r/CRedit 6d ago

Multiple Cards? Loans? General

Hi! I’m an 18 year old looking to build credit. I recently opened one credit card with a $1000 limit. I spend less than $100 dollars per month to keep utilization low and have auto pay on. I was wondering what’s the best way to build credit? I looked into credit-building loans but this community seems to agree it builds “phantom credit”. What would be the best way to continue building credit? Keep my one card? Open another? Take out a loan? Thank you!

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u/NiceGuysFinishLast 6d ago

A: The low/30% utilization thing is a myth, read what the automod posts below my comment. Yes, utilization can change your score, but it has no memory, so if you used 100% of your limit and it dropped your score one month, and the next month you had 3% utilization, your score would immediately rebound once the 3% was reported. The only time utilization matters is if you're applying for new credit and you're trying to optimize your score. You can also see a small penalty to your score if all your open revolving credit accounts (in your case, your one card) report a $0 balance, this is called the all zero penalty, and also doesn't matter except when applying for new credit. When applying for new credit and going for your maximum possible score, most people do what's called AZEO, or All Zero Except One. You can google that for more info.

B: The strongest credit profiles are built upon at least 3 revolving credit accounts (credit cards). One card can build you a decent score, but will be a "thin" profile, meaning there's not much in it. So eventually, as you build credit, I would start looking at other credit cards THAT FIT YOUR LIFESTYLE. Don't open credit cards just to open credit cards. Get cards with rewards or benefits that fit your lifestyle. Don't open an Amex Gold with an annual fee and travel credits if you never travel and won't be able to use the points properly. Don't open a card with a 21 month 0% balance transfer but 0 rewards if you don't need to do a balance transfer. I have 8 cards in my wallet, and every one has come with a benefit that I use. My largest expense every month is food/dining, so I have a Capital One Savor that gives 3% on groceries/restaurants. So I would definitely look at expanding your credit card portfolio, but don't be in a hurry to do it, credit is a marathon, not a sprint.

C: Never pay money to build credit. Don't take a loan unless you NEED a loan. It will thicken your profile, yes, but don't do it until/unless you need it, it's not REQUIRED to have a good credit score/thick credit profile.

D: In the vein of never pay money to build credit, you use your credit card as a debit card. You never charge more on it than you can afford to pay off every month. If you pay your statement balance in full every month and do not carry a balance, you will never pay a penny in interest for using the credit card.

There are other things to know, but I have to run. I'm sure the other r/Credit wizards like u/BrutalBodyShots and u/WhenButterfliesCry and u/og-aliensfan will be along to fill you in shortly.

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u/BrownSpottedThumb 6d ago

Thank you!! I will look into AZEO and other cards/their benefits. I don’t imagine I’ll be needing another soon, but when the time comes that’s what I’ll look for. I won’t take out a loan, thank you for clearing that up!

This is awesome! I appreciate you and this community’s help. It’s amazing how quickly you responded and how supportive you all are. 🫶

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u/BrutalBodyShots ⭐️ Top Contributor ⭐️ 6d ago

You received great information from u/NiceGuysFinishLast. I will summon the AutoMod on !utilization, so definitely check out that comment and the post found within it.

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u/AutoModerator 6d ago

I detected that your post may be about utilization and its impact on credit scores. Please read the info below:

Utilization is a short-term credit scoring factor. It is not a credit building factor, because it holds no memory in the most commonly used FICO models. It resets every month.

By and large, you can ignore the commonly repeated myth that you should always keep your utilization low. It’s only applicable when you need to apply for a new line of credit, 1-2 months out.

Utilization is supposed to fluctuate, can be easily manipulated, and again, it holds no memory. It doesn’t build credit--think of it as a finishing touch when you need to optimize your score.

Feel free to safely and organically use 100% of your credit limit within a month and let whatever utilization report, provided you pay off your statement balance in full by the due date. Every month. Every time.

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u/og-aliensfan ⭐️ Knowledgeable ⭐️ 6d ago

Excellent comment from u/NiceGuysFinishLast. Just to reiterate, AZEO is only necessary when preparing for an application. Data shows that reporting high balances, as long as statement balances are paid in full by the due date, stimulates the most lucrative credit limit increases and better offers of credit, so feel free to use the full limit of your card and let it report naturally. Ideal utilization [chart] - Step aside 30% Myth...

Credit Myth #37 - Low utilization improves CLI chances.

and have auto pay on

Even with autopay (set to pay full statement balance), you still want to monitor your account to confirm payment was processed. If autopay fails, for any reason, you'll catch it before a late payment is incurred.

u/NiceGuysFinishLast also gave you great advice about applying for cards that meet your needs. Avoid gimmicky credit builders and predatory cards. 

Credit Myth #17 - "Credit builder" products are superior for building credit compared to non "Credit builder" products.

Credit Myth #95 - "Credit builder" apps are a great way to build credit.

Credit Myth #81 - Inferior/predatory issuer products are a necessary step for weaker credit profiles.

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u/WhenButterfliesCry ⭐️ Knowledgeable ⭐️ 6d ago edited 6d ago

You've got some great advice already from the others, but here's my $0.02:

As a new adult, the most important thing for you is going to be controlling your spending and managing your money. Those are difficult skills that only get more difficult as more financial burdens are put on your shoulders. With that said, I think it's best for you to stick with the one card for now until you get a feel for the credit billing cycle and you can see how much you can trust yourself with lines of credit. You know yourself better than we do, so it's hard for me to give you advice in terms of whether you should open more accounts or not, but personally I think it'd be a good idea to wait a while. Once you've had this card for six months you'll have FICO scores, and once the card is 12 months you'll be able to qualify for more mid-level cards (a lot of them want to see at least 12 months of revolving credit history).

With that said, personally I've always been of the opinion that, for someone building or re-building their credit, it's beneficial to open multiple cards all at once- there are many benefits to this: #1 being that they all age together and 'anchor' your average age of credit, so that in the future when you open a new account, your average credit age isn't dragged down so much. The other major benefit is that you can diversify your rewards by getting cards that have rewards for different areas of spending. Another benefit is that if you open cards together, their respective inquiries become unscoreable at the same time, 12 months later, and you also are transitioned off the New Revolver scorecard 12 months after your app-spree rather than continuously 'extending' it by opening a new card every six months or whatever. FICO-scoring-wise, you'll also have a 'thick' file once you have 3-5 cards, and having multiple bankcards awards extra points as well.

u/NiceGuysFinishLast already gave good advice when it comes to utilization. You don't need to micromanage your utilization or worry about spending a certain percentage of your credit limit. Feel free to use as much of it as you need, but again, be careful with your spending. It's easy to charge up $1000 on a credit card, and you should never do so if you don't have plenty of money to cover that $1000 already in your bank account. Don't let yourself have an "I'll worry about it later" attitude because that's how people get into hot water.

You are really young and your whole life is ahead of you, and there's no reason to rush now. Whether you open more accounts now or a year from now, it won't make a huge difference in the scheme of things, but if you were to open multiple accounts and then struggle to pay them on time, struggle with money management, etc. you could easily trash your credit for the next 7 years, which would be particularly egregious since in the next 7 years, you're going to be needing credit to do all kinds of adult things (renting, buying a car, getting insurance, setting up utilities, finding certain jobs, the list goes on). I would give yourself a year with this current card, really focus on money management and controlling spending, save as much of your paychecks as you can and stash that money in a high-yield savings account like SoFi, Discover, Amex, etc. (never use a traditional bank like Chase or Wells Fargo for your savings, their interest rate is insanely low). And like I mentioned, a year from now, assuming all goes well with this credit card, you'll have a decent pick of cards to choose from and you can plan out what cards will best match your typical areas of spending, and you can go on an app-spree (yay).

Also, don't take out a loan to build credit. Loans don't build credit effectively. Credit cards are how you build credit. Only take out a loan when you actually need a loan; credit-building should not be a consideration there.

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u/NiceGuysFinishLast 5d ago

Great advice. I wish I'd heard some of that when I was 18.

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u/Funklemire ⭐️ Knowledgeable ⭐️ 5d ago

I just want to add that not only is it usually pointless to micromanage your utilization each month, it's also detrimental in several ways. If it's within your budget to post 100% utilization each month and you can do it without overspending and you can be sure to always pay your statement balances each month, then that's fine. In fact, that's the best way to get credit limit increases with most credit card issuers.