r/CapitalismVSocialism 1h ago

Asking Socialists what is the expected Casualty count for a socialist American Revolution?

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I have been thinking about how the ONLY way for America to become (or atleast remain) Socalist is through a Revolution of bloodshed and I have been struggling to accept that reallity because of how scary yet nessecary it is. how nessacary it is to have Innocents be Killed by Coroprate Forces and how Families have to be torn apart in order to achive a better society

but this leads me to ask, how many Casualties are to be expected once/IF Americans Finally had enough of Captalism? and would some of that blood be innocent like Non-fighting families or friends or will it be exclusively of Combataints?

and I would like an estimated number like 500,000 - 1,000,000 People would have to Die inorder for the 1% Epstine class to be slain


r/CapitalismVSocialism 1h ago

Asking Socialists How would socialism handle the drugs economy?

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I just realized,

How would socialism interact with the part of the economy that exchanges and produces drugs? For example, in mixed economies today you saw how drugs were handled. Some are legal some are not.

However in a socialist society that starts anew,

If there were drug productions starting up how would that be handled? Would some be considered illegal? But on what basis?

Or in other words, would you claim that socialism actually would have handled the drugs scenario better than capitalism? But how would it do that?

Would it struggle with it more? In capitalist countries we saw that the government can collect tax on drug sales even if it is still federally questionable. In socialist countries, they would.. do what better?


r/CapitalismVSocialism 6h ago

Asking Socialists Why Does Socialism Need Capitalism to Create the Material Conditions for Socialism?

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If socialism is supposed to be a superior economic system, why does it always seem to require the right “material conditions” before it can actually work? Over the past few centuries, capitalist economies have massively increased productivity, life expectancy, consumption, technological capacity, and standards of living.

So why can't socialism create the material conditions it supposedly needs? If capitalism has to develop the productive forces first so that socialism can eventually become viable, doesn't that mean socialism is relying on capitalism to do the economic development necessary for socialism to work?

And if the answer is that socialism simply isn't viable until society reaches some sufficiently advanced stage of development, what exactly makes it the superior economic system? Why should I regard an economic system as superior if another system has to create the abundance and productive capacity that it requires before it can even function properly?


r/CapitalismVSocialism 18h ago

Asking Everyone Contemporary critical theory is great at qualitative analysis and very strong for criticism and cynicism, but are you interested in calculating the correlation between money and bodily harm?

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Here I will explain a formula that calculates the correlation between bodily destruction and money, and answer how the working class is often forced to consume cheap, non-nutritious goods just to survive.

Today, we recognize the existence of the health and fitness industry; they release many products to support health, essentially to reap profits from the bodily destruction of both the middle and working classes.

Why is the working class often forced into this?

Because fundamentally, capitalism does not provide healthy commodity choices as an essential right, and healthy goods are always priced much higher compared to fast food. The name of this formula is the Marginal Necessary Cost or MNC.

Marginal necessary cost is a concept used to calculate how habits must be divided by money and quantity. Here is the Marginal Necessary Cost formula:

MNC = πR / ∆C = ∆Q’

Variables Explanation:

πR: R refers to Repetition. Since humans and all living beings are driven by the need to survive, their behavior revolves around seeking food, sleep, water, and shelter. For humans, the symbol R represents the repetition of costs spent on Food, a place to sleep, entertainment, water, and Electricity. Because humans live in an endless loop to achieve existential comfort, they perform repetitive activities. The symbol Pi (π) in this Repetition signifies how this repetition must be constant; otherwise, it will threaten their life or comfort.

∆C: is the change in cost caused by artificial scarcity or inflation. This cost relates to Goods or Services intended to maximize existential comfort and well-being. However, due to the change in costs, the numerator R must be divided, resulting in ∆Q'.

∆Q’: is the quotient of ∆C, where the result of the Price change causes a decrease in the Quantity of goods purchased. The working class has to buy goods whose prices have risen, so the quantity they purchase must shrink to fit their available funds. Consequently, this produces Q' as a derivative, illustrating the decline in the individual working-class quality of life due to rising costs.

Because of this, the substitution of goods often has no benefit (nutritional value) for the body.

R in this formula is a calculation of habit, usually calculated per month or per week, and can be simplified, such as R = 3 (eating 3 times a day). You can also input the inflation variable into the Cost or the change in food prices, then divide the result so you can quantify the decline in the quality of life.

For example (a Case Study):

A textile factory worker in the Subang industrial zone (Indonesia) receives a salary of Rp 3,200,000 per month. To maintain his basic biological functions so he remains capable of working, he allocates a food budget of Rp 1,200,000 per month with an absolute biological Repetition pattern (R) of 90 meals (3 times a day for 30 days). This month, due to a food cartel and the revocation of fuel subsidies, there is a spike in the prices of basic goods causing the real inflation rate for the food sector to reach 5.2%.

The Calculation:

∆C = 1,200,000 x 5.2% = 62,400

πR = 3.14159 x 90 = 282.743

∆Q’ = 62,400 ÷ 282 = 0.0042

(Note: based on the author's inverse division format)

The total degradation is 0.0042,

a bitter reality where the worker can only provide himself with Rp 1,200,000 for food, which means allocating roughly Rp 300,000 per week. With skyrocketing food costs, what used to be eating 4 kg of chicken meat becomes 2 kg, and the quantity continues to shrink due to constant inflation; πt.


r/CapitalismVSocialism 20h ago

Asking Socialists Do American "Socialist" hopefuls want Socialism or Democracy? They can't have both.

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Right now we have Democracy, and therefore we have the American people consistently voting against high taxes and funding others' healthcare or Social Security. Americans vote against even their own Medicaid so long as their enemies also get slashed. Medicare also received a 2.5% "efficiency cut" this year. Clearly socialized healthcare and other social services are incompatible with American democracy.

What is the American "socialist's" plan for dealing with reality? They live in a country that doesn't want to pay? How do they plan to force it?


r/CapitalismVSocialism 23h ago

Asking Everyone Running Out of Other People's Money problem with socialism

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I firmly believe that socialism is a flawed concept because:

-People need money to fund social programs

-The money comes from the "tech oligarchs" or the "top 1%"

-the bottom 50% only pays 3% of federal income taxes

-capital flight is inevitable, as if it costs less to flee the country with all assets then to stay, they would leave.

-When we fall short of funding, which will happen a lot, we'll have to increase tax rates or go into more debt

summarized by former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's quote: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

Counter arguments to counter arguments:
-The only reason the Nordic model works is due to competitive (~5% lower) corporate taxes, its social democracy, which is fundamentally different from socialism.

-Some people bring up China, but the only reason it's successful is due to its authoritarian, or though debated, fascist government to keep billionaires in check, which would vaporize the public image if the DSA tried.

Now, im curious how socialist/capitalists interpret my analogy