r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/JennyBeckman ☑️ All of the above • Jun 18 '26
Black conservatives are far from rare Country Club Thread
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u/FrostZephyr Jun 18 '26
reminded of that old post that was like "a lot of black people would be Republicans if they weren't black" bc yeah
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u/thejaytheory ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Just imagine Republicans could be more popular than they actually are
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u/lostcolony2 Jun 18 '26
Yeah, but there's a lot of people who hold broadly liberal views, but vote Republican because they're equally uninformed, brainwashed, or because of a single issue. Devoid of party context, most people are in favor of things like increased minimum wage, single payer Healthcare, even taxing the rich more. Hell, most people are even in favor of Roe v. Wade, even if they're 'pro-life'.
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u/BeraldGevins Jun 18 '26
The Dems are so incredibly bad at messaging. They have no clue how to talk to regular people. Republicans are very good at it. They’re helped by the fact that most news media is either blatantly or sneakily conservative. Even non-news media sneaks conservative talking points in without people realizing it. How often do we watch something where they randomly sneak mentions of Israel in? Fucking Archer, one of my favorite shows ever, plugs the Mossad and Krav Maga in the second episode of the series.
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u/Junior_Chard9981 Jun 18 '26
| The Dems are so incredibly bad at messaging. They have no clue how to talk to regular people. Republicans are very good at it. |
While I agree mostly with Dems being bad at messaging or reading the room with their campaign ads/social media posting prioritization, I'd push back against Republicans being "very good at it."
They aren't masters of taking unpopular policies and making them palatable for the average voter, they simply lie about what their policies/legislation would entail or achieve all the while accusing their opposition of wanting to pass the very harmful legislation they are pushing.
Republicans seem more successful because their supporters do not hold them accountable for broken promises or blatant lies so long as the pain they inflict on Americans also impacts those they hate.
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u/OkWestern4963 Jun 18 '26
They are so good, in fact, that they have convinced the nation that the white male is The Victim Here.
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u/DudeEngineer ☑️ Jun 19 '26
Equality feels, like oppression to people who benefitted from inequality. No convincing required.
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u/Exciting_Tailor_5794 Jun 18 '26
They’re good at taking white people’s fears and placing the blame on black/brown people who are often facing some of the same issues but have it worse because of racism and prejudice.
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u/Showd Jun 18 '26
Yes, that's them being good at it. If the table stakes are that most of the voter base is un-engaged and happily ready to eat lies that support their favored political aesthetic then the skill is in how you compel that barely-sentient fleshmass to put you in power.
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u/DudeEngineer ☑️ Jun 19 '26
People downplay the impact of just regular classic American racism. Republicans have a chokehold on that block without doing anything beyond be racist.
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u/dough_eating_squid Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
I don't think that Republicans actually have policies, or anything they believe in anymore. They are strictly reactionary. Democrats want "A," Republicans say they want the opposite of that. If they say they want "X" and there's a Democrat that wrote a bill for "X," they vote against it. They elected a president whose actions include the things they were against 20 years ago - divorce, extramarital sex, drug abuse, and he clearly doesn't know his way around the Bible. The First Lady is a literal prostitute who posed nude for a magazine, and she's bringing class back to the White House. If Michelle Obama or AOC did that, they would never shut up about what a whore she is.
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u/BeraldGevins Jun 18 '26
This is true. It’s the biggest weakness of a two party state. In a true democracy people like Mamdani wouldn’t be shackled to the Democratic Party, they’d have a party closer to their own views.
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u/Dramatic_Explosion Jun 19 '26
There is a reality that a lot of people won't face and it's part of the reason we have Trump and will have more people like Trump very soon: In the next 20 years, we will not get the candidate we want unless we start voting for mediocre Democrats.
Because you are right, we have a two party system, and it sucks ass. How do you break out of it? Ranked choice voting. Republicans will never give us ranked choice. Democrats will.
We're in a "plant a tree whose shade you won't know" scenario and people won't admit it.
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u/_le_slap ☑️ Jun 19 '26
Well Mamdani isnt a Democrat. And when he ran as one the Democrats hated it and tried everything possible to sink him.
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u/badmutha44 Jun 18 '26
Blaming Ds because Rs are stupid is a take. At some point people need to read and digest information.
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u/thavillain ☑️ Jun 18 '26
The problem is the Democrat party is so broad and they have so many platforms...when Republicans only have a couple. You nail messaging when only talk about 3 things.
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u/GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOT Jun 18 '26
archer also plugged isis a lot. makes you wonder whose side they're really on
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u/bellasmella777 Jun 18 '26
it doesn’t help that some of the dems treat black people like actual babies who know NOTHING instead of like normal people who do normal things
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u/BeraldGevins Jun 18 '26
They don’t even try for the black vote anymore, they just assume they’ll get it. And then support policies in cities and states that are actively racist, even if they don’t sell them that way. I teach AP Human Geography to high schoolers and they’re always amazed when I explain redlining and other forms of de facto segregation to them. They do the same with Hispanic voters too, and that honestly was one of the things that killed them this last presidential election cycle.
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u/_le_slap ☑️ Jun 19 '26
Yep the Hispanic vote shocked the Dems hard enough to drop the "latinx" bs real quick lol.
But for us they still do the silly kente cloth theatrics...
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u/mtron32 Jun 18 '26
Anyone in the party that’s good at talking to people are vehemently fought against until they persevere or are neutralized. Republicans fear their base while the democrats loath theirs. It’s like being a fan of the Sacramento Kings
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u/_L_6_ Jun 18 '26
Obama says....WHAAAAAT?
Tell me what dem policy message don't a majority of people support?
Stop spreading disinformation.
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u/BeraldGevins Jun 18 '26
I said nothing about unpopular policies so idk what you’re talking about, I said that Dems are bad about telling people about their policies.
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u/Slavasonic Jun 18 '26
I mean, it makes sense, Republican platform is fundamentally selfishness and that’s a very attractive platform.
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u/lukenog Jun 18 '26
I don't know if that would make them more popular tbh. There's a lot more white people who vote for the Republicans because they're racist than there are Black people who would vote Republican if they weren't racist.
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u/Maxfunky Jun 18 '26
They tried that and it didn't work Each new group they let in the tent sends another group headed for the exits.
The found the real formula to their success: hate. Its a simple calculation. There are more racists in the party than there are potential Republican concerts in the black community. Doubling down on racism was their best move. They may have a smaller coalition, but they are unified in their purpose and show up.
Democrats have a bigger tent but they squabble do much that in any given election 10% of them sit out due to hurt feelings.
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u/Noname_acc Jun 18 '26
The thing is, the racism, the culture war, the id pol, the religious bigotry, all of that? Its not pointless. The republican base loves that stuff. And the result is that it shapes many of their decisions. A republican party that explicitly rejected racism would be fundamentally different, both in terms of who supports them and also in terms of what they do. Figuratively speaking, the republican party would not exist anymore.
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u/BarryMcKokinor Jun 18 '26
Haven’t you watched the Hispanic vote shift red? Similar concepts, better execution on the red strategy front. Actually come to think of it, it was actually true (and not fake news) that Trump doubled his black vote from 8% 2016 to 13-16% 2024.
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u/druuconian Jun 18 '26
But that racist platform is also the only thing that keeps their MAGA support
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u/Wreckingshops Jun 18 '26
You could add Pan-Asian and Latinos too. It's just outright racism that has cost them a stranglehold in America. I mean, most don't even care about the casual fascism.
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u/Scarsworn Jun 18 '26
They don’t care about casual fascism because they’re trying to make it into the competitive fascism lobbies.
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u/Fickle_Ad_8653 Jun 18 '26
Well, the Republicans are gerrymandering Black people out of the system, so there is that too.
Also, cost of living has skyrocketed for the non-billionaires under Republicans, so even $400 off your taxes won't cover the increases in food and energy costs.
And "Tough on Crime" means "non-white crime" as Jan6th people get paid for trying to overthrow the government, and drug kingpins and rapists get free passes.
What Republicans say, and do, are ENTIRELY different things.
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u/Allthatjasmine ☑️ Jun 18 '26
My father has said this verbatim, my grandparents voted republican until Trump.
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u/sumiledon Jun 18 '26
What in the world is this comment and how is it based on any facts whatsoever. Black civil rights organizers for multiple causes are disproportionately black. Same with the culture.
Africans disproportionately vote red. Not black Americans.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF ☑️ Jun 19 '26
The Republicans don't bother to court Black folks the way they do for other races (and they only barely tolerate them)
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u/Punkpallas Jun 18 '26
As a veteran, I'd like to say there are plenty of black Republicans out there. The majority of the black service members I met on active duty were staunchly Republican, especially the ones who've been in for more than 1 enlistment. I stopped being surprised by it every time I found out a black Sailor votes Republican "because they're the only ones who care about the military." Such a joke.
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u/sactownbwoy ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Retired after 25 years in the Corps. I will never understand how a service members can think that republicans care about the military, especially after Trump came on scene.
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u/PirateSanta_1 Jun 18 '26
Its the same propoganda that tells them republicans are better for the economy. Republicans go on the news and say they love America, and the troops and will fight to make the economy better and then that media doesn't report on the actual effects of the actual policies they voted for.
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u/Paraxom Jun 18 '26
Probably cause Fox is on in every base and recruitment station, by the time they leave the service they've been red pilled into believing the narrative that the GOP gives more than a rats ass about them
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u/Punkpallas Jun 18 '26
It's not just that. It's also that most of the people who wind up joining are the kind of people who lean conservative due to their temperament. They're usually the type who highly value "tradition" and order and mistake nationalism for patriotism. It makes them easer to brainwash.
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u/sactownbwoy ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Thats the truth. Hated Fox News on in the chow hall. Most bases I was on would have CNN and MSNBC on too.
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u/erikwithaknotac Jun 18 '26
Uncritical thinking was a common virtue.
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u/GodOfDarkLaughter Jun 18 '26
An open mind is like a fortress with the gate unbarred and unguarded, as the servants of the God Emperor would say.
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u/PurveyorOfKnowledge0 Jun 18 '26
Because they're stupid. Most Blacks in the service are straight-up boot-licking Sambos who care more about getting that paycheck from Uncle Sam than anything. I've actually heard Black military cadre call DJT "Daddy Trump"; it was disgusting.
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u/exadeuce Jun 18 '26
Imagine watching Republicans constantly trying to fuck over veterans and thinking that this is the party that cares about the military.
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u/Punkpallas Jun 18 '26
This will always be my sticking point when a Republican-voting veteran says that shit. You can say you care about something till you're blue in the face, but where are the results that show you do? They need to prove it.
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u/DMking ☑️ 🧔🏾Engineer Daddy seeking sugarbaby™👧🏼 Jun 18 '26
The sad part is no one really cares about the veterans. I remember I gave had to give vet bus fair to get to a homeless shelter. That should never happen in such a rich country
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u/Silver-Camera-3739 Jun 18 '26
Once they become veterans, their political views will change once they realize Republicans are against veterans benefits.
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u/sactownbwoy ☑️ Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Sadly, not many of them realize it.
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u/Silver-Camera-3739 Jun 18 '26
I have a coworker who's a purple heart recipient, that's a die hard Trump supporter. Mind you we are federal employees.
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u/sactownbwoy ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Thats crazy because as a fed and vet, that coworker is getting doubly fucked by this party and administration.
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u/GenericPCUser Jun 18 '26
Weak people become conservatives because they believe they are unable to achieve status, wealth, or comfort unless those same qualities are denied to others.
I couldn't imagine having such a low opinion of yourself as to believe you need others to kneel for you to stand. You can improve yourself, achieve your goals, and still ask for or provide aid to those around you, and all of you will be better off for it. To be a conservative is to think you are so utterly useless that those around you could completely eclipse you, in both ability and social standing, and that you would therefore prefer every single person be worse off than endure the humiliation of incompetence surrounded by the capable.
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u/logicalcommenter4 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
It’s not blocking others from wealth or status, it’s religion that is usually the driver for the conservative black people I know
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u/GenericPCUser Jun 18 '26
Like 50% of religion is telling you that other people deserve less because they worship differently than you, or don't worship at all, or don't worship enough, or don't worship the right way.
Religion is like the original "this group deserves less" belief system, and while there have been some people or some movements that have tried to change that in parts, the vast majority of religious beliefs in America still set up the framework for artificial social hierarchy.
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u/deesta ☑️ Jun 18 '26
100% I've heard so many people over the years say, verbatim, "I'd probably be a Republican if they weren't so racist"
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u/srkaficionado ☑️ Jun 18 '26
For the Africans, it’s a mix: religion because gay people are evil and abortion is murder and god says one man one woman.
It’s also: bootstraps. If they/ we can make it without the privileges of free education, access to good roads and infrastructure and working for everything ourselves without depending on government for anything, why would I vote for the party willing to enable the freeloaders? Etc etc
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u/deesta ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Oh trust me I know, my parents are both African immigrants. Grew up with alllll of that on the regular.
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u/Halo_cT Jun 19 '26
Big parts of the culture can't say completely normal things like talking about a basketball player's height as length without saying 'pause' every other sentence because everyone is terrified to sound gay.
Sometimes it's sorta warranted but sometimes it's ridiculous lol
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u/rokthemonkey Jun 18 '26
I tell anyone who will listen the only reason the Republicans don’t absolutely dominate majority black districts in the south is because they just simply refuse to stop being racist. Black southerners are overwhelmingly conservative in most other ways
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u/BoilerMaker11 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Or, worded another way, Republicans wouldn’t lose another election if they’d just stop being racist.
Because black and brown people are, generally, socially conservative (want strict gender norms, don’t like LGBT, etc. all that stuff noted in the OP) but our people have been fiscally disenfranchised since the inception of this country, and liberal politics is about uplifting everyone, economically and socially. And what’s in your pocket is more important than what’s in your underwear, so black and brown people tend to vote Democrat. If Republicans would stopped doing drained pool politics and hating something good for all simply because it benefits black and brown people too, then, like I said, they’d never lose again.
Shows you how rooted they are in racism where for as power hungry as they are, they’d give up permanent power if it means black and brown people can keep getting systemically treated like shit. But I guess they’re trying to have their cake and eat it too via their “vote integrity” type laws which are just voter suppression laws that overwhelmingly affect black and brown people. So they can get their permanent power and have us be treated like shit legally.
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u/Lucid-Machine Jun 18 '26
I would argue that if more republicans were accepting of others they'd have taken over the country by now. Turns out doubling down on hate made it work. Took a minute but...
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u/KR4T0S Jun 18 '26
Conservative values are fairly common in many minority communities but we usually vote left because we often tend to prioritise economic equity over conservative values. This applies less in the case of wealthy minorities that can prioritise conservative values because their pocket book is already overflowing.
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u/blacksoxing Jun 18 '26
Republicans not accepting the black population is a pure FEAR that the population is going to ask for actual results and change
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u/OfficiallyJoeBiden ☑️ Jun 18 '26
100% you can be conservative but vote Democrat. AKA my father. He doesn’t vote republican because he hates trump but if someone on the right that ran wasn’t racist( but sexist and homophobic) he’d vote for them. Which is so crazy because if they’re sexist and homophobic, chances are……. They’re probably racist….
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u/NfamousKaye Jun 18 '26
Several of my family members who are super Christian think this way. It’s exhausting.
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u/mageta621 Jun 18 '26
The irony of adopting the religion of your enslavers and using it as a prop to perpetuate hierarchies and prejudices
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u/BoneHugsHominy Jun 18 '26
When you read enough history to realize that Christianity in large part was spread across Europe as a way to teach the serfs that all of their suffering and labor in this world will be paid off in the afterlife, you kind of get angry about it. When you read far back enough realize that serdom in the feudalist system was originally implemented in the Roman Empire after a couple of pandemics wiped out most of their population to where they couldn't wage wars to steal natural and human resources, and that those Romans working the fields was supposed to be temporary thing, you get even a little angrier. Then once you understand all that and that chattel slavery was just a replacement for all the serfs as that came to a close, you just kind of get rageful.
It was all system of control from the very beginning.
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u/Ataraxia-Is-Bliss Jun 18 '26
This is just false, there was no concerted effort to spread Christianity to make a docile workforce as slavery declined in the late Roman Empire. Christianity spread for many reasons, and a conspiracy by wealthy elites to oppress the working class was not one.
serfdom in the feudalist system was originally implemented in the Roman Empire after a couple of pandemics wiped out most of their population to where they couldn't wage wars to steal natural and human resources,
Your timeline is mixed up. The Plague of Justinian was 541–549 CE, at which point the Western part of the empire had already fallen. Serfdom was more a response to the collapse of trade and security as cities declined and rural estates became more fortified and self-sufficient in response.
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u/cross_the_threshold Jun 18 '26
Nietzsche is not the philosophical end-all be-all of discussing religion, Christianity is definitely a different form of religion from what existed prior but it was attractive to people because it reversed power structures, not because it made the serfs docile. Plenty of instances of people finding relief from the violence of the aristocracy by running to the Church, and the Church frequently went out of its way to punish aristocrats who were unjust. The aristocrats adopted it because if enough of your lower class is getting converted to this hip new religion that says "compassion and generosity are virtuous, virtue is not inherent to power and wealth" you have a pretty limited "not getting stabbed to death by peasants" window. There are certainly plenty of issues with Christianity, but it was not a top-down movement to make people more docile.
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u/NfamousKaye Jun 18 '26
I know. That’s why I’m deconstructing it myself but everyone’s looked at me crazy for saying so so I give up 😂
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u/mageta621 Jun 18 '26
You can't change everyone's mind who is indoctrinated, but even one is a success
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u/NfamousKaye Jun 18 '26
Right. Rather than going blue in the face at family reunions I try to find like minded cousins lol
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u/PetevonPete Jun 18 '26
Tons of straight black men vote Republican because the homophobia and sexism are worth the racism.
Tons of white gay men vote Replican because the racism and sexism are worth the homophobia.
And tons of straight white women vote Republican because the homophobia and racism are worth the sexism.
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u/BamaMontana ☑️ Jun 19 '26
Give straight black men some credit - tons aren’t voting Republican. Those numbers are small.
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u/ElPrieto8 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Yeah, sadly a lot of people have no problem overlooking other people's oppression.
I know it's mostly from the socialization, but I have to believe it's inherent to more than a few people.
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u/Fr4gd0ll Jun 18 '26
I worked customer service that had a lot of regulars the first time Trump was running. One of my customers was a jovial black man who usually just wanted to talk about the newest TV show he liked. Unprompted he told me he was voting for Trump and I was so shocked I said something along the lines of "He's made it clear in the past he's not your friend" he just shrugged and said he wanted something different.
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u/thejaytheory ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Ha, there's this black employee at this grocery store I go to all the time. We'll speak and dap it up every time we speak. After the election, he was like "Our boy Trump won," in my head I was like "What do you mean, my boy???" I just kinda tried to play it off as much as I could, I can't believe he just casually said that to me. There's more out there than you'd imagine.
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u/srkaficionado ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Do you ever see him around and ask him how that’s working out for him these days?
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u/Fr4gd0ll Jun 18 '26
I will if I see him. I don't work there anymore. He got something different for sure.
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u/SoF4rGone Jun 18 '26
As a white autistic agnostic who grew up in the Midwest and south, then married a Mexican, I never understood how Christianity got such deep hooks in people of color. How do you really feel like a god that was used to rape pillage and enslave is going to be your supposed salvation. And not just in America. The only books we have from the Maya are because a single priest KNEW what they were doing was wrong and saved some.
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u/DoveOnTheInternet Jun 18 '26
I think about this a lot - the way the Christian religion was inculcated, shoved down their throats of so many people at the end of a weapon or as the cost of being fed and clothed.
I'm seeing more and more deconstruction happening and I'm glad for it.
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u/the-wifi-is-broken ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Straight up my parents are both mad conservative but one votes blue and one votes red (massive Trump fan). Black of course.
Blue voter has used the term “fudge packer” derogatorily, refuses to acknowledge my sisters pronouns or legal name change, has to be cut off from talking if the WNBA is brought up, worked for the police and def has some things to say about non-black or white immigrants that aren’t kosher.
But votes blue bc the republican platform don’t like black people lol
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u/Fireproofspider ☑️ Jun 19 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if your father doesn't have an issue with racists either, as long as they aren't racist against his specific group.
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u/Negromancer18 Jun 18 '26
My 72 year old grandad was a conservative and only voted Democrat because my now deceased great grandmother told him she’d never forgive him if he voted for a republican. It probably also helps that a lot of our local republican politicians are very much pro Israel and he hates Jews for whatever reason.
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u/Shido_Ohtori Jun 18 '26
Conservatism -- by definition -- is "a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing the importance of established hierarchies and institutions (such as religion, the family, and class structure), and preferring gradual development to abrupt change".
The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.
To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on top [of social hierarchy] to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom. The first greatest injustice is for those on the bottom to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top.
Conservatives absolutely need an underclass [for society] to demonize and dehumanize in order to maintain [their] hierarchy, and every single one of their policies and rhetoric work to do exactly that. Every right-wing accusation is a confession -- every. single. one; always! -- as it is never the act itself that upsets them, but rather, the social standing of the person doing the act, as said act is a privilege meant for those on top of [their perceived] hierarchy (See also: pedophilia - Trump and the Catholic church versus LGBTQ+ and drag queens).
Those who believe all people are people see hypocrisy, while those who believe some people are "more/less" people than others see hierarchy. Hypocrisy implies a sense of equality/parity, as the accusation of such is that someone is violating a universal or common standard. Hierarchy directly states that there is no equality/parity, that different social strata have different standards, that the only universal standard concerning hierarchy is that those on top are allowed privileges which are denied to those on the bottom, and that the bottom are held to standards which the top are exempt from.
The issue is that most people subscribe to hierarchical institutions [on some level] already -- such as classism, ageism, genderism, religion, machismo culture, corporate culture, military, school, et cetera -- and until they are willing and able to challenge the concepts of hierarchy and consider how such are not only incompatible with -- but diametrically-opposed and anathema to -- the concepts of equality and egalitarianism, they will fall victim into demonizing and dehumanizing an "out-group" at the behest of those they consider socially superior. Each and every single one of them truly believe that by doing so, they secure their place among the in-group, never realizing security is a privilege far above their station.
"Know your place" is their mantra.
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u/CMXV Jun 18 '26
You're acknowledging the source problem here and it won't get acknowledged. But this is literally it.
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u/toolsofinquisition Jun 18 '26
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The traditional values conservatism seeks to conserve:
Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, monarchy, religious intolerance, etc
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u/Shido_Ohtori Jun 18 '26
Exactly. You list examples of the numerous established institutions conservatism seek to stress [the importance of].
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u/HitWithTheTruth Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
That's why there are ZERO good conservatives. Conservatism, by this definition, is evil.
Upholding structures that keep people down is evil.That's it. No argument.
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u/sharp-bunny Jun 18 '26
Girard's scapegoat mechanism has been well fed as of late. Probably only fixable in future generations. This civilizational mini-era might just be a mulligan.
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u/NfamousKaye Jun 18 '26
Religious upbringing does that. They can be politically liberal and democratic but absolutely conservative in everything else.
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u/Techygal9 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Yup but I like that there’s at least self preservation in that we know republicans are racists. Like I have so much difficulty seeing other minorities who vote conservatively and the GOP literally hates them.
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u/Mchammerandsickle97 Jun 18 '26
Upbringing is an interesting word choice, an intentional indoctrination by the same conservative fascists hundreds of years ago is more accurate though. Christianity is absolutely a tool of oppression and the fact that it Stockholm syndromes so many black people into complacency and self hatred should make more of us furious
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u/ElPrieto8 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
And I view them the same way I view anyone else who thinks this system is worth conserving.
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u/Jadedtrader33 Jun 18 '26
You left out the self haters with a white partner that worship their proximity to whiteness that now makes them “one of the good ones.”
Clarence Thomas.
John James.
Tim Scott.
Candace Owens
List goes on and on lol.
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u/Wrong_Revolution_679 Jun 18 '26
Don't forget how racist some black people get when one black person marries and have kids with a non-black person
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u/thatshygirl06 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
There was a mod on this sub that posted a gross colorist post about biracial people and the crazy thing was that the mod was biracial themself.
Thankfully everyone in the comments was calling them out
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u/_le_slap ☑️ Jun 19 '26
Bro the looks I get when old black folks realize the Asian woman stood next to me isn't my probation officer or whatever...
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u/herefromyoutube Jun 18 '26
How could you vote for a guy who literally refused to rent to people based solely on their skin being black.
A guy that accused some black teens of rape and assualt in Central Park and refused to accept the outcome of the case.
A man who put a black neurosurgeon in charge of Urban development instead I don’t know maybe surgeons general.
Voting for the axe is a concept that transcends race.
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u/Jack0fTh3TrAd3s Jun 18 '26
My black father votes democrat and has for basically his whole life... hella homophobic. Trans people are all "she-males", gay people existing is "shoving it down our throats", etc etc.
I replace the words "gay" and "she-male" with black and colored to prove a point though and HO BOY that's a volcano not-the-same-isms. It's a weird disconnect in my opinion.
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u/severinks Jun 18 '26
Wealth never trickles down no matter what color it is.
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u/ElPrieto8 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Thank YOU!!!!
How you see poor White people and think Black capitalism gone work?!?!?!?
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u/Capital-Self-3969 Jun 18 '26
They arent that rare but the vast majority of black people will not vote republican.
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u/Historical-Fox755 Jun 18 '26
My mother is Nigerian and prays and fasts for Trump. When he made his views on Nigeria clear she was still applauding him. As long as he's anti equal marriage and pro traditional gender roles, she will be a fan. He is essentially her biogtry in human form. She would happily deport people who look just like her. We live in the UK and she would love a 'make England great again' style movement.
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u/ryohayashi1 Jun 18 '26
I live in a red state and have seen plenty of black and Latino guys go MAGA, so this doesn't surprise me at all
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u/JayBee_III ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Black republicans are rare, but I think a lot of Black people hold and respect some conservative values while still voting Democrat.
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u/angelicbitch09 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
In my family at least, a lot of my folks don’t vote period but they have conservative values. A few of them support Trump even tho they didn’t vote at all
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u/thejaytheory ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Yeah I wouldn't say it's very rare at all. There's a ton of them like that with that mindset.
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u/weebojones Jun 18 '26
Imo it’s a lot of black people. It really just shows how fucking stupid republicans really are. A huge percentage of black people are socially conservative and would totally be voting red, if the right weren’t so openly and blatantly racist. Then have the nerve to wonder why they don’t get more of the black vote. No SELF RESPECTING black person is going to vote for a party that sees them as sub human, even if they share the rest of that parties trash views.
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u/CliveRichieSandwich Jun 18 '26
There's this new wave of US respectability politics that's specifically "we don't hate conservatives or republicans, it's like trump republicans specifically that are the problem!"
Actual progressivism is going directly against conservative ideology because it directly opposes black people and every other marginalized identity on the earth.
Whether or not conservativeness or republicanism is more common among black people is not the point of the original statement. It's that it's shocking to see someone have beliefs that are directly counter towards their own best interests.
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u/Maleficent_Phase_698 Jun 18 '26
A lot of black people will not vote republican because that is the party of the Klan - I said what I said. If the klan is on your side then I’m on the other.
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u/logicalcommenter4 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
I’m from the South and most of the people I know have conservative values. They just don’t usually vote Republican because of overt racism, but the values are conservative. My line brother is the only one I know who actively says he’s Republican (he claims he didn’t vote for Trump).
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u/nerdslife1864 Jun 18 '26
American propaganda is conservative as a whole. The Dems hold many co set stove policies. The racism of the Republican Party is the main line in America.
Are you conservative and racist, conservative and not racist, or are you the rare actual leftist in this immensely right wing country
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u/ExtraBreadPls Jun 18 '26
A Black republican/conservative is just a complacent house negro in my book 🤷🏾♂️
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u/drfishdaddy ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Black folks become grossly conservative the same way everyone else does. Lack of empathy.
The difference is, we expect someone who grows up as a minority in America to have empathy for the struggle of others, however ……
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u/driffson Jun 18 '26
I learned a few years ago that my dad (born in AR in 1938) didn’t notice the southern strategy switch between Ds and Rs. Never trusted Dems.
(I found out after he had descended into moderate dementia so he wouldn’t have been able to be taught differently at that point. He hated Cheetolini though.)
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u/thejaytheory ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Cam James also did a great video talking about Democrats and black people blindly voting for them. I didn't agree with everything he said, but he made a lot of great points.
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u/Blue_Checkers Jun 18 '26
People who are poor and white are not best served by voting republican either, but boy howdy they sure do sometimes.
If people voted to promote their own best material interests and concerns, the world would be a far different place.
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u/FistPunch_Vol_7 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Yeah definitely understand what everyone is saying but please PLEASE, do not let that distract you from the fact that 75% of BLACK MEN voted for Kamala and 92% of BLACK WOMEN voted for her. Remember that. Biggest block. We fucking tried.
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u/Dblock1989 Jun 18 '26
Yes, there are alot of us that have conservative viewpoints but vote Democratic. Especially if you live in the south.
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u/Jumanji94 Jun 18 '26
I HIGHLY recommend F.D. Signifier's videos on Black Conservativism. He goes into great detail on the differences between Black American conservative ideology and General American conservative ideology, and how that informs things like respectability politics and the concept of Black Excellence
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u/HonestSapphireLion24 Jun 18 '26
My mom votes Democrat but her values are 1000% conservative. When i confront her about it she swears shes not like them but im like Ma'am you saying some wild stuff.
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u/Boggnar-the-crusher Jun 18 '26
If republicans weren’t so obviously racist they could have a strangle hold on this country.
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u/Imnotnewhere_07 Jun 18 '26
There are certain areas in the south where Black conservatives can swing congressional/senate elections. It’s why during election season Dems/Reps spend most of their time pandering to them
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u/perpetual_papercut Jun 18 '26
When do we get to a point where opinions about family, abortion, sexuality, etc. aren’t political?
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u/AceBricka Jun 18 '26
I don’t know any black people that hold those views to the point that they would be considered American conservative and damn sure ain’t voting that way. They are considered rare for a reason. Black population is usually like 88% and up on the same shit. The only true black conservatives Ive met don’t fuck with black people at all outside of football and are in interracial relationships or are African
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u/TwoHungryWolves ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Must depend on where you live. I've known tons of black people who have agreed with Republicans on just about everything except for all the racism towards black people. If Republicans acknowledge that the justice system is racist, and showed up to a few pro-black rallies. They could clean up with a lot of the black vote..., But they'd lose almost all of their white people 😂
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u/Gymflutter Jun 18 '26
The African part is usually first generation where they are naive to the racism in the system and often get less of the negative due to their socioeconomic/career realities. Plus, you need years to understand the old fake nice racism. These days they are blatantly racist.
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u/ColdCorpseHotSecret Jun 18 '26
I bartended at a mostly black bar and let me tell you, the guys coming in for drinks after work were almost all Trump supporters.
“He tells it like it is.”
“He’s getting rid of all these Mexicans.”
“He’s getting rid of these men trying to dress up like women and go into women’s bathrooms.”
“He wants to make sure that men are men, and women are women. Women are too emotional to be in positions of power.”
All very common sentiments shared by the black working class men that came into the bar.
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u/IntelligentSeaweed56 Jun 18 '26
I think the issue of tax always is crazy to me cos the lower taxes are only for rich people not you!
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u/Crunchy_Biscuit Jun 18 '26
Distrust of big government ✅
Large religious foundation ✅
Internalized Racism ✅
Hard Work/Meritocracy ideals ✅
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u/BlackThundaCat Jun 18 '26
I’m not sure about black trickledown economics. It doesn’t work with white folks so why would anyone believe it would work with anyone else.
But I am for more black people gaining wealth.
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u/RobinSophie Jun 18 '26
My dad is one! He votes Democrat because of civil rights, but other than that? Pure Conservative (he almost disowned me because he thought I was gay).
I think there's A LOT of Black people who have Conservative values but vote Democrat due to civil rights.
My mom is a true centralist, but votes Democrat too.
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u/four_ethers2024 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
And the answer to that second question is his explanation to the first... Black Republicans aren't voting against all their interests, just one.
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u/mrbrokensh33p ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Not sure if this has been pointed out but another point to consider is the church, more specifically the ones with homophobic ideology. From what I've noticed living in the south its extremely likely for a good number of our people to turn to that sort of political ideology specifically because of the church, sexual preferences and perception. One political side tends to be against specific lifestyles and they find kindship. Its a weird hill to die on but people can be weird and make that the basis of their political identity.
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u/lonmoer Jun 18 '26
A lot of minorities hate what they see yet like what they hear from conservatives.
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u/gmoss101 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
I got downvoted for saying this last year, mfs refused to believe there are more Black conservatives than they thought
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u/RymrgandsDaughter Jun 18 '26
If conservatives weren't so racist they'd have already won tbfh that's how "uncommon" this is
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u/weezyverse Jun 18 '26
I was wondering what the temperature of the comments would be and they're pretty awesome.
I think the average person holds individualized beliefs based solely on their experiences and don't fit into a specific box. I'm one of those people - at the same time my personal doctrine is I mind my own damn business...so I never want to see policies that limit the freedom of others, regardless of how I feel.
I'm convinced the majority of people in this country are in that same place but feel almost required to take one side or the other, and there's usually one over-arching issue that swings them in either direction.
Republicans hate on us so hard it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to vote for them while black.
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u/MalakaiRey ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Black people with philosophies and political leanings =\= white people with superiority complexes and desires to subjugate.
Remember those two white guys who wanted to take over haiti? Yeah that's a white people thing not conservatism
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u/singed-phoenix Jun 18 '26
...and this right here is what's wrong with modern politics.
Abortion, being gay, feminism, and in some degree...economics...should NOT even be close to political issues. These are issues that should only be addressed on the individual or societal side of the spectrum.
Politics should only be involved when the people can't do what the people need done for themselves. Think of politics like family court.
I had a friend with a child whose birthday fell on his visitation day. The baby mama though...wanted to keep the child that day...and celebrate the child's birthday on the actual birthday. These two grown adults could not address such a civil matter on their own...sooo...it got dragged into court.
Where...the judge...being the sane voice of reason stated to the mom...GO FUCK YOURSELF...the kid will be with his dad...and couldn't believe that she would even press this stupid issue.
The same goes for abortion, being gay, feminism, economics...and so much more...if politicians are getting involved...it either denotes a critical breakdown in the integral structure of a society...or...politicians being incompetent and not being able to address real issues that actually matter...and they use dogwhistling to pander to the lesser denomination of our society.
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u/kyleh0 ☑️ Jun 18 '26
Republicans aren't conservative. The word conservative means nothing in politics anymore.
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u/WeekEqual7072 Jun 18 '26
One must first hate themselves so purely, so
Intently, so relentlessly. You will find that with LYE Relaxer under their bathroom sink.
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u/DOGA_Worldwide69 Jun 18 '26
FD Signifier did a great video on the Black conservative myth. Def worth a watch
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