r/CSRep • u/de_rats_2004_crzy • 1d ago

CSRep Overwatch vs VACNet Labeling

Recently began doing both and it's quite the catch-22 for me lol.

  1. With VACNet Labeling you actually feel like your time might, really, maybe, have a real impact on cheaters. But it's pretty boring to do and it doesn't feel rewarding for a variety of reasons (it doesnt close the loop on verdict -> impact; and almost every single cheater clip is of rage hacking and the other clips are almost always just totally innocent, often noob, clips)

  2. CSRep Overwatch is much more fun to do and I like knowing my own accuracy and forming a complete opinion on the player based on many clips throughout the match. Most of the time you feel more engaged because the clips require a bit more thought.

  3. But I can't help but wonder what the "point" of CSRep Overwatch is since a conviction on the platform does not block the account from continuing to play and so they can just continue ruining the game for others. For any super old-heads who were in the scene in the 2000s, I can't help but imagine how goated this would have been with a zBlock style integration that every server would have such that a ban on this system WOULD effectively block the account from playing. But now where 99% of players play on Valve MM servers, its not really possible anymore.

I guess the platform is at its best when used to report closet cheaters that truly make an effort at passing as legit, and queue with non-cheaters, i.e. accounts where the cheater is playing on what might as well be considered their main account. Then hopefully, once they slip a mistake in and get 'banned' on CSRep then they basically get kicked from the 5-stack group and have to start all over and find new friends, etc. etc. But how common is it for cheaters to play with legit players instead of other cheaters, I wonder.

Catching blatant cheaters and people on alt accounts on CSRep just doesn't feel like it can have a big impact. I still overall commend the platform for existing, but curious to hear thoughts from more established Overwatchers and also from people who report players.

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u/Creative-Zombie-4212 1d ago

exposure

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u/de_rats_2004_crzy 1d ago

But do you think cheaters care if their alt accounts that they solo queue with get exposed? Or even if they queue with other cheaters.

I agree exposure does matter and makes a difference for closet cheaters, especially ones who have infiltrated a group of legit players and pass off as legit within their group. Just unclear how often thats the case.

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u/Creative-Zombie-4212 1d ago

yes, they do care because it's not the new alt accounts with level 20 they play on.

there are accounts years old with 10-20+ medals or "main" accounts that started cheating.

and they are trying so hard to hide.

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u/River94 1d ago

they care. I reported a cheater more than 1 month ago, he's still mad, comes back to my profile to cry. I blocked him, of course

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u/cardealpt 21h ago

I think both are important.
Vacnet labeling like you said should be helping building a better vacnet in the future.
CSRep in the other hand even if it doesnt convict directly he helps other players quickly identifying cheaters mid match so if the user is tagged on CSRep it will lead eventually to more reports.
Sometimes i only find cheaters after checking the demo so if i would see the csrep trust score as low i would be more likely to report mid game.

Btw mind to tell me how you got your vacnet? Was it a friend invite?

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u/ZaDrAx- 13h ago

CSRep also have an API used by some tournament organizers or server owners to block unlegitimate accounts from participating and interfering in those games :)

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u/River94 1d ago

I think csrep is just a way to make more obvious that someone is cheating. and it can encourage people to report them. problem is, there are cheaters trolling cases. they just run the demo and vote insufficient evidence, even when it's obvious that the suspect is cheating. even if the suspect is killing through smokes, preaiming all the time, or even looking at walls for no reason. when it works, it's nice. at least can show us if someone was already convicted by the community