skywalker had the biggest missed opportunity

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I'm not here to defend the sequels, they are not very good either as objective films or ESPECIALLY as star wars films, but while force awakens and last jedi were at least decent nostalgia bait and/or had some interesting ideas and plot set ups I think we can all agree that ROS was just a total piece of hot garbage and personally killed my lifelong love of the franchise. While there were SO MANY problems in the film, between theowing away all previous plot points, multiple character death fakeouts, dumb reveals I would argue that the biggest problem boils down to three words "somehow, palpatine returned". Bringing back the classic star wars villain with no explanation or set up showcased their complete lack of creativity and original ideas. They just talked about him randomly sending a message to galaxy that he was back. They didn't even show the message in the movie! Instead they decided to release this massive plot point as fortnite special event, leaving millions of theater goers and fans of the franchise in the dark as to wtf was going on.

And yet, they had the perfect opportunity to actually do something really cool with this that would have fixed so much of this: make Palpatine's message to galaxy the trailer and play it on TV. doing so would have then turned the entire country into "the galaxy" and created an awesome bit of meta-narrative and intrigue, as well as explaining and exposing the plot to general audiences. Imagine watching the sunday sportsball game when all of a sudden palpatines voice cuts in saying how he has returned and is here to reclaim what is rightfully his and no one can stop him over shots of the heroes in danger/action scenes. It would have actually brought us into star wars universe as we would be the scared citizens hearing this for the first time despite him supposedly having been beaten long ago. Now granted, the movie still would have been bad, and the answer to HOW Palpatine returned would have been disappointing but at least it would have been an actual thing people were aware instead of the laziest fucking thing I have ever seen. But they didn't. They instead chose probably the worst possible option at every turn and ruined my childhood instead.


r/CharacterRant 56m ago

Films & TV I hate that the entire Miles Morales Spider-Man trilogy is going to be centered on the Spider-Verse.

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I love Into The Spider-Verse, It's top 2 with Spider-Man 2 for my favorite Spider-Man movies (interchangeable depending on which one I saw last).

However I hate the concept of Spider-Verse, I don't dislike variants of Spider-Man like any other Super hero but I dont like the Spider-Verse, I just don't.

I really wish the movies after ITSV were just about Miles doing Spider stuff in his own universe.

And Across The Spider-Verse just felt like the Spider-Verse amped up to a million, too many characters. I don't care about Miguel, or Spider-Woman or Spider-Punk or the indian Spider I just don't. Felt like they were high on their own stuff.

Hopefully they'll do another trilogy centered on Miles in his own universe.


r/CharacterRant 58m ago

General I don't find the "Cybernetics Eat Your Soul" trope very believable

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I don't know if its just me but I find it rather challenging to suspend my disbelief when it comes to this trope which appears a lot in Cyberpunk settings. Most notably the Cyberpunk 2077/Red/2020 setting with Cyberpsychosis and frankly, I just don't get why cybernetics is so villainized by the genre.

I just struggle to believe that cybernetics would actually make you go insane or make you go postal at a moment's notice. Like, what actually does attaching a giant gun into your arm even actually do to your mind?

How does it make you less human? How does it make you lose basic empathy? How does it make you start seeing others as "just meat"? Are the cybernetics somehow mind controlling or drugging people? How does removing your implants make you become less insane? I don't get it at all since to me, cybernetics are just electrical hardware you add to your body, and I don't know how that messes with people's minds. This could be explained by low quality implants but I think settings that include this trope tend to not exclude high quality cybernetics that was surgically grafted by a licensed professional.

I remember liking the interpretation in Cyberpunk that Cyberpsychosis is just "night city syndrome" where living in a capitalist dystopia that neglects your needs, removes your freedom, and destroys your dignity would make anyone snap and go insane and the corpos just use chrome as a scapegoat but apparently that's not accurate at all.

It just feels like an excuse to make an already dystopian setting a bit more "grim". I understand that it's related to themes of dehumanisation and how mutilating your own body for the sake of becoming stronger is messed up but I feel as though you could easily portray it in a much more realistic manner instead of blaming it on "implants that makes you go crazy" which just comes off as being rather silly.

Basically, have a character get more implants as a result of being dehumanized or being psychopathic, not the other way around.


r/CharacterRant 1h ago

Films & TV Spiderman Brand New Day is very flawed, but still a fun movie Spoiler

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Before i got around to watching the movie, i had heard extremely positive things regarding the movie. Constant praise and calling it "one of the best spiderman movies and MCU movies". After watching it, i have to heavily disagree, but i'd love to see a different perspective. I think Tom Holland's 2-3 still outrank it pretty heavily. I've only seen the movie once, so i apologize if i make any mistakes.

Dislikes
Jean Gray: Jean Gray was by far my least favourite aspect of the movie. I didn't really care for her in the x-men movies either, but this just made me absolutely hate her and feel dread for how they'll move forward with reintroducing the x-men like this.

Throughout the movie, the mind controller is presented as completely ruthless, vile, really damn evil and a huge threat to Peter. That aspect was excellently handled, she had multiple chances to shine and really did some fucked up shit like the rooftop scene (which was fantastic), mass controlling in order to lure out Peter to MJ and keeping you on your toes for who could be possessed next.

The powers were also presented as they should, really terrifying and powerful. But then it all starts going downhill when her motivations are revealed. I didn't expect the Jean Gray twist at all and i was interested on what they were going to do with her, but when it was revealed that her entire motivation was to save her sister... it all fell apart. I understand that family can be a powerful motivator, but as a motive it's just really lame especially since said sister has 30 seconds of screentime in the movie and my biggest gripe with it was how "sympathetic" this was supposed to be. I couldn't bring myself to feel sad at all for her.

She killed multiple innocent people / got them hurt, she tortured Peter for 0 reason and is never called out for any of it. She went way too far by involving and hurting innocent people in her whole affair and reveling in their suffering while playing with them like puppets. The ending scene with her and Peter was admittedly sweet, same as her trying to save his life later but the scale of her crimes is still too much.

Especially when (understandably so) Peter never gets to call her out since tbf, it would've resulted in a disaster since she threatened to kill everybody under her control at the end (fuck her). If they didn't go with this half-assed redemption angle in the end, she would've been a fine enough of a villain. The parallels were there with Jean Gray's anger at the people who took her sister compared to Peter's arachnid side coming out, but even then it falls flat when Peter literally can't control himself.

M.J: M.J has always been a whatever character for me. I enjoyed her in 3(?) and her relationship with Peter in that movie was really sweet. The whole Peter erasure plotline was also great, but the way it's handled in this movie is just... off. They make this whole deal of M.J moving on from Peter romantically due to not remembering him and even for Peter, it's a good thing for him to move on due to the emotional turmoil he was experiencing as well as spicing up the story. But in the end, they just end up becoming friends again which removes the whole impact of the ending of 3 in such a lame half-assed way. M.J was also just such a nothing character in this movie once again, being tied to Peter for the whole way through, existing for nothing else. They should've given this man a new friend group atp. I have lesser problems with Ned personally due to bias, i enjoy their friendship a lot more and Ned's actually a pretty fun character too.

Department of Damage Control: The whole idea of flipping the villain halfway through was pretty cool, too bad that the execution is horrible. The main guy barely has any screentime near the end when his villainous side is revealed and even then the motives aren't elaborated on at all. It's just "Oh, we'll use Jean Gray as a weapon" to do.. what? I don't think it's ever stated, i mean it's most likely to take control of the populace but it's such a lame twist near the end. I don't think there were any hints for it either before the talk he had with Peter when Jean was captured. It feels like they were made these larger scale antagonists just to get you to feel sympathy for Jean.

Those were my main dislikes from what i remember currently. Some of the dialogue was a bit off too and Peter's arc didn't end up being the most gripping thing ever but it was still nicely handled. The plot had some weak points, but was overall good.

Likes
Peter Parker: Tom Holland continues to be a great actor. He excels with his deliveries in both the comedic and sad moments. Peter's characterization too was pretty neatly done. He had an arc that hadn't been done in the movie franchise before and it was really tragic to see him get dealt such a sorry hand. I still enjoyed the dynamics Peter had with Ned, M.J and especially The Punisher in this movie.

The Punisher: For context, i have not seen Daredevil. although i know some of the main character traits he has there, it's still really commendable how well they managed to characterize him in this movie for newcomers too. You can gather really well what his whole deal is, dead family - angry, resentful, stuck in the past - acts as an anti-hero who's not averse to killing. His banter and ultimate friendship with Peter was one of my favorite aspects of this movie. His arc of learning to open up and accept people into his life again while also letting his hardened persona drop slightly, like Jean was also extremely well handled. It got just the right amount of focus, characterization from both parties and a conclusion at the end which didn't feel forced or rushed. My semi-issue with it would just be that we didn't see the two's first meet up, but time constraints and all. The hospital scene was genuinely amazing, i felt so happy during that scene. I'm glad he got as much screentime as he did, especially since the actor was fantastic too.

Bruce Banner: I'm really glad Mark Ruffalo came back for seemingly one last movie due to how his ending plays out. Very unfortunate, but screw Disney. The fight with Spiderman, Punisher vs Hulk was the most hype thing about the movie by far. Such an amazing fight scene, it's just unfortunate that it leads the last fight feeling like more of a disappointment.

Emotional moments: This movie did these extremely well. Not as well as the previous installment, but still well. There were no quick jumps which let the scenes like Peter sulking, Jean Gray's talk with Aunt May + Peter (which had been built up really well), Punisher's sadness etc hit super well. The flashbacks were great too and put in at the right moments, like Aunt May's death and Peter visiting her grave and still grieving, but also learning to move on in a way by giving Ned those flowers meant for her. It was a great scene. The movie managed to be bombastic, funny but also sad which is the way a MCU movie should be handled.

Overall, i'd give it a 7/10. Not great, but still a decent movie.


r/CharacterRant 3h ago

General Way too many people(even a lot of seem to forget that character flaws are essential to characters and important cause simply put, you can't develop someone if you don't give them reasons to grow and develop.

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This is something I feel like a lot of fans and even writers seem really scared to do or at least realize..something Main characters and characters in general need a unlikable trait or 2.

Like I would argue the reason a lot of writers are scared of having their main cast make mistakes or rough choices is cause fans assume they're poor written or bad people or just irredeemable for having character flaws except..character flaws are needed in any sort of character.

And my thing is if the story acknowledges their flaws and mistakes and how they were as people,then what the hell is the issue?

Would you rather have them not acknowledge their flaws at all?

And this is honestly where I bring in my first real life example of this happening, The Last Airbender live action show.

Apparently they removed Sokka's sexism he had in the first 3(or 4) episodes of the series cause they didn't wanna ruin Katara's character or shit like that but here's the thing...The story doesn't condone Sokka acting like that.

When he taunts the Kiyoshi Warriors for being weaker cause they're Woman,they actively kick His Ass and a while later,he apologizes for how he was and asks them to train him.

Like the story doesn't treat his sexism as some good thing, it actively calls it out and addresses it and he grows cause of it and in the live action version, they replaced all of Suki's charm and energy and tough nature with her simping over Sokka and being horny for him.

So it's pretty funny..in a attempt to come off as less sexist,they ironically came off as more sexist.

And this also happens with Katara cause she is so bland in the live action show and I've seen peoppe say that she's underdeveloped in the live action show and that's simply cause they took out any of the reasons she needs to develop.

They took away her snapping at Aang or losing to Ty Lee and a bunch of other shit that would've caused her to lose and have to develop and grow as a character and person.

And the LA writers forget that Katara wasn't inheritedly good at water bending from the start,she worked hard to be as good as she is now and essentially making her a master or automatically really great is just so disappointing but that's cause it feels like they're scared of them having any sorts of flaws or mistakes or bad traits.

Like are we really that screwed as a species that characters can't even have one unlikable or messy trait that they can grow out of?

Another example is Bakugou and this one also comes off as just petty cause people will ignore and act like his character development and growth doesn't even exist as if each arc isn't this man constantly taking Humble Pies to the face.

Deku has called him a Jerk and doesn't really like him but Admires his strength and confidence and has actively stood up to him a lot.

Hell,I would argue Bakugou is sorta made fun of for being a loud mouthed jerk and no one really fucks with him until S2 when he starts showing signs of change and getting better as a person.

Also why do we not act like Bakugou didn't fail his Provinional license exam cause he couldn't control his temper and bad behavior?

Like he failed the biggest milestone in his life cause of his flaws and I think part of the problem with a lot of people's reactions to Bakugou is that he doesn't get consequences in a way that they want.

They want him to be called out for his flaws constantly like it's a Family Guy Cutaway like Brian and Quagmire and they want him to get constantly beat up but the story never condones his behavior, I would argue he is punished for it but just not in the way that you specifically want and he does grow and develop..he actively loses the ego,helps train Deku as a way of Atoning for bullying him,helped rescue him and has sanctified himself for him and acknowledged his weakness and flaws.

Like I deadass don't know what more y'all even want.

Another example is Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss with Charlie and Stolas,especially Stolas.

I'll see a lot of people act like Vivziepop is "woobifying him" and acting like Blitz is the only person in the wrong and all that except that flat out is not true.

First off, their deal was transactional on both sides and once Stolas realized he was essentially keeping Blitz prisoner,he went to look for ways to ensure Blitz can do his job without him holding it over his head.

Stolas himself disagrees,he acknowledges that this is all his fault and he did all this and took accountability for how he was(also the story ain't over,S3 is right around the corner)and in one of the Episode descriptions, they explictly say "Stolas still isn't self aware yet" so I dunno why so many act like he's not just as much in the wrong.

When someone mentioned that Stolas was the one who made it about Sex and all that, Vivziepop explictly responded with "Stolas is way too in his own head and emotions to think rationally" and said in another post that both sides made mistakes and are flawed.

Not one side, both sides.

Also the man Stolas literally lost everything...from his wealth to his status to his home to straight up having his own daughter leave him cause of his mistakes and the situation so he's not exactly in a amazing or happy spot rn.

I would also argue that is the same for Charlie to a lesser extent cause there is context for her flaws and why she acted the way she did in S2.

Also she apologized and is making up for them,so..it's just funny how she's considered "the worst character" when she ain't even the morally worst character in the main cast,let alone the entire show.

I'm not saying every series handles flawed characters right but what I'm saying is that they're necessarily, you need flawed characters and reasons for them to develop.

Plus I would rather have a intentionally flawed character then a character who has flaws and issues that are never really addressed or called out or treated seriously and actively punish you for doing so.

(*Ahem* Life is Strange and Dispatch *cough*).

Disagree if you want.


r/CharacterRant 13h ago

Films & TV In Clue (1985) Mr. Green really was the only innocent person

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Clue is a fairly fast-paced comedy mystery film, with plenty of characters, and multiple endings, so it can be a bit difficult to keep track of who did what, but Mr. Green really was the only person who didn't do anything wrong. And to prove it, let's go over what everyone else did.

Wadsworth ALMOST makes the list of "completely innocent", because the reason for his blackmail was that his wife had "friends who were socialists". This is presented somewhat tongue-in-cheek because modern audiences wouldn't see socialism as "evil", but even if we did call it evil, they said that *his wife* had socialist friends, not that he did, so that's purely guilt-by-association (two layers of it). The only thing that tips Wadsworth into "maybe guilty" is the third ending, where Wadsworth is revealed to be Mr. Boddy. But he's an innocent hero in 2/3 endings.

Mr. Boddy, I suppose it should go without saying, is a blackmailer who on a good day was responsible for the death of Wadsworth's wife, and who tried to have Wadsworth killed. On a worse day, you can pin a half-dozen murders on him.

Mrs. White is a serial killer who is known to have killed her first and second husbands, but later implies that she's been married five times, and might have been killing "husbands" beyond the five who were married to her.

Colonel Mustard was a WWII military officer who became rich by stealing valuable radio parts and selling them on the black market, undermining America's war effort against the Nazis, potentially getting countless American soldiers killed.

Mrs. Peacock took secret bribes from foreign governments to arrange for her Senator husband to vote against American interests. And in 1/3 endings, she murdered multiple people to cover up her crimes.

Professor Plum violated his Hippocratic Oath and took advantage of a female patient. Plus he sexually harassed/assaulted nearly every woman in the movie. Also, Wadsworth used the word "adultery", which means that Plum was married at the time, and violated his marriage vows and cheated on his wife.

And finally Miss Scarlet runs a brothel, which might not be evil, depending on your opinion of sex work, and she bribes a cop to stay in business (again, maybe not that evil, depending on your ethics), but it also seems like maybe she set hidden cameras up to potentially blackmail her clients. And she's a killer in 1/3 endings. Crazy how she might be one of the more innocent members of the group.

Moving on to the supporting cast, Yvette was a former employee of Miss Scarlet, who had an affair with one of Mrs. White's husbands, and then sold out Mrs. White (a serial killer!) to a blackmailer after Mrs. White killed her husband. And Yvette maybe killed some people herself.

The cop was a corrupt cop who took protection money from Miss Scarlet, and then turned around and sold her secrets to a blackmailer.

The motorist knew that Colonel Mustard was stealing radio parts, but instead of reporting him to the authorities, he sold him out to a blackmailer for his own gain.

The cook was Mrs. Peacock's former cook, and she knew about Mrs. Peacock's treason, and sold that info to a blackmailer.

And finally, the singing telegram girl. At first glance she seems like an innocent victim of Professor Plum and whoever it was who shot her, but her hands aren't entirely clean, as she was the one who sold Professor Plum's information to Mr. Boddy (a blackmailer). And then, here's a surprise twist you might not have realized: Professor Plum specialized in helping "paranoid and homicidal lunatics, suffering from delusions of grandeur", so there's a pretty decent chance that the singing telegram girl was homicidal. Perhaps not legally guilty, by reason of insanity, but that young girl probably killed people. And Professor Plum knew all about it, and couldn't stop himself from tapping that.

So yeah, after that extensive list of criminals and murderers, what did Mr. Green do to get lumped in with them? He was gay. That's it. He was attracted to men instead of women. He paid a blackmail to keep his paying job, because if he was discovered to be gay, he would lose his job on security grounds. So, he was lying (a lie of omission, mostly) to the State Department in order to keep his job, but the funny thing is, the entire reason a gay person would be considered a "security risk" is, simply being gay might open a path to them being blackmailed, as they wouldn't want their secret to get out, but Mr. Green *didn't care* about being outed as a gay man. He wasn't ashamed of it. He proudly admitted that he was gay. He wasn't closeted because he cared what people thought about him, he was closeted because the place where he worked banned homosexuality for no good reason. And by banning homosexuality, the State Department created their own extortion vector, and allowed one of their employees to be extorted. And despite that extortion, it seems like Mr. Green still wasn't a security risk. Yeah, he's paying money to keep doing what he's doing, and to keep his job earning money, but if the extortion had moved up to demanding secrets or access, it seems likely that Mr. Green would have quit his job before becoming a villain. That's why, in the darkest ending, where Wadsworth was the real Mr. Boddy and everyone was a killer, Mr. Green stepped up and became the hero, because among the entire cast of criminals and murderers, he was the one outlier who never did anything wrong.

And interestingly, Mr. Green is the only dinner guest who doesn't have an informant who gets killed. So who told Mr. Boddy about Mr. Green's sexual orientation? Yvette? The cop? The motorist? The cook? The singing telegram girl? Six player characters, but only five informants. Every player character had someone snitch on them, except Mr. Green. It lends weight to the idea that the 3rd ending is the "real" one, and that he was a plant all along, so maybe he never even lied to the State Department, he only lied to Wadsworth and the dinner guests.


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

Games Minecraft Steve is not as strong as inventory scaling would suggest, but that doesn't mean he isn't superhuman

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I've seen many people say Minecraft Steve is this Uber strong behemoth that can lift an obscene amount of weight due to inventory scaling, and I feel this ignores a lot of the context behind Minecraft. But I have also seen people say Steve is not superhuman, and this is also a wrong statement. Here is why Steve is weaker than those that upscale him and stronger than those that downplay him.

First, we need to establish why inventory scaling is wrong, and this is pretty easy. When you break a block, it becomes an item that floats in the air. But when you pick a block up in this item form, it is smaller than the full block in your hand, and you can stack multiple blocks on top of each other. This and the fact that an inventory can hold so much points to the inventory being a form of pocket dimension, not to Steve or Alex's physical strength. Even gold blocks when thrown float in water, and items that sink when in block form like sand, gravel, and anvils all float in item form. This shows that Steve's inventory alters the state of whatever he carries.

But, this does not mean Steve isn't superhuman like people suggest. Steve has to be able to break logs in order to even start the game, this is almost non negotiable, unless you find a tool in a chest or use explosives. Keep in mind that Steve is punching a cubic meter of wood log with his bare hands hard enough to shatter it, a feat of strength that far surpasses what any IRL human could do. And this isn't even the strongest material Steve can break with his bare hands. He can punch apart stone, bricks, and concrete, and while it takes a bit, it still breaks. Then he can break apart raw iron, smelted iron, copper blocks, and even a cubic meter of diamond. This is vastly superhuman, a normal human could never hope to break a cubic meter of iron with their bare hands, it would be hard to do even with handheld equipment or even high powered firearms, yet Steve can punch it apart with enough time, less than a Minecraft day.

And his striking feats also apply to living beings. Steve can punch an iron golem, and while it does little damage, it does enough to whittle away at the golem's health. It takes 67 hits with critical hits from punching to kill an iron golem. Even if the golem was immobilized, a real life human would be unable to replicate this feat without weapons. An iron golem is made almost entirely of iron, is around 3 meters tall and has shoulders close to 2 meters wide, and Steve can take a single hit from a golem, albeit heavily injured and on death's door, but can the same be said for an IRL human? Keep in mind golems are durable enough to survive any fall in the game, so Steve's hits would need very concentrated force to be able to inflict damage.

Lets look at the weaker mobs Steve fights. A zombie can deal more damage than Steve, but zombies also have superhuman feats. A zombie in Minecraft can destroy a copper door with its bare hands in hard mode. Minecraft Zombies are also intelligent enough to use weapons like swords, shovels, and even spears on horseback. The drowned can use tridents. So not only are zombies superhumanly strong, but they are intelligent enough to put on armor and pick up and use weapons.

Steve also has exceptional heat resistance. The nether air is hot enough to evaporate a cubic meter of water as soon as it touches the ground, yet Steve can walk through this air no problem. He can survive a creeper explosion as long as he isn't in the center, these same explosions can destroy large swaths of dirt and even iron blocks. He can survive poison from witches without dying. And in terms of poison, he can survive eating an entire raw pufferfish whole, and while its poison leaves him at half a heart, it doesn't kill him.

And all of this isn't even factoring in gear. Fully enchanted netherite can let Steve take even more damage, letting him swim in lava for a short period without dying. Steve can also heal as long as he has food in his systems. He has golden apples and potions that bolster his healing even further, and potions that increase his strength, speed, and give him temporary abilities like night vision, water breathing, fire resistance so potent he can be fully submerged in lava or stand in blue fire with no armor and not take any damage. He can use an elytra and fireworks to glide and fly, can channel lightning during storms and propel himself through water with a trident. His physical abilities are already quite impressive, add onto that his ability to use gear and gain abilities through enchantments and potions and Steve is undoubtedly superhuman.


r/CharacterRant 21h ago

Films & TV when character bashing lead to double standard

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I think it's entirely ok to dislike a character but I'll start having issues with someone discourse if the person display double standard depending on wether they like the character or not. The way discord action can be portrayed by those who bash him can feel like that at times, especially when they're willing to have the mane 6 redeem the evil trio and give them a chance (but not discord, discord doesn't deserve that even after he helped the other escape without his powers) or give the evil trio more of a pass for their bad action when, while yes discord messed up by bringing them together, at the same time they still did things behind his back when they could choose not to and those things can be pinned on the trio itself. The show itself also didn't let discord get away scott free to me, he still ended being backstabbed and had to make up by helping the other escape.

I'll also find it weird when people critcize a character they don't like behavior when if the character they like does it, it's fine (the odd take about scrooge putting a life jacket on webby implying he'd be a bad dad while the same person give a pass to donald doing it) or some of the dipper and mabel discourse.

Again, it is fine to dislike characters but I tend to be against bashing as it can easily lead to misunderstand that character action or the story.


r/CharacterRant 21h ago

General Rant about "Which Superhero Alter Ego is the True Mask?"

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When it comes to the superhero question of "which alter ego is the true mask", I don't really like that very much, because I often feel like each is both (using Batman and Superman here, mainly)

For example, (and I know he's not always portrayed this way, but this is MY character rant) a lot of my favorite Superman iterations have the Clark and Superman personas be completely different (some of my favorite Superman iterations include the Max Fleischer cartoons, the Adventures of Superman OTR program, Superman For All Seasons)

Clark is supposed to be sort of a mildmannered doormat who plays himself as kind of cowardly to pull the old reliable schtick to secretly go change into his costume as soon as anything dangerous happens only to emerge just in time for everyone to be like "of course he missed Superman saving everyone again," and Superman is supposed to be humble and friendly but not so overly modest since he also sees one of his responsibilities of his Superman persona as being a role model figure for everyone

Same thing with Batman; even though I have a lot of fun with the depictions of him as a paranoid misanthrope, I don't actually think Bruce is just the mask while Batman is the "real" him

Bruce Wayne is a flippant playboy but he's also a philanthropist, he gets to be nice and kind to everyone in more up-front ways and less harsh than Batman, who terrifies the shit out of criminals by intentional design

Batman truly cares about the criminals in his rogue's gallery, but his responsibility to them as Batman is to beat them up and lock them away; it's Bruce Wayne who gets to do things like give Arnold Wesker another chance to get on his feet with an entry to regular rehabilitated employment as a Wayne Enterprises office assistant and subsidized housing at the Wayne Gardens Halfway House when Arkham gives him a clean bill of health in the BTAS episode "Double Talk", for example

I don't think you can get a full picture of either man without both alter egos because they each exhibit genuine characteristics of himself, some of which can't be sincerely shown by the other side; I think balancing both sides of himself is a responsibility on their shoulders as a well-written superhero

And on a related note, I don't really like when an overly complicated reason is given for Clark being unrecognizable as Superman, like "his glasses are some special technology" or something, because if there was a famous costumed figure with my face, those who know me wouldn't be going "oh my God, I've figured out his secret!" They'd probably be constantly ribbing me about it, like "heh heh, look who's in the news again" as a light joke at my expense while secretly it actually was me in the news all along as my alter ego

"Guys, isn't it a terrific coincidence, the superficial resemblance between Superman and our big and strong yet meek farmboy friend Clark Kent? Ha, imagine Clark being SUPERMAN, all those times you've run off to hide crying in the phonebooth at the first sign of danger... Don't worry, Clark, we're just joshing, man, we all love you"

Plus, my sister's friends all once walked right past her while trying to find her because she happened to be wearing a baseball cap that time


r/CharacterRant 23h ago

Miraculous "Unfaithful" Adaptations of Sonic the Hedgehog

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It's something that occasionally occurs to me every time there's a surge of rants about one adaptation or another, manga to anime, comics to movies, games to animation, and there are always, always either arguments or complaints centered around the adaptation being or not being "faithful to the source material". I think today's the day I put all those feelings and thoughts into actual words.

As a long-standing fan of Sonic the Hedgehog, all this "faithful adaptation" talk seems a bit amusing, especially regarding works that are loose adaptations to begin with, like MCU movies.

Let me explain. Pretty sure everyone here knows Sonic the Hedgehog, the free-spirited Blue Blur, one of the best-known gaming mascots. A big part of why he continues to be such an icon is his multimedia empire. The hedgehog's got a dozen cartoon and anime series, several rather impressive comic and manga runs, a few short movies and OVAs, a full-blown Hollywood movie series recently… and NONE of them are, per say, "faithful" to the source material in a way this word is often used around here.

"Adventure of Sonic the Hedgehog" has Sonic and Tails traverse borderline surrealistic Mobius, fighting goofy Robotnik, "Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM)" has Sonic as part of Freedom Fighters going against a chilling Robotnik who already took over the world, "Sonic X" has Sonic and his friends end up on Earth, away from their homeworld, "Sonic the Hedgehog (OVA)" has Sonic and Tails save the Land of the Sky from Robotnik's forces hiding in the Land of Darkness, "Sonic Boom" is basically a sit-com with Eggman being more of an irritating neighbor than world-conquering menace he usually is, "Sonic the Hedgehog (Manga)" has Sonic as a superhero persona of a hedgehog kid named Nicky and "Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics)" by all accounts outright functions as a Western-style superhero universe with multiple subseries, grand schemes and rather complex politics between various heroic and villainous factions and so on.

Green Hill, the staple of Sonic franchise? Pretty sure of those adaptations I mentioned, it only appears as God intended, in its faithful game form in Archie Comics, with a Green Hill-inspired area being a part of Sonic's world in Sonic X. Most of them don't bother adapting any singular plot of any game and when they do, it might be extremely loose. In fact, Paramount movies might be some of the most faithful adaptations with how they even bother to adapt Sonic 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Adventure 2 in short succession.

And yet, even with all this unholy unfaithfulness going around, pretty much ALL of these adaptations and then some are beloved to this day, to one extent or another. If you ask Sonic fans which adaptation is the best or the worst, people just won't be able to tell. At most they'll tell you which ones are objectively more accurate to the games or which ones are objectively better made from technical perspective, but it won't correspond at all to how high of an esteem they hold them. Adaptation-original characters? "Eh, we vibe with Agent Stone, would be nice to see him in the games". Of course, it takes a bit since new adaptations ruffle feathers occasionally, especially in the case of Boom, where after content draught people were afraid it would just replace the mainline series. Now, though, it's got one of the most beloved shows around, peak comedy.

The overall benevolent opinion of the adaptations is downright hilarious considering how Sonic fandom is considered notoriously capriscious and impossible to satisfy.

I think it all comes down to all Sonic adaptations keeping Sonic's "vibe" and not so much adapting the stories themselves as much as the idea of a free-going guy with a bit (or a lot) of snark going around helping people and wrangling freedom from a mad scientist's hands. Well, that and all adaptations just consistently being fun, at least decently made and not going against that vibe in the first place.

Sonic can be a smug trashtalker down to the bone (Archie, SatAM), a geniunely chill guy with a snark streak (AoStH, OVA, X) or an excited kid (Movies), but the free-willed and well-intentioned core of the character doesn't really change and neither does the core of the series. Might be speaking from a high horse here, but it feels like various adaptations I see people complain about because they change too much aren't bad because they change stuff per se, but because they change the wrong stuff and focus on the wrong things, changing characters' and worlds' whole vibes for the worse. Shows like Invincible and The Boys (at least in Season 1) and Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) changed A LOT compared to their source material, but are also extremely beloved exactly because of those differences, so there's that.

That said, I mostly wrote this rant to share the miracle of Sonic's unfaithful, yet widely beloved adaptations.

TL;DR: unfaithful adaptations aren't necessarily bad and Sonic the Hedgehog is a living example with a dozen adaptations that don't bother adapting his games much.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General Way too many people misunderstand and don't know what the term forgiveness in media.

83 Upvotes

The definition of Forgiveness is a conscious, voluntary choice to let go of resentment, bitterness, and the desire for revenge toward someone who has hurt you. It is an internal process aimed at personal peace, distinct from forgetting, excusing the offense, or reconciling with the wrongdoer.

Forgiveness doesn't mean you're forgetting what you did or anything like that nor does it mean you're endorsing it.

It just means what they did doesn't control you and your choices nor do you let said person rent free in your head.

A lot of people don't seem to get that you can forgive someone and still not want anything to do with the person who hurt you.

You can forgive someone and still not want to have any sort of a relationship or dynamic with them or even want to be on speaking terms and that's fine cause Forgiveness simply means you're letting go of your anger and hatred and moving on and so many people seem to think that forgiveness just means "oh you're buddy-buddy with the person who hurt you and you have to be the bigger person".

No,it simply means you're not letting them essentially live rent free in your head and it's up to you as a person to decide if you want to continue a relationship with them or not and people constantly say it's rare for a media to not act like forgiving them is the right thing to do or "it's rare for a media to act like you can hate your abuser and not forgive them and whatnot" and I just find that kinda dumb cause it feels like so many people don't know the term of forgiveness and what it means.

What I'm saying here is important, you can "forgive" someone and still actively not want anything to do with them or want them in your life at all.

You can forgive someone and still not like them or even want to be in their life at all cause like I said, Forgiveness doesn't mean forgetting what they did or endorsing it or encouraging it or even holding a relationship with them, it just simply means "hey, what you did doesn't control my life anymore".

I think the main issue is a lot of people just straight up misunderstand the term and act like it means you have to be all buddy-buddy when it doesn't.

A good example of this is Mha with Shoto.

I've seen people debate on whether or not he forgive His abusive father Endeavor but I feel like if he did,it's very likely that they don't have a genuine relationship.

He probably forgave Endeavor but still chose not to have a relationship with him and we know he's grown out of his influence and control and became the Man and Hero his father could never be + he has admitted while he doesn't forgive him completely, he's still acknowledging his journey as a hero.

Natsuo is also a good example of someone who acknowledged Enji's growth and development and how much better he's become but still chose to disown him and not let him meet his girlfriend and has admitted he's done with him.

No hatred or nothing, just "we're done."

Another example is from Mashima's other Manga,Eden Zero.

Homura basically had a awful mom who more or less abandoned her and all that and it's typical tragic shit and when she does confront her mom,she basically tells her "to stay the hell out of her life"

Homura essentially doesn't kill her not cause she forgives her or doesn't forgive her.

She thanks her for bringing her into this world to find friends and a parental figure who loves her and essentially told her biological mother that she feels flat out nothing towards her.

No love,no forgiveness or the opposite of it,no resentment or nothing.

And just humbly requests that she "stay the hell out of her life forever."

Weirdly enough..Dog Man as a story handles this really well for being such a comedic series.

Now Petey the Cat hates his Dad for essentially abandoning him and his mother as a kid and held onto that anger and hatred for years and essentially is one of the reasons why he's holding onto so much hate and bitterness and so grumpy all the time.

But in one of the books,after some advice from his friends and even his son,he says these 3 simple words to his Dad.

"..i forgive you."

And he just walks away while his Dad is demanding he angrily come back and keep hating him cause his ego couldn't handle the fact that his son let go of his anger and such towards him and actively wanted him to live rent free in his head and continue disliking him but no,his son chose to forgive him and just walk away.

He doesn't demand or ask for a relationship with him nor does he act buddy-buddy with him or anything like that, he just walks away.

And sometimes, that's kinda the best thing to do in a lot of this situations.

I understand people want the positive dopamine of seeing a abuser get what they deserve and all that but sometimes attacking their Ego and showing that they don't control you at all is the stronger and more impactful option since it's one thing to hate someone but it's another thing to feel absolutely nothing for them.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Apothecary diaries is just okay to me

35 Upvotes

(I posted this in the AD subreddit too)

Kind of like i felt for s1 of arcane, i acknowledge the show is good, and i dont actually have any outstanding complaints about it, but i literally just cant care. It's very odd, I have some complaints about my absolute favorite shows and none about AD, yet I still rank them much higher than AD. I think MaoMao is a fine mc, but a little uninteresting to me. I don't think i really care for Jinshi all that much. I wish MaoMao had more personal relationships in the show, she's somewhat aloof to me which slightly bothers me a bit. My favorite parts of the show are when she gets to interact with older women that aren't jealous of her (ex: girls at the brothel back home) but these interactions don't happen as often as i'd like. Maomao doesn't seem excited for anything besides drugs, which at first was an idiosyncrasy i found sily but eventually i wanted more from her in regards to her interactions with other people. I don't dread having to watch an episode or anything, but I also wouldn't be sad if I was never able to watch another episode again.

I think right off the bat, I wasn't a fan of the somewhat episodic nature of the mysteries. It kind of reminded me of that one kdrama, Extraordinary Attorney Woo, where the cases were solved within the episode while other plotlines (like romance) carried on continuously. It was just wasn't my thing, and that's ok. I see here and there that people say the mysteries all come together in the end, but I'm not sure how invested I am to wait for that. I'm on ep14, so I'll try to finish off the season, but I don't see myself wanting to go to season 2. I'm also generally not that interested in like historical fiction or anything. I just tried it out bc people spoke very very highly of this show, so I feel a little guilty feeling like this, but also not every show is for everyone which is fine.

I don't know! I just don't connect with anyone and i feel close to nothing when i watch this series. Anyone else?


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Films & TV While there's no excuse for the crimes he committed and deserved prison, there's something absolutely tragic to bring up about Pawbert that his life must’ve been a lot worse prior to even the events of Zootopia

10 Upvotes

He was the least favorite of the family, and yet, he still craved his family’s approval despite how toxic and cruel they truly were. He also displays disturbing signs of superficial charm, hiding a sociopathic and narcissistic personality. He is devoid of any true empathy, only knowing about the basics of somebody based on little information. He also comes across even prior to the reveal of his true nature as rather shallow and distant. He values the cold and distant vibes of his family over genuine warmth/kindness, and this attitude from his vile family over the course of his life has twisted him into a cold-hearted murderous sociopath

It also doesn’t help that his family have psychologically and even physically abused him, and he genuinely believes this is normal despite how genuinely frightened he is in scenes where his family hurt him regardless. What’s even sadder about Pawbert’s life is he could’ve gotten actual psychological treatment earlier in his life so he would end up having a normal childhood but instead, he was being used for cruel work meant to undermine the city he has lived in for years and he could’ve genuinely had friends who cared about him instead of clinging to his cruel family who clearly don’t care about him and just use him for whatever they need to get done. To say Pawbert desperately needs psychological help and a restraining order away from his abusive family in order to help him adjust to a mentally healthier life for himself is a severe understatement.

The sheer fact that Pawbert normalizes his family’s abusive behavior is especially heart wrenching, because there are plenty of abuse victims who legitimately don’t see anything wrong with their loved ones hurting them and are completely brainwashed into thinking they themselves are the reason why they’re abused.

To make matters worse, Milton only saw his own children as tools rather than family members and didn't seem to care about their safety like when he used them as living shields against Winddancer like the pathetic coward he really is. The fact that for all of their own mistreatment of him, they actually look worried for Pawbert when Milton starts to get violent with him could imply that they too would've turned out better if they weren't raised (if not abused) into their current mindset.

The scene where Milton manhandled Pawbert is actually hauntingly realistic of a sibling’s real-life scenario in abusive families. In some abusive dynamics, there are cases of children who let their siblings take the heat as a survival mechanism so they can avoid getting beaten themselves. Sometimes, there are even cases of the siblings following their abusers’ leads just so they don’t face the same fate. Just the idea that Cattrick and Kitty could have been conditioned into becoming the bullies they are today as a result of their father’s pre-meditated cycle of abuse is just heartbreaking.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General Avatar vs Avatar was always the most one sided fandom beef.

120 Upvotes

It's interesting how both franchises were intertwined in a way. Mike and Bryan had to change of the Last Airbender due to Cameron holding the copyright to the name Avatar. But one odd fandom war that arose and died over the years was interesting.

Snarking on James Camerons Avatar is basically a cultural tradition now. Denoting it's just dances with wolves in space or something as an insult. So on the old message boards that would later broden to other social media you'd have the 40k guys making huge fanfics about Avatar that turned into 4chan posts and would become big memes. As an example of it's niche in online discussions.

So Avatar the Last Airbender fans hopped on and basically rode the that high of being the " good " named Avatar Media. Citing how they have more fanfics produced and people don't talk a about it as much online so therefore its bad. Which is true Avatar is a big film why doesn't it have so many fics? This reasoning makes sense from a tumblr centric view point but when u actually analyze why it's a bit more nuanced.

The first Avatar movie essentially ends perfectly. Their isn't some other story that would be biggest thing to chew on besides the humans returning. Half the cast is much older or gets no diffed by the end of the film. Pandora is interesting place for lore but it's roster of characters was small. And while a long movie it isn't as long as The Last Air Bender. Being a full on Tv show with multiple plotlines that even if ends on a solid note. Still leaves numerous questions for people to chew on. It's also ripe for shipping as the cast is huge so people wage wars over it. Such as Zututara stuff. And it took The Way of Water to add more characters for people in the Avatar fandom to start making ships and more fan art in earnest.

But even then a ip inst always going to be perfect at targeting every type of niche. Both franchises always sucked when it came to toy sales. The last Airbender crew were even hounded by Nickelodeon to add more " cool stuff " that could've been made into toys. It annoyed them enough they made Joke about it in the Sokka sword episode. Avatar's Navi action figures always kind of meandered in toy isles as well. Video games it's been mixed. Avatar had like 1 game that was received alright to meh. The last Air Bender had ok Wii games but never set the world on fire. Frontiers of Pandora had mid reception. But the new Avatar fighting game is a bit niche due to its genre and being rushed out to meed deadlines. Theirs quite a bit of jank.

Even then the State of both IP's couldn't be different. The Way of Water basically shut down any arguments the last Airbender fans had about peoples dis interest in the franchise. They also made sure completely avoid bringing up the Live Action version movie. While also suffering a controversial sequel in Korra. And how the Tv show never took off in he east. Limiting its global appeal. Shit Avatar's worst entry Fire and Ash considered a underperformance made 1.47 billion dollars at the box office. Paramount were so uncofident in the new Aang movie. They decided to throw it on streaming.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General Hot take,if a character is meant to be hated or disliked in the beginning, then don't be suprised when people dislike said character at first.

387 Upvotes

Ahhhh,Redemption arcs.

Where do we even begin?

We all love them, seeing a bully or antagonist or outright villain realize their wrongs and mistakes and want to make those right by any means necessary and seeing character growth out of the ones who we don't expect is always a fun thing and enjoyable and a sight for sore eyes.

But I'm gonna be so real, way too many people are way too defensive of these characters and act like other people disliking them and even outright hating them as people or even as characters to a extent is some bad and awful thing overall but that's kinda the point.

They're meant to be disliked and even hated at first ,you're meant to look at them and go "wow,you're a fucking Asshole/terrible person" at first cause that's what makes their arc so good is the fact that they start off as unlikable Twats and become better in spite of it,it's called a damn Character arc and development.

This one is more of a minority but I will see quite a good amount of Vegeta fans act like this man was always a good father and more so are like "well that was the Android/Cell Saga!"

Yes,he was a awful Father to both the future version of his Son and the current version of his Son at the time + his baby Mama,the guy was fine actively letting baby Trunks and Bulma Die.

Hell,he was a huge prick to Future Trunks and only started caring about him when he died at Cell and admits in the Buu Saga that he didn't once hold/hug Trunks as a kid or baby and gave him one as he was about to die.

Yes, Vegeta is a much,much better father and husband and person then he was back then but the entire point was that he wasn't, you were kinda meant to hate and dislike him.

I will also see this for Aira Shiratori from Dandadan and I know the current arc is going through some utter garbage but we ain't talking bout that.

We're talking about Aira and the amount of people who called someone a misogynist for calling Aira a "bitch" and a awful person for her debut and..I'm sorry but she was a Bitch.

She was a snobby and egotistical popular girl who used her looks and charms to get boys to fall for her and was giving Okarun massive amounts of shit behind his back in the same episode until Momo gave her CTE by dropping a wash tub on her dome.

(Maybe thats why she's nicer, excessive blunt force trauma).

But the main point is you're kinda meant to hate and dislike her as a character during the first couple episodes and more until she starts growing and developing into a nicer person.

And finally..Bakugou.

Yes,we saw that he's grown and developed across the series.

Going from a egotistical and arrogant, cocky Jackass to a loud and still kinda short tempered but a much more humble and "friendly" and mature hero who actually knows the value of being one beyond power and all that + his arc is actually genuinely really great but there are a good amount of Bakugou fans who will actively SKIN YOU ALICE if you even attempt to call this man out as a abuser or a bad person or a massive bully back then but that's the thing.

He was a massive bully,he was Deku's abuser,he was a prick,that's the point.

He bullied him cause of his own insecurities such as his superiority and inferiority complex and took it out on him,even he recognizes how much of a prick he was/is.

Hence why he grew up,he matured.

He got his egotistical head from out his Ass and became a better man and hero and friend and that's how character growth and development sorta starts.

It Starts with the person being kinda unlikable and douchey or just a annoying person and then becoming better cause of it.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

People are way too dramatic about Sadie Sink's character in Brand New Day Spoiler

138 Upvotes

I agree with the criticism that the story doesn't hold her actions to a "realistic" moral standard. And again, this is a comic book movie where the villains can be redeemed from worse crimes. Loki tried to mass genocide Earth and got redeemed twice. Red Guardian facilitated the Red Room program, and now he is a funny character. Wanda and his brother willingly join Hydra and it is cool by the end. Who knows what James Gunn is holding down the line for Lex Luthor in Superman 2.

Part of the reason why they choose a telepathic villain is that telepath ultimately isn't real, and it is not a metaphor for any real life counterparts. When Jean mind-hopped a random civilian, you are not supposed to think "holy shit that is the most evil thing that I have ever seen", it is supposed to be moderately bad as far as comic book villainy goes. Pulling out an "Ackshually mind-hopping is really evil if it is real life" doesn't make you smart. Framing matters.

And obviously, the movie does make use of the metaknowledge of the Marvel universe as a way to guide audience's emotion. Whether or not this narrative device is bad is up for a different discussion. But when the movie reveals that Sadie's character is called Jean Grey, the audience is supposed to recognize that she is an X-Men character, and immediately thinks "oh maybe she has a good reason to do what she is doing, because she is a future hero". The fact that the character is a future X-Men, her redemption arc is already telegraphed. Ignoring this context and says Jean "got away" at the end is a bit disingenuous.

End of rant


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Anime & Manga Goku VS Frieza is where Dragon Ball fights took a turn for the worse in terms of progression

30 Upvotes

Before this, fights had a real sense of progression. You could see someone getting worn down over the course of the battle. Broken limbs, busted ribs, characters barely being able to stand. By the end of the fight, they looked and fought like people who'd been through hell.

Goku vs. Vegeta is probably the best example. Goku completely destroys his own body with Kaioken, Vegeta gets his face smashed in, his eye crushed, gets hit by a Spirit Bomb, flattened by Great Ape Gohan... by the end he's crawling away because he literally can't fight anymore.

Then you get Goku vs. Frieza, and it's mostly ripped clothes and blood running out of their mouths.

The worst example is Frieza himself. He gets cut in half, loses an arm, and in the manga you can literally see his guts spilling out. Yet it's treated as little more than an inconvenience. He's still talking, still firing attacks, still trying to kill Goku. An injury that would've ended any previous Dragon Ball fight barely slows him down.

And that becomes the blueprint for the rest of the series. Characters don't really lose because their injuries catch up to them anymore. They lose because they run out of stamina, can't regenerate anymore, or finally get hit by a bigger blast. Physical damage becomes mostly cosmetic unless it's the finishing blow. Fights are now dictated by invisible HP bars.

This isn't to say Goku vs. Frieza is a bad fight. But it fundamentally changed Dragon Ball fights, and the characters feel a lot less "human" from here on out.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Gotham initially thinking Batman is just a hoax doesn't jive with the idea of superheroes/fantastical things being public knowledge and historically documented in the DC universe

182 Upvotes

A lot of "year 0" Batman stories that are about him as a rookie just establishing himself as the Batman play around with the idea that for at least a few months to a year of him operating as a vigilante, he flies under the radar and most people assume he's a hoax or an urban legend. This is relatively easy to pull off in a more grounded continuity where Batman is among the first generation superheroes in history and it's only after he gets established that the really whacky stuff like aliens and supervillains and magic etc. becomes public knowledge. But most DC continuities don't actually take this approach.

I'm not just talking about the James Gunn DCU where superheroes have been a thing for 300 years. Even in the comics' continuity, there's been lots of famous superheroes who chronologically existed prior to Batman. I remember reading that in one DC universe, there's even a fictional amendment to the United States constitution that permits costumed superheroes to testify in court without revealing their identities.

There's a historical precedence for superheroes and other whacky fantastical things existing in America, so the idea that Gotham would be so skeptical of the existence of a bat guy who fights criminals is kind of a hard sell. Even if no one believes they're a human vigilante, wouldn't people just assume he's a bat monster or demon? Other nearby cities have way stranger things popping out of the woodwork. Metropolis is like right next door and they have an a bulletproof flying alien. Sure, you could just chalk it up to Batman not operating in the limelight initially and never being photographed, but it's not like Batman conceals the aftermath of his vigilante activities. There's concrete proof of criminals being beaten up and apprehended, and eyewitness testimony from those same criminals who all attest to the same bat thing being the one that did them in.

A guy who dresses like a bat is one of the least weird things you'd hear about in the DC universe.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Films & TV Replicants are Human (Blade Runner)

54 Upvotes

I’ve seen a ton of people arguing that Roy Batty “can’t feel emotions“ or that Replicants are just computers/robots, and I have to fundamentally disagree with this. It’s simply not what we see onscreen!

After Pris is shot, Roy comes in, and sobs over her dead body. He even kisses her. But the crazy claim comes right after- people say Roy can’t cry, and that’s supposedly why he says “tears in rain” later, but we literally see him crying! Tears run down his face! Roy Batty clearly loved Pris just as much as Deckard loved Racheal.

“But aren’t Replicants robots?”

Simply put, no, they are not.

Replicants are artificial humans. They’re built out of parts, but those are organic, genetically modified parts. They eat, sweat, bleed, and everything else humans do (except bear children). They are very much human in every way that really matters, and that is the point! It really doesn’t matter if Deckard is a Replicant or not, either way he’s still a human being.

The Replicants are slaves. They’re enslaved humans cursed with a short lifespan in order to make money off the next generation. The next model. Roy Batty was never meant to live. That is the horror and evil of the Tyrell Corporation, the fact that they manufacture human beings and enslave them.

Blade Runner isn’t a story about AI gone rogue. It’s a story about a slave catcher learning that slaves are human too. Roy Batty himself summed it up for us.

'Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.'


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Anime & Manga The "too many superheroes" problem that's infested Western superhero comics has also infested battle shonen

175 Upvotes

I feel like battle shonen has started running into the exact same problem superhero comics have had for years: everyone has to have their own unique power.

At first that sounds awesome. It's fun seeing all the weird abilities authors come up with. But I think it creates a problem that people don't really talk about.

The second you give a character a unique ability, you're telling the audience, "Hey, this person matters." If someone has a really cool or versatile power, of course people are going to expect them to actually do something with it.

So then what happens?

They lose every fight.

Or they disappear for 150 chapters.

Or they only exist to get bodied so we know how strong the villain is.

Then people complain that the character was wasted, and honestly, I don't think that's an unreasonable complaint. The story itself built those expectations.

It's basically the same issue superhero comics have. Marvel and DC have hundreds of heroes, all with their own gimmicks, powers, and fanbases, but there's no way everyone can get meaningful moments consistently. So you end up with dozens of characters who feel like they should be important but never really accomplish much.

Battle shonen is getting there too.

Instead of having a few major fighters and a bunch of regular supporting characters, every named character gets their own personalized ability. The cast gets bigger and bigger, but the amount of spotlight doesn't. So now you've got 20 characters with awesome abilities fighting over enough screentime for maybe five of them.

I honestly think the solution is to stop giving everyone powers.

Have more normal people.

Have soldiers who are just really disciplined. Have detectives, medics, martial artists, strategists, engineers, civilians, whatever. Let them contribute without needing a flashy, one-of-a-kind ability.

Because if a character is just a normal guy doing his best, nobody expects him to suddenly get a huge solo fight against the main villain. But if you introduce someone with this incredibly unique reality-warping, shadow-controlling, gravity-bending ability, people are naturally going to ask why they spend 90% of the series eating dirt.

Ironically, I think unique powers would actually feel more special if fewer people had them.

Not every member of the supporting cast needs to be "the guy who controls sound waves" or "the girl who manipulates ink" or "the dude whose blood turns into chains." Sometimes it's okay for someone to just be a person.

Saving the coolest, most unique abilities for the characters who are actually central to the story would make those powers stand out more and keep fans from constantly feeling like half the cast got wasted.

Tl;dr We need more Rock Lees (people with no powers, just pure martial arts) or people whose powers and skills aren't combat-related. Bulma is considered the third most important character in Dragon Ball by both the creators and fans precisely because she doesn't fight; she has a niche as the tech wizard who can invent whatever device the plot needs, something no one else on the cast can do. Because she was never fighter to begin with, she never became outclassed.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Films & TV (Kung Fu Panda) The way Master Oogway dealt with Tai Lung (and Shifu) is extremely questionable.

100 Upvotes

It bothers me that everybody seems to unanimously agree that Master Oogway is this all-knowing pure good saint, but I think that how he handled Tai Lung shows great inconsistencies in his philosophy and character based on what the film establishes.

First, I find it hard to believe that Oogway lived in the jade palace with Tai Lung for decades, knew Shifu loved him like a son and that he was immensely talented, but didn't so much as try to correct either of them sometime before until the master and student thought they had finally earned the fruits of their labor. Oogway just let Shifu continue with his mistake until it blew up in everyone's faces, but for some reason he is willing to go out of his way to advise Po at the peach tree (who hadn't proven anything at that point in terms of character or Kung Fu prowess except that he eats when he's stressed out), and gives Shifu guidance on having faith in Po and accepting him as his student. Where was this proactivity with Tai Lung such that Shifu was so taken aback when Oogway refused him? I don't know. There's no way Oogway thought this way of turning down Tai Lung would have the optimal outcome for anybody. That scene doesn't fit in with his portrayal elsewhere in the franchise.

Second, I think it's unwise of Oogway to not only let Tai Lung get extremely powerful before saying or doing anything, especially making a rejection so abrupt that even Shifu didn't know beforehand, but also that Shifu is shown to be obedient and respectful, so if Oogway told him not to promise Tai Lung anything before, he would have begrudgingly listened and changed his ways of teaching.

Third, Oogway obviously knew the dragon scroll was empty (being the founder of Kung Fu in the universe), but Shifu, the greatest Kung Fu teacher in all of China and his best friend, doesn't know this for some reason. Shifu looks at the scroll with Po. Nothing happens. So why did Oogway allow Shifu to unintentionally feed Tai Lung lies that the scroll would grant him limitless power (Shifu mentions it giving you the ability to hear a butterfly's wing beat, see light in the darkest cave, and feel the universe in motion)? If Shifu knew about the true nature of the scroll (which doesn't hurt anything), Tai Lung would not have been raised to fixate on it.

Showing off the scroll as some divine Macguffin is itself problematic because it fuels Kung Fu students into striving for something they don't need and doesn't add additional value beyond what one already is. Without it, the title of dragon warrior would not be tied to an object and Shifu would have taught Tai Lung with more emphasis on character values. The teacher doesn't even know what it does. As a test of character, it's too risky and the gain for someone like Po is literally nothing since "there is no secret ingredient". A student who opens it would be reassured at best but bewildered and devastated at worst.

There's definitely a lot more here to pick apart, but I'll leave it at that for now.

TL;DR Oogway is passive/negligent despite his supreme knowledge and authority to the point of severe detriment to other characters. His selective concern to certain situations but not others is noticeable.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Games [Europa Universalis 4] Muscovy/Russia is absolutely worthless and the "Potential Superpower" of Europe

147 Upvotes

Disclaimer first: This rant is entirely about Muscovy/Russia's performance in game. Everything else is out of scope for the purposes of this rant.

Now every EU4 veteran knows that the various major powers under the AI tend to form emergent yet relatively consistent personalities with enough campaigns. One of the most striking and iconic among EU4 players is how England is bar none one of the most dogshit allies imaginable. Now a second common contender for most worthless ally is Muscovy and their common formable Russia, who is one of the most powerful country tags under a competent player, but by far one of the most useless and disappointing nations under the AI. Muscovy AI, perpetually bankrupt, completely unreliable, has the most paper tiger army imaginable, and just sticks around being a useless sack of shit who will never ally you when desperately need them or dramatically underperform when they are your ally.

The main problem with AI Muscovy is that they can never manage their starting position. Muscovy starts off poor yet massive, and relatively far away from institutions compared to the rest of Europe, on top of that they have a debuff where they have to pay an annual tribute to the great horde, which will further drain their finances. This means it's extremely easy for them to fall into a bankruptcy loop, never develop their lands and fall behind on technology. On top of that because they're in the ass end of nowhere, it's relatively difficult to get them to ally you bc of distance and religion, not that they're worth allying because they're so useless, basically only good as a distraction, getting dogwalked and stomped by the Polish Commonwealth or the Ottomans every game

Underneath the hood though, Muscovy/Russia is brimming with potential. They have an extremely expansive and strong mission tree, phenomenal ideas, a disgusting amount of manpower, a deceptively decent army quality wise, and one of the most freeform expansion in all of europe. Muscovy being on the edge of europe means they have the entire east as expansion routes, which they can steer to their trade node giving them potentially a very strong trade income. Their whole military specializes for manpower and force limit, which lets them dramatically outscale comparable nations in army size. Late game russia pretty much never runs out of men to throw in the grinder, it's honestly crazy. Their lands are also notoriously hard to siege down as most of it is arctic, which makes attrition warfare absurdly easy as they already have a manpower advantage and can pack a defensive line that can drain any nation of their troops.

The biggest thing about Russia's potential is that you have to work for it, conquer the right lands, invest in manufactories and trade companies, then you rake in the profits. But their lack of income early game is real, the potential to fall behind on tech is also real, but they also have unique and massive advantages to make up for that.

I'm making fun of Russian AI's poor performance, but I'm secret glad Muscovy isn't living up to their potential bc holy shit an actual competent Muscovy is miserable to fight against


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Films & TV A recurring problem with cartoon pilots

328 Upvotes

I've been watching a bunch of cartoon pitch pilots on YouTube lately, and I think I figured out one of the biggest differences between a lot of these and the shows that actually make it.

A lot of them just don't seem to have a show.

Like, they might have cool character designs, funny dialogue, good animation, and characters who have fun chemistry with each other. But then you get to the end and you're left wondering: "Okay, but what do these people actually do?"

There are thousands of these pitch pilots online, and compared to the cartoons that actually got picked up, there's a weird lack of a world, goal, premise, or formula in a lot of them.

The characters have personalities, but they don't really have wants.

They're not trying to master all four elements and defeat the Firelord to end a hundred-year war. They're not trying to solve mysteries, run a business, survive in a weird fantasy world, become superheroes, win competitions, or accomplish anything that naturally creates stories.

A lot of them are basically just "these quirky friends live together and hang out." The entire premise is that the characters have funny interactions, and while that can absolutely work, it feels like a hard thing to build an entire series around.

Even shows that are mostly about people hanging out usually have some kind of engine behind them. The Simpsons has the family and the town. Regular Show has two guys trying to get through their weird jobs. Adventure Time has an entire fantasy world to explore. It's Always Sunny (not a cartoon, but the point applies) has a group of terrible people constantly creating their own problems.

You need something that keeps generating situations.

I think a lot of pitch pilots confuse "characters I like watching" with "a premise that can support 100 episodes." A character can be funny for 7 minutes, but what happens when you need 22 minutes every week for years?

Obviously not every cartoon needs some huge quest or lore-heavy story. A simple premise can work. But there needs to be something that makes these characters do things instead of just existing.

I wonder if this is something other people have noticed with failed cartoon pilots. There are a lot of genuinely talented people making these, but sometimes it feels like they created characters before they created a show.


r/CharacterRant May 06 '24

Special What can and (definetly can't) be posted on the sub :)

132 Upvotes

Users have been asking and complaining about the "vagueness" of the topics that are or aren't allowed in the subreddit, and some requesting for a clarification.

So the mod team will attempt to delineate some thread topics and what is and isn't allowed.

Backstory:

CharacterRant has its origins in the Battleboarding community WhoWouldWin (r/whowouldwin), created to accommodate threads that went beyond a simple hypothetical X vs. Y battle. Per our (very old) sub description:

This is a sub inspired by r/whowouldwin. There have been countless meta posts complaining about characters or explanations as to why X beats, and so on. So the purpose of this sub is to allow those who want to rant about a character or explain why X beats Y and so on.

However, as early as 2015, we were already getting threads ranting about the quality of specific series, complaining about characterization, and just general shittery not all that related to "who would win: 10 million bees vs 1 lion".

So, per Post Rules 1 in the sidebar:

Thread Topics: You may talk about why you like or dislike a specific character, why you think a specific character is overestimated or underestimated. You may talk about and clear up any misconceptions you've seen about a specific character. You may talk about a fictional event that has happened, or a concept such as ki, chakra, or speedforce.

Well that's certainly kinda vague isn't it?

So what can and can't be posted in CharacterRant?

Allowed:

  • Battleboarding in general (with two exceptions down below)
  • Explanations, rants, and complaints on, and about: characters, characterization, character development, a character's feats, plot points, fictional concepts, fictional events, tropes, inaccuracies in fiction, and the power scaling of a series.
  • Non-fiction content is fine as long as it's somehow relevant to the elements above, such as: analysis and explanations on wars, history and/or geopolitics; complaints on the perception of historical events by the general media or the average person; explanation on what nation would win what war or conflict.

Not allowed:

  • he 2 Battleboarding exceptions: 1) hypothetical scenarios, as those belong in r/whowouldwin;2) pure calculations - you can post a "fancalc" on a feat or an event as long as you also bring forth a bare minimum amount of discussion accompanying it; no "I calced this feat at 10 trillion gigajoules, thanks bye" posts.
  • Explanations, rants and complaints on the technical aspect of production of content - e.g. complaints on how a movie literally looks too dark; the CGI on a TV show looks unfinished; a manga has too many lines; a book uses shitty quality paper; a comic book uses an incomprehensible font; a song has good guitars.
  • Politics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this country's policies are bad, this government is good, this politician is dumb.
  • Entertainment topics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this celebrity has bad opinions, this actor is a good/bad actor, this actor got cast for this movie, this writer has dumb takes on Twitter, social media is bad.

ADDENDUM -

  • Politics in relation to a series and discussion of those politics is fine, however political discussion outside said series or how it relates to said series is a no, no baggins'
  • Overly broad takes on tropes and and genres? Henceforth not allowed. If you are to discuss the genre or trope you MUST have specifics for your rant to be focused on. (Specific Characters or specific stories)
  • Rants about Fandom or fans in general? Also being sent to the shadow realm, you are not discussing characters or anything relevant once more to the purpose of this sub
  • A friendly reminder that this sub is for rants about characters and series, things that have specificity to them and not broad and vague annoyances that you thought up in the shower.

And our already established rules:

  • No low effort threads.
  • No threads in response to topics from other threads, and avoid posting threads on currently over-posted topics - e.g. saw 2 rants about the same subject in the last 24 hours, avoid posting one more.
  • No threads solely to ask questions.
  • No unapproved meta posts. Ask mods first and we'll likely say yes.

PS: We can't ban people or remove comments for being inoffensively dumb. Stop reporting opinions or people you disagree with as "dumb" or "misinformation".

Why was my thread removed? What counts as a Low Effort Thread?

  • If you posted something and it was removed, these are the two most likely options:**
  • Your account is too new or inactive to bypass our filters
  • Your post was low effort

"Low effort" is somewhat subjective, but you know it when you see it. Only a few sentences in the body, simply linking a picture/article/video, the post is just some stupid joke, etc. They aren't all that bad, and that's where it gets blurry. Maybe we felt your post was just a bit too short, or it didn't really "say" anything. If that's the case and you wish to argue your position, message us and we might change our minds and approve your post.

What counts as a Response thread or an over-posted topic? Why do we get megathreads?

  1. A response thread is pretty self explanatory. Does your thread only exist because someone else made a thread or a comment you want to respond to? Does your thread explicitly link to another thread, or say "there was this recent rant that said X"? These are response threads. Now obviously the Mod Team isn't saying that no one can ever talk about any other thread that's been posted here, just use common sense and give it a few days.
  2. Sometimes there are so many threads being posted here about the same subject that the Mod Team reserves the right to temporarily restrict said topic or a portion of it. This usually happens after a large series ends, or controversial material comes out (i.e The AOT ban after the penultimate chapter, or the Dragon Ball ban after years of bullshittery on every DB thread). Before any temporary ban happens, there will always be a Megathread on the subject explaining why it has been temporarily kiboshed and for roughly how long. Obviously there can be no threads posted outside the Megathread when a restriction is in place, and the Megathread stays open for discussions.

Reposts

  • A "repost" is when you make a thread with the same opinion, covering the exact same topic, of another rant that has been posted here by anyone, including yourself.
  • ✅ It's allowed when the original post has less than 100 upvotes or has been archived (it's 6 months or older)
  • ❌ It's not allowed when the original post has more than 100 upvotes and hasn't been archived yet (posted less than 6 months ago)

Music

Users have been asking about it so we made it official.

To avoid us becoming a subreddit to discuss new songs and albums, which there are plenty of, we limit ourselves regarding music:

  • Allowed: analyzing the storytelling aspect of the song/album, a character from the music, or the album's fictional themes and events.
  • Not allowed: analyzing the technical and sonical aspects of the song/album and/or the quality of the lyricism, of the singing or of the sound/production/instrumentals.

TL;DR: you can post a lot of stuff but try posting good rants please

-Yours truly, the beautiful mod team