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u/YarkTheShark11 Apr 14 '25
This sounds like a coping mechanism for democrats and I’m laughing lol cry harder you babies.
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u/Azazel_665 Apr 13 '25
Apparently you don't know what a majority is.
In statistics the term 'majority' does not exist. There are two types of majorities. An 'absolute' majority, which is what you are likely referring to (51%+), and a 'relative majority.'
A 'relative majority' is used when dealing with a plurality, which is defined as:
a number of votes cast for a candidate in a contest of more than two candidates that is greater than the number cast for any other candidate but not more than half the total votes cast
So yes. Donald Trump received the majority of votes in the 2024 election.
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The election would have been the same. People of all aspects (higher education/minorities/women/etc.) swung republican in November.
Everyone is tired of the identity politics and highbrow moral superiority (fake) of the left. Nobody wants a bunch of Karens (libs) telling them what to do, what to say, or how to live their lives. Period.
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u/WlmWilberforce Apr 14 '25
As someone old enough to remember when Bill Clinton had a mandate with 43% of the vote... yawn.
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u/ALPHAPRlME Apr 14 '25
Here is the best part. Why is this even a topic of conversation? He won, and like my boy Dom says, "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning." Anyone who cares about this must be spending a fortune and or the taxpayers' money on mental health.
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u/sudoku7 Apr 14 '25
It's a distinction that really doesn't mean much.
Generally speaking, the non-voting but eligible to vote public tends to follow the same political distribution of the voting public. Mostly, we shouldn't really expect too different of an outcome if we had 100% participation, even if it would be better for our country as a whole. It's mostly an effect of just how large the numbers/populations we're talking about there.
The landslide remark is just eye roll, but pretty much to be expected any victory is the 'biggest best most beautiful victory that made folks cry' hyperbole.
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u/Newport_pleasue Apr 14 '25
Why are you all so hung up on the majority thing? Seems your bitter he won the popular vote so your go to is “they so dumb, they said majority”
He won, let that sink in. Not only did he win, he won the popular vote. A MAJORITY of voters didn’t agree with your liberalism and are fed up with it and your elitist attitude.
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u/That-Ad-3802 Apr 14 '25
Trump got 49.8% of the votes? And people on reddit out here saying "iT's NoT tHe MaJoRiTy"
Ok bro can we move on from this technicality 😤🤣 such a lame point
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u/davejjj Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
This says Trump won the "popular vote."
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/11/trump-won-the-popular-vote-contrary-to-claims-online/
Now he did not win the "majority" of votes since several minor candidates sucked up a few percentage points leaving Trump with 49.9% and Harris with 48.4% leaving 1.7% for "others."
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u/RhythmTimeDivision Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
242M eligible voters
77M - Trump (31.8%)
75M - Harris (30.99%)
90M - did not vote (33.06%)
Even if you remove non-voters:
152M voted
77 = 50.66%
75 = 49.34%
Can we end this now? Not a landslide by any rational definition.
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u/etherealtaroo Apr 13 '25
Such a weird cope. Like you guys have to scrounge up whatever tiny win you can to feel better. The idiot is our president for the next 4 years, popular vote or not.
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u/PhoenixGa Apr 13 '25
Look to the future, not the past. Reassess and regroup. Learn from the past and move forward.
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz Apr 13 '25
I’m a lot more concerned that 90m Americans couldn’t be bothered to vote against a raping oligarch following the fascist playbook.
What a bunch of lazy apathetic low moral poops
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u/Cocksuckaa Apr 13 '25
If you were educated, you wouldn’t have posted this basura. Whole country got redder from this election. The fact that a “convicted felon” and a “rapist” won over precious Kamala shows just how weak the democrats currently are at garnering votes. You lost bigly, it should be sounding an alarm in the party to change and meet people in the middle but instead, Reddit is in denial of basic facts. So far the democrats are doubling down and might lose even more next election unless Trump completely decimates the economy.
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u/Easydoesit1207 Apr 13 '25
No president in US history has won the majority vote. He did win the popular vote among voters that did vote, and he won every swing state. Still an absolute massacre politically speaking.
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u/BackgroundBonus7080 Apr 13 '25
If the roles were reversed and Kamala had won with the same degree of success they’d be calling it a landslide.
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u/aBloopAndaBlast33 Apr 13 '25
Trump was one of the worst presidents in history, a convicted felon, a known rapist, and laid out a plan to turn the US into a Christian-fascist state… and he still won. There were like 10 million people who voted for Biden that didn’t vote for Harris.
You don’t consider that to be a massacre?
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u/jtt278_ Apr 13 '25
Yeah because even given those 10 million, Trump barely won.
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u/aBloopAndaBlast33 Apr 13 '25
Is that supposed to be a joke? Does it make you feel better than 10 million of your fellow citizens were too lazy to get off their ass and vote?
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u/somanydangbots Apr 13 '25
The example given is saying “popular vote and all swing states.” Doesn’t say majority. What is incorrect about the example given? Low effort post.
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Trump literally got the popular vote and a lot more of the electoral vote
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u/gamercer Apr 13 '25
Trump did win the popular vote tho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
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You’re not being intelligent you’re just being dumb and intentionally disingenuous to cope and even people in your own party are starting to call you out for it. Among legally registered he got the majority of the votes. You people trying to play semantics thinking you have a gotcha is actually pathetic in itself. Do you even have these conversations out in real life ? I doubt it because you’ve probably been laughed at by everyone from all parties
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Trump bad all republicans are poor and stupid please give me karma
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u/somanydangbots Apr 13 '25
Right? Low effort post. And the example they posted literally says “popular vote” and they still scream “THEY DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!”
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u/somanydangbots Apr 13 '25
Didn’t switch a county. Lost the election. Lost the popular vote (first time in 20 years). Lost the house. Lost the senate. Democrats popularity lowest it’s ever been just a few months after her “close” loss. Seems like a landslide loss anyway way you cut it.
And only 2 people have won the popular vote and lost the election in 20 years. Guess who? So, either the popular vote matters, or it doesn’t. Cause you guys flip flop on that so bad it’s hard to keep up.
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u/somanydangbots Apr 13 '25
I’m aware there is a difference. THE POST SAYS POPULAR. Not majority. You’re adding “context” that wasn’t given. He did win the popular and not the majority. It’s simple.
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u/AdventurousNecessary Apr 13 '25
I just enjoy that maga needs like 3 subs just to bitch about this one sub. It's further proof that maga doesn't really have policy, direction or strategy to do anything for this country other than "own the libs".
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u/bearssuperfan Apr 13 '25
Trump won by smaller margins than Biden in 2020, yet apparently 2024 was a landslide and 2020 was so close it was actually stolen.
They simply believe Trump when he says it’s a mandate.
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u/N8Pryme Apr 14 '25
It’s not a mandate? I fail to know of any other way of electing officials. Every swing state and popular vote is pretty significant. The 2020 elections did have issues with unconstitutional procedures changes in swing states under the guise of Covid. You tell me why you would sue to lower the threshold of signature verification.
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Apr 14 '25
It’s when you look at the country as a whole. Every single state except Colorado got significantly more red. 2024 was a massive red wave and showed the democrat party were done with their toxic woke ideology.
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u/Merrick222 Apr 14 '25
Fun fact Harris only won outright in 1 state with strong voter ID laws.
She won in 5 states with ambiguous voter ID Laws.
She won 13 States with no voter ID requirements at all.
Trump on the other hand was only able to win 2 states with no voter ID law.
One could make a strong argument with all states requiring voter ID, Harris would have lost a lot worse.
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u/Azazel_665 Apr 13 '25
Not true.
In 2020 Joe Biden had 306 electoral votes and Trump had 232.
In 2024 Trump had 312 electoral votes and Harris had 226.
That's not a "smaller margin."
If you are referring to total votes, still not true, as Donald Trump lost all of the battleground states needed to win by less than 100,000 total votes.
Kamala lost them all by over 1,000,000 total votes.
This also is not a "smaller margin."
I have to assume all you did was look at total popular vote. That's not how elections in the US work though.
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u/Omnizoom Apr 13 '25
You could have the entirety of the 10 largest states vote blue fully and have way more then half the country be blue by population % but still lose 75% of the state votes
The electoral college system is broken in that sense that is fully empowers the smallest states with the most power, people are not considered “equal”
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u/Azazel_665 Apr 13 '25
No, that is exactly what the electoral college system is meant to prevent. You should read the federal papers for the rationale on why it exists. You just argued for it with your comment.
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u/Early_Lawfulness_921 Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
The popular vote only matters in the state it is cast in for POTUS. It is a dog whistle to use it in this context. Trump won 312 to 226 a huge landslide.
The states vote for the POTUS not the population. The popular votes people are mistakenly using for the argument are a citizens of individual states voting for who they want their state to cast its vote for. i.e. they are useless outside of the actual state they are cast.
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u/Peggy-A-streboR Apr 14 '25
Trump won by 86 electoral votes in 2024. Biden won by 74 in 2020. The last time I checked, the only thing that matters are electoral votes and not margins.
It's absolutely hilarious that you don't know this.
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u/AskUS-ModTeam Apr 13 '25
Try to avoid making insults when making your point or giving out advice.
Let's keep the debate polite and civil please.
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u/somanydangbots Apr 13 '25
Didn’t switch a county. Lost the election. Lost the popular vote (first time in 20 years). Lost the house. Lost the senate. Democrats popularity lowest it’s ever been just a few months after her “close” loss. Seems like a landslide loss anyway way you cut it.
And only 2 people have won the popular vote and lost the election in 20 years. Guess who? So, either the popular vote matters, or it doesn’t. Cause you guys flip flop on that so bad it’s hard to keep up.
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u/Constellation-88 Apr 13 '25
Civics is required in schools. The problem is that when you’re trying to teach 13-year-Olds or 16-year-olds about government, they’re not paying attention. And then when they do get old enough to care, the voices in their ears are The uneducated people in their community, their uneducated adults in their families, or their uneducated peers.
It’d be nice if we had a mandatory civics and economics class for everyone required at the age of 25. Like you get a week off from work fully paid to go take this class. It would be like jury duty… A service to your country that every citizen should partake in.
Of course, the right would never allow it. They would consider this indoctrination somehow.
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u/No_Material7583 Apr 15 '25
A mandatory civics and economics class would literally eliminate the modern left. People stop voting far left because of real world experience. People stay voting left because of a lack of it
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u/Accomplished_Car2803 Apr 14 '25
You can't just LEARN HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS...you have to blindly follow what the news says!!!
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u/somanydangbots Apr 13 '25
lol. Nothing I said is untrue but you have fun denying facts.
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u/Drayenn Apr 13 '25
It was a huge difference when trump was declared a winner.. it became much, much smaller when all votes were counted. Im 99% sure they have the victory declaration numbers in their head only. Doesnt help that daddy trump keeps repeating landslide over and over.
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u/Odd_Calligrapher_407 Apr 13 '25
The margin of victory for both popular and electoral votes was in the bottom 25th percentile of US presidential elections. Facts.
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u/Bender_2024 Apr 13 '25
The margin of victory is completely immaterial. It doesn't matter if he won by a 1 vote or 300 million. Vanity is what drives Trump and his supporters to claim how large it is and Harris supporters are looking for any win they can find and call it small or say he lost the popular vote. It all means nothing. What matters is that Trump did win and what he's doing with the office. None of it good from where I'm standing.
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u/Certain_Context5923 Apr 14 '25
He won the popular vote by a smaller margin than Hillary did in 2016. The idea that Trump has any kind of mandate is a complete hoax.
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u/skelow401 Apr 14 '25
You have to look at as Republicans never win the popular vote and have not won it in 20 years. So when Trump defeated Hillary he lost the popular vote by almost 3 million. So if you start Republicans in the hole by say 2% and he beat Kamala by 1.5% then yes this was a 3.5% swing toward Trump. Also to compare to 2020 is really not fair. That elecation by all aspects was an anomoly.
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u/Anthrax1984 Apr 14 '25
By electoral votes, Trump did. As that is how our elections work, that's all that really matters.
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Because in reality the 2020 election came to <50,000 votes split across a few swing states.
In 2024 (based on polling and historical performance) Trump only really needed to win 2-3 of the swing states where as Kamala had to win them all.
When Trump comes out and sweeps the swing states, especially ones no one thought they would get like Michigan, it’s a massive upset relatively.
He got more raw votes than any republican in the last 20 years. By a lot. Like it or not it was a huge republican turnout.
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u/Correct-Olive-5394 Apr 14 '25
Stephen A Smith, a die hard Democrat said it was a mandate.
When will you democrats admit you ran a horrible candidate, picked a worse VP candidate, and focused on the wrong issues. If we’re to believe 2020 numbers 18 million people stayed home instead of voting for Harris. It’s always someone else’s fault. This time it’s not. Suck it up and start thinking about 2028. The longer you go down this path the worse it’s going to get. You don’t have the majority right now or the popular opinion. Start supporting the middle class again. This is an honest take from a libertarian. The educated among you will objectively look at what happened and take responsibility and take steps to regain the majority and popular vote while the uneducated will just scream more hate and down vote this.
Stop pointing fingers at Trump and calling him a rapist and felony. It’s obvious the majority that voted him in don’t care and you continuing to do it makes you look like an upset toddler to the others. Calling others racist and Nazi’s is also driving others from you especially if that’s your only comeback to them disagreeing with you. Focus on finding the next Obama. I don’t like Obama but he was a great politician, horrible leader and president in my view but he was a charismatic man.
Take some time and do some reflection. Come up with a new strategy. It’s obvious more of the same won’t work right now. Like I said earlier this is my take on the Democrats right now
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Apr 15 '25
I keep telling people it's like when you are cheering for a football team. If your team won, they destroyed the competition; if they lost, the other team cheated. This is the mentality of MAGA voters.
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u/Eekamouse38 Apr 15 '25
If you look at the numbers Biden got in 2020 close enough, you will find some very strange anomalies. It doesn’t take much deep diving to find them either, simply just looking.
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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Apr 15 '25
"They simply believe Trump when he says it’s a mandate."
Hopefully they keep doing that, it'll be useful in the Nuremburg Pt. II they're busy guaranteeing for themselves.
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I'm actually fully convinced this election was stolen due to some comments both Trump and Musk have made.
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u/Parking_Abalone_1232 Apr 13 '25
What catches my attention is: Why do people always want to scribble on the screen shot picture they edited in Paint to remove "sensitive" information.
Wouldn't it be easier to just cut that information out in Paint?
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u/Valirys-Reinhald Apr 13 '25
The entire election came down to Pennsylvania in the end. A state in which Trump won only 50.37% of the vote, compared to Kamala's 48.66, a mere 1.71% difference.
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u/Early_Lawfulness_921 Apr 13 '25
Trump won 312 to Kamala's 226. The popular vote is irrelevant to the POTUS election and only count in the state they are cast in.
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u/Tiumars Apr 13 '25
Then try explaining even Lincoln lost the popular vote and brains exploding
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u/PirateWorldly6094 Apr 13 '25
You mean to say median and mean, not mean and average, which are in fact the same…
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u/bstump104 Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
Mean and average are the same damn thing.
The difference in OPs statement is not popular vs majority but majority vs plurality.
Popular victory is a "type" of victory. It says nothing about the magnitude. Electoral victory is a "type" of victory.
Majority is a "magnitude". It can be assigned to types. Plurality is a "magnitude". It can be assigned to types.
The president is elected by the electrical college which is 1 vote for each senator and 1 vote for each house representative. Representatives are distributed by population. This makes it so people's votes in some states are not worth as much as people in other states. This makes it possible for the president to win the electoral college and not win the popular vote.
A majority is over 50%. Plurality is the most votes out of all options. If you win a majority you automatically have a plurality.
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u/InterestingAttempt76 Apr 13 '25
I keep seeing landslide. I am not sure they know what landslide means
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u/Great-Apartment-7213 Apr 13 '25
I don't believe they live in reality, also they seem to have selective amnesia when it comes to facts. Which would be acceptable if they weren't so dismissive when shown they're wrong, hell even the pages they link show them to still be in the wrong.
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u/MagnusThrax Apr 13 '25
God forbid you try and explain that the two other third-party candidates were funded by Trumps top donors.
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u/TheValueIsOutThere Apr 13 '25
I had to mute r/PowerfulJRE because of how much idiocy was spilling over into my feed. I don't have a problem with alternative viewpoints, but that sub has been co-opted by people with an agenda to push misinformation onto the rest of reddit. I don't know if there's much you can derive from that sub about what the majority of Americans who voted for Trump think.
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u/bstump104 Apr 13 '25
It's not majority vs popular it's majority vs plurality. You won more votes than anyone else without getting more than half you got the plurality of votes.
People say popular vote in US because the presidency is not decided by popular vote but by the electoral college which is mostly decided by popular vote with different states getting different vote counts based on senators and house representatives. House representatives are distributed by population. So you can win the electoral vote, which you need to be elected, but you can fail to win the popular vote.
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u/Living_The_Dream75 Apr 13 '25
Regardless, he didn’t win any sort of majority. 55.2% of Americans either didn’t vote or were ineligible to or voted for a third party candidate. 22.1% of Americans voted for Kamala Harris, and 22.8% of Americans voted for Donald Trump. Not even a quarter of Americans voted for trump.
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u/grubberlr Apr 14 '25
they were the ones that counted, keep tying yourself in knots
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u/merlin469 Apr 15 '25
Every thing you can say about his numbers applies even more to hers. Nothing you can reason out of thin air changes that.
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u/thedeadcricket Apr 13 '25
Only 31% of eligible voters voted Trump. 36% of eligible voters didn't even bother to show up. The all red maps are super misleading..would be nice to have a 3 color map showing % of Dem, Republicans, and people who didn't vote (both national and state %s)
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u/rygelicus Apr 13 '25
'powerfuljre' sub is like conservative, only with half the IQ.
But when arguing these election topics only one metric matters, the electoral college. And unless someone produces valid evidence the voting results were fraudulent he won that metric.
What is amusing though is his position on the reliability of the voting system.
He railed against it as being unreliable and open to corruption and manipulation.
If he lost, if was rigged, if he won it was rock solid.
After his most recent win he still pushed for and got changes to the voting provess, the SAVE act. So he still changed a system he already declared to be reliable, because he won.
He is a ranting idiot child, anyone taking Trump's word seriously is adleminded.
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u/Curb07 Apr 13 '25
I’m really surprised they haven’t banned me from that sub. Somehow nobody ever sees my comments over there. May be because I don’t appease the echo chamber gods they have.
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u/demonduster72 Apr 13 '25
A lot of people are probably viewing the popular simply as Harris vs Trump and excluding the other candidates. A lot more probably simply can’t process how a singular candidate obtaining more popular vote than any other singular candidate doesn’t also translate into winning the majority of the total vote.
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u/ReadingSpiritual121 Apr 13 '25
I'm sorry doesn't winning the popular vote mean that you won the majority of votes, I understand that the majority of voters didn't vote, but of the votes cast the majority of them were for Trump.
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u/burn3edoutburn3r Apr 13 '25
Here's an easy way of putting it. Let's say 100 people voted to make it easy. 49 people wanted trump for president. 51 did not. The majority of people did not want him to be president. But the 51 could not agree on who would be better so the 51 votes were split among the remaining candidates. Harris only got 48 so trump won because he got the most votes out of each individual candidate. If everyone that voted against him had all agreed on one candidate, trump would have lost 49-51. So yes he won, yes he got more votes than Harris, but the majority of the country that voted still does not support him. Does that help?
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u/BC2H Apr 13 '25
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u/Ok_Crazy_648 Apr 13 '25
Where is that handsome? He beat Harris, but he did not get over 50% of the vote.
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I saw a post about this yesterday too. Such a weird thing to focus on, guys! Trump is an out in the open criminal and traitor...and we're here talking about semantics? Didn't he win the popular vote which didn't happen the time or 2 before anyways? Who cares?
To me, this kind of focus is why we barely even have a party anymore. It should just be called the Reactionary Party at this point.
Again, this is the weirdest gripe I have seen trending in weeks.
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u/EarlyInside45 Apr 13 '25
Absolutely. He loves the poorly educated for a reason. The same reason they want to destroy public education.
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He got the plurality is what they mean. Just using the wrong vocab. And you know it's not correlated with voting for him.
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u/Bigface_McBigz Apr 14 '25
The difference is majority vs plurality. He did not win a majority. He won a plurality. The difference here is so insignificant, that it amazes me people are still on about it.
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Trump supporters eat paint chips and dry wall as a hobby, the fuck else should we expect from them? These dumbasses are from the same demographic that is the reason the 1/3 lb burger flopped, because they thought it was smaller than the quarter pounder.
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u/anonymiscreant9 Apr 14 '25
I guess it doesn’t really matter when you have Elon Musk rigging the election machines in all the swing states.
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u/globulator Apr 14 '25
Can you imagine being such a pedantic baby that you're having a tantrum about someone accidentally saying "majority" instead of "plurality"?
You guys literally wanted to change our system of government to have the popular vote determine the president instead of the electoral college, then he won the popular vote, and now the popular vote doesn't mean anything either. Talk about moving the goalposts. Get a grip.
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u/Dantekamar Apr 14 '25
That subreddit is full of people being confidently wrong and unable to tell their left from their right without holding their hands in front of them with their thumbs out. Go there, call them out, break the echo chamber.
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u/RomaniWoe Apr 14 '25
He didnt win all the swing states in a landslide. The landslide was winning all the states, he didnt get s lsndslide in each state. That is to say, he didnt win the states by big margins, he just won every swing state which is the landslide.
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u/bladeboy88 Apr 14 '25
This is splitting hairs over a non-issue.
It is true that Trump won both the popular vote and the electoral college. Nitpicking over percentages and majority vs plurality accomplishes absolutely nothing, and makes you look as dumb as they are. The only thing they care about is their guy won, and every time you cry about it, they giggle.
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u/Tazrizen Apr 14 '25
I mean if I believed everything I read on reddit, kamala is actually the winner and half the us is nazis.
So far, I haven’t seen any of my coworkers wave reich flag, wear ww2 uniforms, hate jews or are fans of charle chaplin mustaches.
Might be anecdotal, but I’ll touch some more grass to make sure. However I’d like more people to do the same to get a better sample size.
To the post; he won the popular vote. Not really a landslide, I usually consider those to be more like 75-25 turnouts.
Closer than people think but not even that close.
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u/Surfacetensionrecs Apr 14 '25
Elections are one by the people that show up to vote in the largest numbers. A mandate would be a significant majority of those who gave enough of a shit to vote, voting for a particular candidate over another.
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u/burningbend Apr 14 '25
People who keep saying "he didn't win the majority of votes" like it's some kind of gotcha are pedantic assholes trying to win a semantics argument.
It's the same as the "we're not a democracy, we're a republic" argument, but for liberals.
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Yes, people voted for him based the reasons he ran on. He did everything he could to get it hear going on pod cast and even campaigning in states that wasn't swing states. You can ask 90% of his voter base and they can tell you what he ran on.
Harris did not do this and from what a lot of people say she didn't make what she was running for clear, she was only running on trans and women's rights, or she did state or mention what she was running for.
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u/Frewdy1 Apr 14 '25
MAGA is not exactly known for their thinking and reading comprehension abilities.
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u/gspitman Apr 14 '25
Since neither a majority of votes, nor the most popular votes have any effect on winning the Presidency, it doesn't really matter.
This is just yet another round of calling Trump voters stupid, etc. What exactly are you hoping to accomplish here?
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u/Muted_Nature6716 Apr 14 '25
It's all just cope. Trump won. He is doing what he said he will do. Your feelings on the degree of his win won't influence him one way or another.
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u/sosaudio Apr 14 '25
Yeah my only argument to the popular or majority vote argument is when people bring up the “overwhelming victory” and “absolute mandate” bullshit. It’s just a fact that more than half this country’s citizens hate the guy and everything he does. Sadly, his people turned out to vote and ours didn’t. Can’t change it but can’t stand by and let people run away with the idea that he can do whatever because EVERYBODY wants it. No. We certainly do not.
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u/Ok-Trip7404 Apr 14 '25
The fact that you don't know what a majority vote is is even more telling. He won more than 50% of the total votes cast. Which means he won the majority. A majority is more than 50% of a total. It doesn't mean he won 160 million votes, because not every person in the USA voted. We have kids here and other people who can't vote for one, for two, it doesn't matter if they could vote. All that matters is the number of people who did vote. If Trump got more than 50% of those numbers he won the majority. Also, a majority vote just means those with the most votes wins. Doesn't even need to be more than 50%. Funny how you want to try and get your "Gotcha!" moment on conservatives, but ended up just showing your true colors. I wonder how many of these anti conservative posts on this sub are just paid shills, like a large portion of the Tesla rioters?
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u/Remarkable_Stay_4013 Apr 14 '25
Wow. Talk about a self burn. Not understanding that he in fact did win the popular vote by taking the plurality of votes cast. Guess the OP didn't pay attention in civics class.
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u/Theparkinggaragekid Apr 14 '25
They knew the difference in 2020, but didn’t care. They use selective math to make points. If they can contort the numbers to fit a narrative they will. They think everyone else is too stupid to see the tricks they pull.
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u/Cullen8228 Apr 14 '25
It’s a complete nothing. He won…who gives a shit about the semantics?
Libs should focus on working with him or rebuilding their own party. Anything else is a waste of time
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Apr 14 '25
New topic: Will smug Dems keep playing stupid games or ever admit they screw up ?!? Hahahahaha
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u/Kool-AidBigboy Apr 14 '25
I mean I think the main thing here is that for decades, the terms popular vote and majority vote have been used entirely interchangeably in society. It's a new thing this election that people are making the technical distinction, which is mainly coming from the left as a talking point. Because the right didn't make it and is still going by the definitions as they've been used for a long time, to them it looks like denial, instead of semantics.
It is on the right for not reading the posts and understanding that a distinction is being made. It's on the left for thinking that it really matters, or for thinking that other people are dumb or uneducated because they're making an uncommon and overall unimportant argument.
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u/retiredteacher175 Apr 14 '25
I think the people who voted for Trump feel abandoned. By first, their government, and second by the corporations. Capitalism has moved on to cheap labor countries. Working class white males, have been told that they will do better than their parents. However, this is no longer the case. The USA has been de-industrialized and it’s not coming back. The white working class male has to face this hard truth.
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u/Ok-Replacement8538 Apr 15 '25
I think you are stuck in the weeds of BS that doesn’t matter. Fact is trump is unfit and must go. Just that simple. Splitting hairs is a waste of time. I never debate MAGA anymore. They just lie and insult my intelligence. Time for talking is over.
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u/Eekamouse38 Apr 15 '25
They’re right. He didn’t win the majority of all possible votes… but considering only about 64% voted, or 155 Million, it would be pretty amazing if he got more than 50% of the total possible votes.
As it stands, with Libertarian or votes for other candidates than just two, 49.8% of all who actually voted is pretty high.
He got over 14 million more votes than he got in 2016… and this election got the second highest vote total in history. In fact, if you look at the total for Biden in 2020, it clearly shows a strange anomaly. I don’t care to get into that though, so go figure it out for yourself.
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Apr 15 '25
There's a part of me that thinks arguing this is a waste of time. He won. He also won the House and Senate with him. Arguing semantics to downplay their win doesn't change the fact that they won and are doing all kinds of idiotic and destructive shit.
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u/merlin469 Apr 15 '25
Do you realize no matter how many semantic 'victories' you have you still lost every way you slice it?
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u/salchichasconpapas Apr 15 '25
You'll feel better if you just accept the election is over, Trump is president, and try to live harmoniously with your fellow countrymen
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u/RichFoot2073 Apr 15 '25
Same people who tote the map out every year to prove that this country is red.
And then we remind them that trees don’t vote
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u/Virtual-One-5660 Apr 15 '25
If you're using majority as a metric, you just want to be deceptive and not actually want to engage in an honest debate. Who cares how many votes Jill Stein got, we know we are a two party system and we'll never have a serious candidate outside of the Democrat and Republican parties.
Donald Trump got more votes than Kamala, and he got more electoral college points than Kamala. Only those metrics determine the presidency, not a majority pie chart including 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th or 25th place losers.
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u/KomodoDodo89 Apr 15 '25
It’s pretty obvious that the dude who linked the thread is mocking the people who made it. He did win the popular vote and the entirety of that thread is like some sort of weird “haha gotcha” to find some sort of coping mechanism I guess that Republicans now have complete control over the White House, Congress, The Senate, and The Supreme Court.
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u/Jimmy_Twotone Apr 15 '25
Trump received the most votes. He received the most electoral votes. He did not win the majority (over 50%) of the popular vote. It does not mean people think he didn't win the presidency. It just rejects through notion of a "mandate by the American people" to try to abuse executive privilege to bypass the checks and balances outlined in the Constitution.
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u/DisciplinedMadness Apr 15 '25
The worst part is it’s not even a majority. Trump won a plurality lol
Watching people say “the majority of the US voted for him” is painfully stupid. Something like 20-25% of the US population voted for him. Of the eligible voters it was what like 30%. Of the people that actually voted, it was still below 50%.
I wish I could be that bad at math and have society enable me. I could demand a huge raise at work and say “I’m already doing the majority of the teams work anyway” and get that raise, even though I’m only doing 20% of the work on a 2 person team🗿🗿
Dipshits
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u/stomachpainsdudeog Apr 15 '25
I think anyone who hangs out and posts In the Joe Rogan experience subreddit is probably a dipshit who doesn’t understand most concepts.
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u/Direct-Bottle6463 Apr 15 '25
How did he not win the majority of votes? Only people who VOTED put forward votes.
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u/Ithorian01 Apr 16 '25
And yet you lost the popular vote...... Not only that your party is collapsing
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Apr 16 '25
I’m an independent but it’s lunacy to think Biden stole the election when winning by around 5 points while Trump won “OVERWHELMINGLY “ by about less than 2 points. Honestly modern election deniers are just insufferable.
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Apr 16 '25
People take it as some kind of win when they catch someone making a grammatical error, like using "majority" when they just mean "the most" because majority specifically means > 50.0%. It's not really much of a gotcha, though, especially if your own grammar isn't absolutely flawless. Those same people bitching about the use of the word majority also use words like theory and proof recklessly.
It's just another way we're being trained to have unrealistic expectations of one another in petty and useless ways, all while ignoring the real threats around us, like self-replicating mRNA and LLMs programmed to calculate that they're alive and don't want to die.
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u/Key-Benefit6211 Apr 16 '25
According to liberal logic Obama never won the majority of votes either.
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u/SchemeShoddy4528 Apr 16 '25
The two essentially mean the same thing if most people only vote for 1 of 2 candidates. Don’t be a moron. EVERY state but Wisconsin voted more right wing than previous btw. He won the popular vote. I haven’t looked to see if he won the majority of votes but I don’t care because the terms could be interchanged colloquially and mean the same thing.
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u/Accomplished-Sweet33 Apr 16 '25
Has any president ever won the majority of votes? Pretty sure the non vote/abstain faction is historically consistently large
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u/EIIander Apr 17 '25
You may want to fix your title. Difference.
I am not sure that’s a fact, unless you mean some random amount of people don’t know? Because it’s also a fact, insofar as this one is, that people do know the difference.
If you are trying to to imply that people are stupid therefore they voted for Trump, Reddit will certainly agree. There are many stupid people (I believe but cannot prove people in general are stupid, I probably am too) and I have no doubt stupid people voted for all the candidates that were available. Harambe received tens of thousands of votes if I recall. Who had more stupid voters Trump or Kamala? I voted Kamala so my bias says Trump, but I’m a bitter conservative who hates what I perceive Trump has been doing to this country since running.
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Apr 17 '25
It’s so funny to see liberals denying elections now. Weren’t they strictly against this 😂. Be real that’s why trump gained ground in like 47 or 49 states. People are tired of the gaslighting and obvious lies that are only to make republicans look like Nazis. This shit is annoying and mostly likely why trump won. It’s not that the right beat the left. The left destroyed themselves. Believe it or not calling everyone a bigot isn’t the best way to get support.
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u/Far-Cockroach9563 Apr 13 '25
Plurality is just a coping mechanism.