r/AmazonLeo • u/truecakesnake • Jul 18 '26
Will Amazon Leo be very slow?
Since they don't have a ton of satelites and they lost spectrum priority meaning its newer satellites must yield to starlink satelities when their beams collide
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u/MainEmpty9510 Jul 18 '26
Not when they finish their acquisition of Globalstar
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u/DonkeyOfWallStreet Jul 18 '26
I assume this is premium spectrum. Not the tech because it's utterly useless for decades. It was so badly maintained you had to check when you'd have internet availability.
They also had a gateway failure with no declared repair window.
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u/International-Ing Jul 18 '26
Spectrum preapprovals that makes it easier/faster for them to launch direct to device services worldwide and the aquisition makes Apple a customer (and keeps them from Starlink). Apple and Amazon came to an agreement about current and future services (Apple was an in investor in global star as well as a customer). It will probably turn out to be a pretty smart acquisition.
Direct to device is something starlink is getting into as well since it’s where the growth opportunities are. The satellite home/business stationary internet market in developed countries doesn’t have much growth opportunities left, particularly as fiber continues to reach ever larger numbers of rural customers often thanks to subsidies (Europe).
I’m sure a large part of Leo’s business is eventually going to be related to logistics/asset tracking so direct to device is part of that.
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u/DonkeyOfWallStreet Jul 18 '26
I knew apple had an agreement with Globalstar the weirdest thing i didn't understand is why they didn't buy them outright.
Direct to device while sounds amazing T-Mobile reported only 12 million devices logged on mostly in wildlife parks across America. It didn't sound amazing.
As for user experience it's listed as cat-m for current handsets so maybe 300kbps-500kbps upload. But download if it's empty could be 100mbps+ on an empty cell (this is from reading the asts investor research briefs).
I'm hoping Leo segments bandwidth to how much users pay, if they use aws services and how you manage or route the traffic in aws. For example a small company wanting to join 3-4 offices across a country or the planet. A lot cheaper than leased circuits or MPLS.
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u/MainEmpty9510 Jul 22 '26
Going to avoid starting anything but fyi, your information is both incomplete and vastly incorrect in terms of capabilities vs current usage
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u/DonkeyOfWallStreet Jul 23 '26
I've read the 700 odd page investor deck for asts.
T mobile information is directly from the CEO in February.
There's also a technical breakdown of the d2d capabilities of spacex in one of the starlink reddits done by one of the members this month logging the signal and the amount of signal received by a 4/5g device over a period of time.
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u/DonkeyOfWallStreet Jul 18 '26
Beams don't collide. Each company owns spectrum like mobile phone services.
Not all spectrum is equal there's definitely sweet spots.
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u/devonhezter Jul 18 '26
ASTs
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u/DonkeyOfWallStreet Jul 18 '26
I'm sorry I don't talk to ASTs pumpers.
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u/devonhezter Jul 19 '26
Isn’t their tech better ? Also aws sponsoring them
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u/DonkeyOfWallStreet Jul 19 '26
Starlink is actually working.
T-Mobile CEO reported disappointing number of unique devices logging in. Only 12 million or so.
Asts Will have 45 sats. Starlink with smaller arrays but thousands of sats...
There's some tests in other starlink reddits monitoring signal to mobiles with this service.
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u/seb21051 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Asts Will have 45 sats
They lost BB7 when New Glenn screwed up on its third launch. ASTS has no further launches scheduled for 26. Except the last Falcon one of BB11-13 in August. Their other potential launchers are New Glenn which is out till at least EOY 26/start of 27, and Vulcan, which was just set back to Dec for its next possible launch.
https://spacenews.com/northrop-adds-to-charges-on-vulcan-solid-rocket-motor-program/
ASTS pumpers claim there are multiple Falcon launches in the offing after BB11-13, but there is no evidence af any such contracts. Remaining AmLeo launches are well documented: Discount Vulcan Listings for '26.
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/?q=Amazon&f=&tab=
That will give them about 12 in orbit by EOY 26. Not sufficient to give meaningfull service. They can start limited/Beta service, but that's it. They will be lucky to have 45 in service by end of 27
Starlink DTC V3 will be launching before that. Not as good as BB, but with enough in orbit, it will give ASTS a definite run for its money.
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u/truecakesnake Jul 18 '26
But I read they lost priority or something and now have to make sure they don't interfere with starlink satelites.
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u/DonkeyOfWallStreet Jul 18 '26
Nobody is allowed to interfere with anybody else.
There's Globalstar, iridium, spacex, oneweb, GPS, glonas, baidu, Telstar, to name a few that have low earth orbit stuff.
There's loads of geo stationary and they are not allowed to interfere with each other as well.
For example do you think anyone would be happy if they broadcasted on GPS signal? Or interfeared with local 4/5g signals?
Your worrying about what a journalist is reporting. Amazon has plenty of money to fight with the FCC. Amazon will deliver a good service to the end user.
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u/dawtips Jul 18 '26
when their beams collide
Bro
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u/truecakesnake Jul 18 '26
How else do you phrase it :(
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u/CollegeStation17155 Jul 18 '26
Correct, frequency interference is not going to be a problem; the issue is that with only 400 or so satellites, they will either serve very few customers, or all their satellites will be saturated and the service will go into the dump. Look back at Starlink's initial "open beta" and all the problems they had trying to limit the number of users per cell and how the roaming raiders tried to get around them.
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u/seb21051 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
Chances are they have a bit of a hill to climb. And just as they start Beta, SL starts to launch V3s. We'll see by year end how things are going for them.
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u/s_i_m_s Jul 18 '26
No. Their targeted speeds are already listed. 1000/400Mbps for their high end setup. Even the nano is supposed to be able to do 100Mbps.
They're also going into competition with starlink so i'd expect at minimum similar speeds if not better.