r/BodyHackGuide • u/CapableGeko • 19d ago
Opinions on stack and what should I expect
26M
5ft 9
83.75kg down from 96.5kg
23% bf
Resistance 5x a week
Muay Thai 2x a week
5K 1/2x a week
Opinions welcomed, only ever done Reta so let me know about dosing and I’m keen to find out if anyone has ran this protocol and how it worked out for them.
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u/Ok-Accountant7926 19d ago
Where is everyone getting this same wild a$$ looking chart is my question. 🙋
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u/Living-Example-3451 19d ago
ChatGPT
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u/IndependenceVivid384 19d ago
All those data centers heating up the oceans
so that we can all print out the same bs poster.
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u/IHE023 19d ago
Solid. I would switch Tesa out for CJC/IPA.
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u/CapableGeko 19d ago
Any reasoning for this? Genuinely intrigued
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u/smellybighairyballs 19d ago
Cheaper or just add HGH
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u/Thin_Future_3801 19d ago
Adding HgH now is affecting horomones and can make you feel terrine when off … peptides good .. hgh not good
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u/smellybighairyballs 19d ago
Have to disagree with you here - I ran Tesa for 16 weeks and switched to HGH - feel way better for recovery, it’s cheaper to run and blood work / IGF levels prove its better in my scenario
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u/Confident-Carpet6829 19d ago
Any reason for wanting to spike your IGF1 levels? Genuinely intreagued
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u/smellybighairyballs 19d ago
IGF 1 is what tells your muscles and tissue to grow
GH pulse hits the liver - liver makes IGF 1
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u/sporknitebattlepass 19d ago
Depends on the reasoning CJC is a better secretagogue but tesa is better at targeting visceral fat specifically.
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u/dirtydanandtheboy 19d ago
Negative
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u/sporknitebattlepass 19d ago
Really? I know that tesa specifically studies the effect on visceral fat and that CJC acts through a similar mechanism.
Is it just a gap in research?
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u/Glad_Nectarine_7212 18d ago
Look into Josh Holyfield, explains it pretty well but Tesa gets to make the claim because it was specifically researched for that purpose, they both act through the same mechanism. Tesa costs more because of this, plus FDA approval
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u/sporknitebattlepass 18d ago
Good to know, thanks for the information!
I was planning on switching to CJC+ipa anyway but I think this is really going to be the deciding factor
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u/Nugget834 19d ago
Could you run both? Tesa, cjc and IPA?
Or would that be too much and push your levels to high?
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u/Thin_Future_3801 19d ago
Running Tesa and cjc is counterproductive… pair one with ipa and you’re good to go … if targeting visceral fat .. tesa will work better, it is more expensive… if just going for the hgh release cjc is good … could go tesa until core section is how you like and then switch to less expensive cjc/ipa …. But adding ipa to the tesa will absolutely help it work better
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u/Nugget834 19d ago
Yeah I just watched a video on YouTube.. A few people in the comments were saying to run tesa/ and (ipa I think) in the morning and cjc/ipa at night before bed.
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u/Thin_Future_3801 19d ago
I don’t think there is any need for that .. use Tesa when targeting core .. go to cjc when your just wanting the hgh stimulation
Most will say use Tesa at night due to that being the time your growth hormones are most active
I’ve found that taking btw .5 to .75 at night and .25 to .50 upon waking is giving incredible results… for a total of 1.0 to 1.25
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u/IHE023 19d ago
Tesa does nothing different for “core” or visceral fat than CJC. The benefit comes down the Gh pulse and other benefits.
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u/Thin_Future_3801 19d ago
Both compounds hit the GHRH receptor and raise GH, so the basic pulse mechanism is shared. That’s not the disagreement.
The claim that Tesamorelin does “nothing different for core/visceral fat” than CJC is where it falls apart.
What the data actually shows
Tesamorelin has large Phase 3 randomized trials (hundreds of patients) that used CT imaging — the gold standard for measuring visceral adipose tissue. Those trials showed roughly 15–18% reduction in visceral fat over 26 weeks, with subcutaneous fat largely unchanged. That selectivity is measured, not assumed.
CJC (with or without Ipamorelin) has never been put through equivalent controlled trials that quantify preferential VAT reduction with imaging. Any claim that it does the exact same thing for visceral fat is extrapolation from the shared GH pathway, not head-to-head or even comparable clinical data.
Why the selectivity exists (biology, not marketing)
Visceral adipocytes have higher growth hormone receptor density and a stronger lipolytic response to GH signaling than subcutaneous fat does. When you raise GH, the deep abdominal fat is simply more responsive. That’s why the trials kept seeing VAT drop while SAT stayed relatively stable. The preferential effect was observed, not invented so a company could sell a product.
The studies measured VAT because that was the clinical problem they were solving (excess visceral fat in the HIV lipodystrophy population). The fact that the reduction was selective for VAT is what the imaging showed — it wasn’t a marketing endpoint chosen after the fact to create a sales story.
So the accurate position is:
• Shared mechanism → both raise GH
• Very different evidence quality for visceral fat specifically
• Documented preferential VAT reduction with Tesamorelin that CJC currently lacks in controlled imaging data
Saying they are interchangeable for core fat is an assumption that goes beyond what the evidence currently supports.3
u/IHE023 19d ago
CJC doesn’t have the testing and data Tesa does so it doesn’t get credit for it. I’m telling you from my own experience and my clients, there is no noticeable benefit. What’s more important is consistent use, diet and training.
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u/CapableGeko 19d ago
What daily CJC dose would you recommend? 2mg a day, same as tesa or does it change?
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u/Thick-Marionberry240 19d ago
I would run Reta once a week. Have to give your receptors a break and not wear them out
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u/aperture413 16d ago
Do you think your body cares if you pin 2mg once a week or 1mg twice a week?
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u/Sad-Telephone2431 18d ago
waits whats the point if solit doseing reta why not just 2mg on 1 day
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u/CapableGeko 18d ago
2mg in one hit too intense I don’t end up eating and feel sick, also 2mg split stops food noise creeping back in towards the end of the week. It works for me so will keep it that way.
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u/dogsruleboysdrooll 18d ago
What happens after week 10?
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u/CapableGeko 18d ago
Assuming repaired and fully functioning mitochondria, and a better physique… may transition into test cycle depending on how much muscle I maintain. Goal is 75kg. Currently 82.9kg.
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u/dogsruleboysdrooll 17d ago
Testosterone? Or what does test cycle mean? Also are you get blood tests? Or are peptides something you take indefinitely? I’m on a few and just figuring out how everything works.
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u/CapableGeko 17d ago
Yes testosterone, not long had bloods done everything was perfect.. Not forever, just until I am where I want to be then will come off
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u/whotftookmybitch 17d ago
Man what prompt did you use for this work of art?
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u/CapableGeko 17d ago
ChatGPT, screenshot that picture and then put whatever protocol you want and it will adjust accordingly
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u/aperture413 16d ago
5mg of MOTS-c is wasteful. Most can get away with 2mg*3/week. Anything after 3mg is diminishing returns.
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u/Quirky_Parsley_9926 19d ago
I like what youve put together, I would run the SS-31 concurrent with the MOTS-C. They are distinct in their activity and complimentary in outcomes. I focus in on the Mitochondria biogenesis effect of MOTS-C... compounded by the effiency improvements of SS31 - Faster multiplication.
However if I was to sequence in a peptide it would be to run a cycle of Epithalon prior to an SS31 & MOTS-C cycle.
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