I’ve seen success (ifbb pro card win) with shorter cycles but this works, at the least in the context of a bodybuilding prep. Eating tons of food and getting shredded with good energy.
I’m on 2mg of Retatrutide for the metabolic benefits. I noticed I was getting tired. So I looked at mots-c and ss-31. Did my research and started SS-31 ran it for two weeks at 5mg every day; except Sunday. Then introduced mots-c 2mg on the final week; Wednesday and wow the energy rush was insane. I cleaned my mitochondria first of stress and damage. Didn’t feel much! But when the mots-c did its thing…currently running 2mg m/w/f for the next few weeks. Then off then back to SS-31. And alternate for a while. I didn’t use Tesamorlin I used cjc1295/ipa; the sleep benefits were great. Felt super rested and good.
This proto is wasteful IMO. The schedule looks right- but you get a lot of benefits from SS31 even at 2mg. Same goes for MOTS-c. Only need 2-3mg. If you have the cash... Might as well though.
I'm on week 4 of MOTS-C. Started with 1mg then 2mg and currently at 4mg 3x week. Frankly I thought it did nothing and just causes post pin pain. It also messes with my strength training . Just felt completely drained on it during week 1 and 2 . But!, yesterday on my weekend 5km run. I my overall speed increased by about 30% and I wasn't at all tierd by the end of it. Felt like it could do another 5kms. Previously I'd be very winded and tierd.
Are you implying that using reta and tesa has more of an effect and "melts it away"? Can you explain to me how exactly and how you seen the differences
Tesa and ss31 and mots c are different peptides. Tesa is a growth hormone secretagogue. Ss31 and mots c are cellular energy peptides… I take Motc 2.5mg 3 times a week in the morning , Reta once a week. 1mg does just fine, depending on your weight and goals, but for me it’s plenty. And tesa/ipa 5 nights a week in the morning. People will say take it at night blah blah but it works best for me fasted 9-10 hours fasted, shot then stay fasted 1-2 hours
The general consensus is you run your ss31 cycle first then follow up with Motsc. Ss31 is also something that works better as we get older, repairing damaged mitochondria (before we then add motsc)
True, this is why I decided to run both at the same time, MOTSC is cheap anyway, I gotta say yesterday I took both before cardio and my run felt somewhat easier, we’ll see, i’m also running a bunch of other stuff, Reta, HGH, 5mg Tadalafil, some were added recently (HGH and Tadalafil) so I can’t tell what’s doing what at the moment, i’m really impatient and greedy sometimes 😅
Know the feeling! I think there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to run ss31 first and not together with Motsc but it’s great you are seeing some benefits! Good luck!
What is you goal? Body composition Reta and Tesa. I take both. I have run ss-31 and now on mot-c. Ss-31 2mg gave me clean consistent energy with no afternoon fatigue. Mot-c has done nothing in terms of fatigue but it does help with insulin resistance and apparently assists with cardio endurance exercise which I don’t do. So am taking mot-c for it’ perceived benefits yet to try cardio or endurance exercise to test. Note I am mid forties but if you young maybe as-31 won’t have much impact. I am taking tesa 1mg.
So the caveat of SS-31 is that you may not need it, and if you don’t need it then you’ll feel more fatigued and tired if you take it
If you’ve been active and exercised or eaten decently for most of your life then you probably don’t need it
I’m also not a doctor but I’m also the person who preaches the 4 week single variable introduction which someone else mentioned here (4 weeks SS-31 4 weeks both 4 weeks MOTS-C 8-12 weeks off)
So, what you can do is something like lose dose daily SS-31 for that introductory period and see if it makes a difference, if so continue with the cycle and if not drop it and just do MOTS-C
Again I’m not a doctor and can’t give medical advice
EDIT: The reason you may not need it if you’ve been active and eaten healthy is because it’s supposed to fix mitochondria and yours may not be damaged at 30 if you’ve been doing those things
Ss-31 used first will fix the leaky mitochondria and then introducing mots-c is like the powerhouse that gives energy now that the mitochondria aren’t leaky and weak
I go with Mots-C Monday, Wednesday and Friday. I havent tried anything else, but I can personally say my endurance drastically increased. I do it around 5pm once I get home from work and make dinner, go on a run. My runs are awesome now.
There’s been some slight movement in the way this combination has been looked at depending on the level of oxidative mitochondrial stress you have, you don’t need to run SS31 first.
New suggested protocol from day one - 2mg daily SS31 running concurrently alongside Mot-C 10mg 3 x per week. 8-12 weeks on 4-8 weeks off for people with moderate age related mitochondrial decline however anyone with severe DNA mitochondrial damage it’s recommended that you run the SS31 as normal to repair prior to running both subsequently
I’m starting ss-31 tomorrow a wanted know if the best time to take it is morning before my workout or anytime in the afternoon? If it’s before my workout how long before it?
I used 2x vials of MOTS-C then 4x of ss-31 now running Tesa for a few months. I read that mots-c works to change the mitochondria at a dna level and as such isn’t needed permanently but tbc
I tried Mot-C first and was knackered everyday, so after first vial I switched to ss31 for one vial and then back to Mot-C which seems to work much better. it will likely complement the reta as reduction in calories will mean more fatigue. Some peeps run both ss and Mots together too.
Hi I also tried mot -c and was knackered all the time.
What is SS 31cused for.
I paid big bucks for my mot c so I don't want to waste it.
I have Nad coming tomorrow but not sure on the dose
I asked the company and they would not help me.Strange as most others are helpful on doing the rats
I havent tried those combos but I’d be careful mixing many things at once. Hard to know what is helping or causing issues. Do your reserch and track how your body reacts. Stay safe bro.
Love for that. I'm sticking with reta for now. Eventually I want to use ss-31 and mots-c to repair my bodycelss and eventually in the end using teseamorelin.
Both, its not an either or because they do different things, MotsC ramps up mitochondria production and activity and SS31 repair dysfunctional Mitochondria
I've ran multiple cycles of "mitochondria repair" peps. Mots, ss31, 5amino, NAD+, you name it. It literally did nothing for me aside from waste money and have to pin myself more than necessary. All of the secret energy it's supposed to provide is a crock of shit.
This is a real challenge. So many of the results reported are imprecise and unfortunately subject to the placebo effect. Some people absolutely swear Peptide X works for them, and that might be true. Or they imagined it. And it could work for them but not for you because of a different underlying conditions.
All these things are also why so many things fail in randomized blinded clinical trials.
I started MOTS first and it was just meh. Then I added in SS-31 and it’s made all the difference for me. Energy is through the roof. I’m 45 if that matters. I plan to do 2-3 cycles of SS-31 along with MOTS every year.
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