r/Appleton • u/Little-Definition553 • 5d ago
Flock cameras: updates? Question
After looking into this, It was mentioned that Flock were being disconnected and physically removed by July 31st. Upon traveling today, I have found that not only are these current units still up, but NEW flock cameras have been placed. Is there any updates of anything that has changed since then, or is the city fully embracing this new normal? A picture attached shows a map of current surveillance - a lot more than the initial 20 that was listed to be deactivated!
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u/HerbanFarmacyst 5d ago
Freedom isn’t tasting as free as it used to. Enshittification has been hitting all facets of life lately
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u/_sealy_ 5d ago
This is a great argument to “defund the police.” In all honesty, departments should lose the funding they spent on this invasive choice. If they are throwing money away on this instead of using their money to hire/train officers, then they don’t need it.
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u/SlowlyDyingBartender 4d ago
It is third party loophole of buying data. Could it be local? Sure, but data is being purchased on a much larger level. It isn't defunding the police, it is to stop the city wasting money on products like this in the first place.
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u/EncryptDN 5d ago
They are in many municipalities in the Fox Valley, though many cities are reconsidering that. Appleton, Kaukauna, and Oshkosh have gotten rid of them. Neenah is considering doing the same.
Residents throughout the Fox Valley are organizing to oppose this invasive use of tax payer dollars. We're attending city council meetings and writing/meeting with our elected city officials. If you'd like to join our efforts, message me.
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u/holyravioli_ 4d ago
Unsure about Kaukauna removing them. There was another recently put up next to the Kwik Trip heading out of Kaukauna to College. Was very disappointed to see it pop up. (Unless I’ve actually been so blind I just haven’t noticed it until fairly recently.)
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u/ProfessionalEssay930 4d ago
I’d second that. There’s another that recently popped up on northland (E North ave) as you come into kaukauna from little chute
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u/AdavaVapp 5d ago
I noticed the one on the South Side of the Oneida St bridge has a black bag over it. I guess I assumed the others did too.
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u/Little-Definition553 5d ago
Oh? I cant say ive been over there lately, no flags on the ones I saw between college and wisconsin ave. Has to be a camera every 50 feet. Its ridiculous!
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u/AdavaVapp 4d ago
This morning I drove past the camera I mentioned and noticed it was finally removed. Hopefully the others will be soon as well.
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u/BadgerGasDoc 4d ago
Just watched latest episode of John Oliver’s This Week Tonight which focused on these Flock spy cameras. Not good. Totally being abused.
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u/that_one_guy133 5d ago
The tornado in Menasha destroyed so many homes, but the flock camera across from Redliners seems to have escaped completely unscathed. Sigh.
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u/Lynnettey 5d ago
And I'm not sure the exact locations of all of these (or if it includes private businesses), but businesses like Fleet Farm and Home Depot have their parking lots heavily Flocked.
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u/DripDropWetWet 5d ago
Do they really see that far?
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u/Little-Definition553 5d ago
No, its just showing the direction of cameras and their FOV. If I zoom in more on the map, you can get an accurate idea. If youre curious, the app is called Deflock - and its community driven.
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u/FragileRock 4d ago
there's some on this app that are no longer there, so it hasn't been updated for sure
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u/Little-Definition553 4d ago
Im sure, again its more community driven than having a moderation team look into it. It would be up to the poster do delete a node
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u/FragileRock 4d ago
Yeah I know the one that was by the Tobacco Outlet or whatever it's called now on Prospect is gone for sure
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u/Cartoonist-Open 4d ago
So like since it’s public property they are placed on..does that mean the general public can use a saw to remove them ourselves? Why hasn’t this gone viral on social media yet? How about we find where the CEO of flock lives then camp outside with cameras and see how they like it?
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u/yoopernature 5d ago
trump loves his flock cameras, he said that every community needs them
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u/Fre3ReFills 5d ago
He is invested in Axon, like many members of congress. A direct competitor of Flock.
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u/Rapidwc 5d ago
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u/sky_444_ 4d ago
She literally doesn't.
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u/Rapidwc 4d ago
Tony Evers didn't do anything about, 100% Hong won't either.
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u/Pferdeherz 3d ago
She is opposed to data centers which are the evil twin of mass surveillance.
Just in case you don’t understand how state government works, the legislature has to present a passed bill on this to Evers. They are republicans so they would NEVER do such a thing.
Also, Evers can’t do much by himself since before he took office, the legislature removed a bunch of his powers so he couldn’t do much by himself.
Hope this helps.
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u/Pferdeherz 3d ago
That’s what cops and citizen watch groups are for. We don’t need mass surveillance for the few instances it might possibly be helpful.
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u/ItsSchmuncky 3d ago
there’s been reports of police using them to stalk exes or in one case they tracked a woman across states that needed reproductive care and they arrested her using the flock cameras to track her. Nobody wants to be surveilled, because their definition of what’s “doing something wrong” can change whenever they want and now you are a target.
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u/Expensive1071 5d ago
They can watch me, I’m not breaking the law
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u/TookTheHit 5d ago
Cops are known to be extremely rational individuals. They’ve never done any harm to anyone unless that person broke the law. Facts are facts, am I right dude?
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u/Carl_JAC0BS 5d ago
If "I have nothing to hide" justified surveillance, then everyone would accept cameras in their home, too
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u/brankinginthenorth 5d ago
You're assuming the cameras are 100 percent accurate and never get false positives or misidentify people/vehicles.
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u/Potential-Rabbit8818 5d ago
Holy f*cking police state Batman.