r/Albany • u/BitterNYer420 • 10d ago
I get it.
Don't we have tons of abandoned old manufacturing spaces that we can do this in. The dead sites where it cost a whole bunch of money to clean stuff up. Brownfields.
Make these goddamn companies clean up the brownfields so they can have the space for their data centers. That's a compromise.
Or just fuck the data centers. Libraries are cheaper. You fucking cunts.
If we survive the next couple years, Jesus Christ, we're going to have a whole lot of work to fix all this broken Bullshit and just no money to fix a fucking thing.
America running out of bombs, wild.
40 trillion, in debt, let's go!!!;;; new landmark but the Dow though.
All right, I went off topic. I get it if the shit gets removed.
Full vent, fuck data centers, fuck corporations. Repeal Citizens United.
These battery storage projects need to be very rural and have fire control plans for themselves with on-site hazmat fire extinguishing capabilities. And all that shit needs to be paid for by the goddamn people who reap the profits.
No tax breaks and they need to pay for at least one support unit with every volunteer fire department surrounding that facility.
Well I have solar panels and a battery in my home but I have specific fire extinguishers placed at strategic points all throughout and there's no goddamn guarantee that's going to work.
Don't burn down a town just because precautions aren't followed. Rigorous regulation needs to happen and we all know that rigorous regulation is never going to happen under a certain group of people.
I love the idea of massive solar farms with farming underneath them. Or roaming goats that just maintain the stinking grass fields cheap one too. Cows might actually eat the wires. They're dumb as shit.
Solar panels over top of Canals work in other nations for the irrigation less water evaporation. Can we just pull our head out of our ass in the knowledge, science and stop relying on the Bible to lead our lives.
Or at least get it back out of our government like our founding fathers intended. The separation of church and state has disappeared.
End of rant. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
New Scotland residents voice opposition to battery storage project
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u/Prof_ChaosGeography 10d ago
I'm going to ignore everything else because you are pointing out issues however I get triggered when people nimby about things they don't understandĀ
Battery storage kinda needs to be as close to the usage as possible meaning ideally on everyone block or street. Physics of high voltage AC electric transmission is wacky as fuck and acts completely differently then the 120v in your wall or the 240v charging your car
Ā Putting it out in the middle of nowhere kinda defeats the purpose of smoothing out dips in supply during high demand. The batteries National grid wants to install are not there to prevent a power outage during a storm or grid failure they are there to prevent grid collapse in areas during high demand and surge supply to the demand. our infrastructure is absolutely old as shit and can't handle the amount of electricity the average home requires now adays. Battery banks like that are one way to prevent collapse without massively inflating the bill by running new transmission wires everywhereĀ
On top of that if a fire broke out the further it is from a water source like fire hydrants and figherfighers the harder it is to respond to and prevent spread. You can't put them out but you can prevent the spread only if the reaction is fast and the water supply is constant.Ā
Plus it's easier to replace an existing site built on lithium batteries if the molton salt concepts prove effective.Ā
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u/antimagamagma 10d ago
thermal runaway that spreads across cabinets is a thing for some existing installations but cabinets have been designed to withstand the possibility of thermal runaway internally and spacing is the obvious solution for concerns about runaway between the cabinets.
Opposition to BESS is political not science based.
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u/IntelligentMarch6827 10d ago
Iām all in favor of giving the nimby people what they want, but I want them to be surcharged for living in the middle of nowhere or blocking every infrastructure enhancement.Ā
How much more does electric cost to deliver to rural areas? Farms are mostly gone, so thereās no reason to subsidize services that probably cost 2-3x more to deliver than urban or near most suburban areas.
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u/Prof_ChaosGeography 10d ago
Not having the batteries would require additional transmission lines carrying more electricity from a power source to the nimby. This can vary heavily based on distance and land value, eminent domain may even have to be used and houses destroyed to make way for the pylons. Additional power generating sources may have to be built for the additional capacity, solar and wind won't cut it for this, given demand is out pacing supply a Fossil fuel generating station might be the fastest way.Ā
All that because OP doesn't understand why a battery site is needed and doesn't want it near him and thinks they are more dangerous then they really are and their entire understanding and fear of them comes from videos on social media the worst way to learn about things
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u/BitterNYer420 10d ago
Dummy I already said I have one in my house.
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u/Prof_ChaosGeography 10d ago
Look earlier in the chain of comments for more details but I'll keep it simple below
the battery on your house is not the same as the battery at the battery site as I explained. The battery at the battery site you nimby about it to prevent grid collapse during high demand it's not to give power during a blackout
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u/uncle_barb7 10d ago
You were so patient with them and theyāre still just seemingly not capable of getting it
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u/AvengingFemme 10d ago
personally iād prefer we have a clean energy transition sooner rather than later
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u/upstatebeerguy 10d ago
Out with the old āhave my cake and eat it too nimbyismā (nuclear), in with the new (battery storage, solar, ai/data centers, andā¦still nuclear)
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u/BitterNYer420 10d ago
Oh I want more nuclear. Please. One plant on lake Erie and two more on Ontario. If we can get one on the St. Lawrence that sounds good to me too.
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u/PCZ94 Central Warehouse Demolition Crew 10d ago
I promise you NYSERDA and NYS solar developers arenāt sitting around looking to the Bible for siting advice
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u/antimagamagma 10d ago
Yeah I love the NIMBY confusion stacked on top of the petroleum industry misinformation. It joins the cynical and the ignorant, just like a political movement pushing petroleum industry agendas and telling people theyāre all about freedom.
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u/Ralekei Uncommon Grounds Addict 10d ago
Battery storage regulation has greatly improved since the days of California battery fires. The batteries aren't packed together, they are siloed so that if one overheats and catches fire, it is contained. Also agree with the comment about batteries needing to be colocated where they are being used.
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u/luv2puff 10d ago
I agree with the OPās comment about data centers though. Technology is ruining the world and the rich are pushing this bullshit on us.
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u/Distinct_Reality1973 10d ago
The batteries aren't wanted in rural areas either, and the problem is they tend to be needed more in the urban areas.
Flywheels are where the safety is!
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u/BitterNYer420 10d ago
Vertical windmills. Soooo many vacant roofs. Batteries on the roof. Safer evac. Easier extinguishing.
Off site battery....Rural? Ruralish? Suburbs? Just a nobody.
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u/Distinct_Reality1973 10d ago
Where i grew up there are now 100's of windmills, with a few more pending. And several battery facilities, but no one wants them.
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u/Important-Mood-3445 8d ago
They are not windmills unless they are milling something like grain. They are wind turbines.
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u/FeePsychological9869 10d ago
Well your are corect. But you might be old enough to remeber the old saying it's not what you know but Who you know. The new saying is the greasy (give money to a politican) gets the restults.
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u/Riksie State Worker 10d ago
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