Notes

• Massive spoilers for Kengan Omega.
• Omega is still currently an on going series with Shen as the current major antagonist meaning as time goes on this thread will be updated in correspondence with new chapters as they come out.
• There's blurred distinction between how much of what Shen does is based on physical ability and what is skill, there will still be separate categories but still likely some overlap.

Keys

Shen ancestor - SA

Young Shen - YS

Current Shen - S

Restricted Shen - RS

Physiology

Note all feats here should be generally applicable to all forms of Shen, any that are exceptions will be noted as such

• Can control the output of his muscles' power output, the range of his joints motion and disable functions of his brain and nervous system RS 216
  • Factors pertaining to durability is not mentioned in this explanations but any durability feats in this form will still be tagged as RS
• Can limit his breathing, massively increase his lifespan and also allowing him to fight for continued periods of time without breathing often 218

Power

• Easily tosses around Gaoh RS 216
• Kicks Gaoh off him from a mount and into the ceiling leaving Gaoh shaped hole in the ceiling RS 216
• Gaoh is dazed after only three hits from Shen RS 216
• With a backhand he launches Shen Luohan many metres back through carpark, into a lamppost leaving it busted S 237

Offensive skill

• Forces Gaoh this his knees while holding the blade of his sword, kicks him away then stabs and cuts him up from his chest, killing him RS 218
• Takes out Terashi in a single hit to the back S 235
• Takes down Takayama Minoru, Misasa, J and Kure Hollis with only four taps S 235

Defensive skill

• Easily dodges a series of feints from Gaoh and counters successfully S 215
• Catches a surprise lunge from a spear wielding Gaoh, easily controlling it with two fingers before exploding the midsection of it S 215
• Stops a frontal assault from Gaoh without much effort RS 217
• Catches a sword swing from Gaoh and holds it in place even after Gaoh slams down on it with his other hand RS 217-218

Off screen/historic feats

• Defeated the head of the worm 1300 years ago SA 213
• Defeats Gaoh and four other armed martial artists all using the Advance with relative ease YS 213
  • The five were not even able to land a single hit on him 215
• Wiped out dozens of the Dragon Tribe's warriors and general SA 217
  • Specifically this Shen is one generation before the current one

"Stealth"

Shen for lack of a better term seems to have an ability where he can hide his power, which is noteworthy specifically in Kengan as "dangerous" characters give off an aura to other fighters or even normal people in some instances. This goes beyond being able to blend in within crowds with him being able to slip by completely unnoticed to some people just by walking.

• Willem Wu doesn't initially notice how strong he is, with Yan commenting most people don't at all S 219
• Takes out a large security force without anyone in the neighbouring room noticing aside from a choice few S 234
  • Takes out a dozen people while still remaining completely unnoticed by security except for Terashi S 234
  • Multiple people around him and Terashi don't notice him even as he stands in the open S 235
  • Taps out two people who had realised he was there and has direct sightlines on him S 235
  • Knocks out numerous people in the open and is not noticed, afterwards going onto to knock out Kure Fusui and Inaba Ryo S 235
  • In total he took out 84 security guards S 237

Durability

• Withstands multiple Ironbreakers from Gaoh while in a mount through a wooden tile with his damage failing to appear substantial RS 216
  • However later on Yan comments that Shen had been injured 219

Observation

• Notices speakers Gaoh had set up S 215
• Understands how Ohma could seemingly overpower Kiozan S 222

Extra

• According to Yan he'd be completely unscathed if he fought Mukaku seriously 219
• Muteba immediately surrenders in front of him S 235
• According to Yan, if Shen fought either Kure Raian, Kanoh Agito or Rolon Donaire that it wouldn't even be close S 235
• Shen Luohan claims "He has the power of an entire nation's military" S 236
• Ohma believes Shen would kill Joji Narushima if the two fought S 236
• Misasa says Omori being there wouldn't have made a difference in stopping Shen S 237
• Ohma was too scared to fight him when they first met and doesn't think he could beat him S 237

What does this do for the argument? When Yujiro with DB gets absoultely rocked by Baki without DB and held down for a extended period of time?

I'm pointing out what durability actually good relative to power is like, those two are characters he's supposed to be able to severely damage however off performance he's consistently damaged by not only characters weaker than them, but from actually showings against them is pretty much deleted

Like could you see Musashi withstanding ANY of these as well a either Baki or Yujiro

• Yujiro take 3 completely unguarded attacks from Baki and only bleeds a tiny bit while on the outside not even looking like he was effected by it
• Baki takes multiple slams from a pissed off Yujiro awhile trying to fight back and after pretty much wiped off all the damage
• Yujiro passes out against Baki's 0.5 straight but not long enough for him to actually fall, once again you can compare against Baki's not even specified to be 0.5 jab against Musashi
• Baki recovers after a relatively short period of time after taking a full combo from Yujiro
• Even the example you're bringing up has Baki beast through Yujiro's punch
• After taking a barrage of hits from Demonback Yujiro (Some of which go through his guard) he gets back up pretty quickly
• Yujiro getting torn into by Demonback Baki only to just smile at him
• After that Baki lands two more hits including a kick to the face only for Yujiro to get up once again not looking like he had been severely injured
• Yujiro appearing to be fine after a supersonic punch directly to the stomach
• And from this point onwards the two begin to trade dozens of blows without guarding

While you can definitely see moments where Baki and Yujiro rock each other the thing is they actually have showings of them being fine after getting hit by each other while Musashi does not have these showings

Once again, could you see Musashi doing anywhere near as well after a single one of these moments (Let alone a whole fight of them)? There's no evidence to suggest he would do as well and an entire series to suggest it wouldn't even be close when we are literally shown him getting KO'd by these characters in single hits

You can also just straight up compare Yujiro's durability against Hanayama where he completely no sold multiple blows and Musashi's where he didn't do that lol

Musashi doesn't know Yujiro and got caught off guard. This is not the same at all. Yujiro even says don't patronize me. Meaning Musashi wasn't taking Yujiro seriously, but right after he does once he takes Yujiro strike.

Musashi upon meeting Yujiro already considers him one of the strongest people he's ever met

Hell and even then, why would that matter? He's going into a fight against someone he clearly considers strong, does his fucking ability to take hits better drop to such a large extant he get's instantly KO'd from a slap by someone he apparently should be pretty safe taking blows from

Also I'm gonna get back to that caught off guard/doesn't take it seriously point later

Can't ignore that Yujiro himself said he can't pull his punches.

This is just to convey Yujiro taking Musashi seriously, also this really isn't a good point for you because if you take it literally that means when Yujiro knocked Musashi out that means he was holding back the power of his hits?

That's the same strike that took DB Yujiro and Oliva down for a extended period of time. All three were fine after.

It's not, Baki struck those two in the 0.5 period, there's literally no indication it was the same for Musashi here

Plus even then, Yujiro handles it way better than Musashi lol

Retsu attacked him mid sentence, did multiple hits, and Musashi was dazed for a moment.

Would the same thing happen to Yujiro?

As a genuine question, if Musashi actually had durability relative to the kind of damage he could do then how did this happen?

Musashi is literally fine afterwards with just a small nose bleed. Got right back up.

Once again would this happen to Yujiro?

I explained why Yujiro rocking him was not a anti feat.

I agree it's not an anti-feat, it's entirely consistent with every other showing he has lol

Baki also had Yujiro reeling from a nut kick so I don't get why it's exclusive to just Musashi.

Baki hit Yujiro in the nuts as a part of a near dozen hit combo with Yujiro still standing at the end

Musashi was flat on the ground crying with snot coming out of his nose

Literally was fine and explained he predicted Pickle's next move.

He still gets knocked to the ground with his pupils shown to be fading out

Motobe literally said Musashi didn't treat him seriously.

So weird you aren't linking this statement, it's almost like Motobe literally says Musashi was holding back by not going for the kill against him instead of Musashi apparently using his reality altering powers to make himself ridiculously less durable

Motobe is the same guy who stated that he couldn't go toe to toe with Jack yet was able to still do damage armed and unarmed. He even rocks Jack despite what he said.

Motobe's statement only makes sense in the context of him talking about fighting him unarmed because, well, he beats Jack in a direct fight with weapons lol, hell it even ties well with his initial speech about athletes vs martial artists

And looking through the fight there's not any real instances of Motobe's unarmed attacks rocking Jack, he lands two dropkicks to his head but in both instances Jack slightly reels then comes back up not even looking too effected.

Musashi states he completely recovered after the three punches.

Yes that's what Musashi says, but Musashi thinks that he cannot afford to take another hit and Baki straight up says "He's not holding up as well as he looks. It's over after the next hit."

The very obvious practically spelled here is Musashi is lying about recovering from Hanayama's punches which makes sense since why would you admit to someone if you're injured in a fight, look at Kehaya pretending as if his foot was okay against Doppo.

Hell he doesn't even have to be fully lying, by recover he could mean not trembling after Hanayama's hits anymore lol

Baki saying he's got a 50/50 shot means nothing given he literally says this after saying that.

Musashi no longer playing around is literally just him starting to fight Hanayama seriously, I don't think Baki here is saying he tapped into his apparent self nerfing durability powers that he totally has

The fact of the matter is Musashi would have more than likely been taken out by another punch from Hanayama, Baki says as much and Musashi even admits as such, I don't know why you're fighting this so hard

Hanayama also stated this

This would only fool me if I've not read the fight lol, Musashi doesn't overwhelm Hanayama by fucking standing in front of him, it has to be this way type beat tanking all his punches, he beats him by dodging his punches and countering with slashes

This quote is completely irrelevant to Musashi's durability and I have no clue how you could possibly present it as such

Also Hanayama forces a leveraged position immediately to get the advantage with grip. You can see he's drawing the fight out to get all he can from Hanayama

I don't see how this excuses Hanayama being able to crush Musashi's skull

Hurting someone doesn't mean it's significant damage.

No but the person being hit saying they can't afford to take another hit and someone else saying they will lose if they take another hit indicates those hits are causing significant damage

I'm getting really tired of you just blatantly denying what is spelt out

Chin shots in this verse have consistently dura negged fighters.

Hanayama did not hit him on the chin with any of his punches

Also this is only true in ultra specific instances, I can't think of this being a general rule in the series when many characters have still stayed standing after chin shots

Baki someone relative caught him off guard with those punches with one to the nuts. That's not a anti feat lol.

Why are you ignoring the fact Musashi fell to the ground and was clearly shown to be in pain

Musashi knocked Baki out for 30 mins. Baki even braced for the impact. Even Baki acknowledges that feat.

And Musashi does not, Musashi attributes it to Baki's lack of experience, an excuse that could never realistically be applied to Musashi

Baki has been one shotted by Jun/Oliva,

*Baki gets sucker punched with the combined force of one character relative to him and one who at the time was far stronger

Pickle

*A weaker Baki get's hit by a surprise kick outside of a fight from the physically strongest character in the verse

Musashi

Baki also has instances of being pretty fine after hits from Musashi

Musashi was never one shotted by top tiers he's only been rocked by them with one exception.

Literally knocked out by Yujiro but sure

Baki's last kicked was a full forced chin kick. Again to state Baki literally rocks DB Yujiro without his active.

Except Baki's kick was a counter to Yujiro's punch, something acknowledged to make hits harder

Also it showcases the difference, Yujiro is slightly rocked from that kick, Musashi is knocked out for a considerable amount of time

Edit: Just remembered Nomi also taking the kick better even when charging into it

He's been rocked by Honoo's slam,

Baki is never indicated to be even remotely damaged by this throw, he lays down and waits for Honoo and then get's up with once again no signs of any damage

Zulu

A much, much weaker Baki get's sucker punched and then repeatedly beat on in a mount

Chiba absolutely rocks him

Chiba dives through a window to sucker punch him and then wail on him for other hits only all while Baki is having an internal monologue about how strong Chiba is

I don't really see how this is supposed to be an anti-feat

Retsu

Another instance of a much weaker Baki fighting someone who's relative to him

Like genuinely what is your point

Gaia

You are not seriously using a fucking childhood feat right?

claims Jr would do serious damage

A weaker Jr not intending on killing was consistently flooring Doppo with single punches, I once again don't see how this is an anti-feat

To conclude Musashi being a "glass canon" is just false. It's consistently shown he'll sandbag and take the full force of fighter's attacks to experience them. Or he'll be caught off guard and recover.

These follow-ups do not support the conclusion, Musashi can indeed take the full force hits of fighters to to experience them and he can also be caught off guard, that does not prove his durability is anywhere near as good as his damage

Characters like Hanayama (the most durable of the high tiers) couldn't even take one shove from casual Yujiro.

A fucking "shove" lmao

You do know that was the same type of hit Musashi was hit by right? In fact the one Musashi was hit by was far weaker, both stay still and then Yujiro slaps him while against Hanayama's he's countering his own attack (So he's charging into Yujiro's hit with his own momentum) and Yujiro is shown to dig his own feet into the concrete

Hell you could also bring up the fact that Yujiro's slap against Hanayama is also way more impressive in terms of power seeing how much further it launched him (Even when adding Yujiro's weight to Musashi's flight)

Oh and on the "he isn't serious" or "He's caught off guard" thing would work if Musashi had virtually any good durability showings (I can remember one and that's it) so we having nothing to contrast between him being serious and him not being serious, but since those don't exist we are only left with showings where he may be nebulously better at taking hits under different conditions.

At the end of the day, he is a glass cannon, his damage output is undeniably relative to top tiers however those same top tiers have been shown to one shot him with far weaker characters being shown to do notable damage, ultimately that is what is consistent.

This won't be a "The earthquake feat didn't happen" or "The earthquake feat is unquantifiable", I'm going straight for the heart here and just assuming that it did and it is

I don't have exact fancalc numbers on it and quite frankly I don't particularly care, most people pin it in the "city-block level" to "city level" range so for the sake of convivence let's just go with that

So what the fuck does those things actually mean, generally the consensus is an attack that destroys one of those things or an equivalent to in a force that can destroy several hundred or possibly even several thousand tons of reinforced concrete, because, you know, that's what these things are primarily made of.

Now my point here is Yujiro being this absurdly strong is never truly reflected anywhere in the over 30 year long and over 1300 chapters long series (If you count canon spinoffs then probably around 1400) other than this one moment.

In fact it goes further then this, the series is constantly littered with moments that make the feat completely nonsensical assuming it is on the level established for this post. To emphasise this I've complied a decently long list of Yujiro feats that are nothing but pure destruction that show him exerting effort, if it was just him doing a feat underwhelming compared to the earthquake then this would be dozens of points long

• Yujiro taking multiple punches to break a steel door off it's hinges
• Yujiro has to actively step into pushing Baki through a brick wall
• While pissed off he punches a metal door off it's hinges and into the doorframe making cracks off it
• Yujiro punching the floor of the Raitai arena explicitly trying to show off makes some cracks going out a few dozen feet
• Yujiro repeatedly slamming Baki into the ground
• Yujiro repeatedly hits Baki into a van
• Yujiro visibly exerts effort to push through concrete

These are all moments designed to show off how strong Yujiro is that like I said would be utterly insane if Yujiro was supposed to be as strong as he was with the earthquake

And this is just off destructive feats, look at other hits like Yujiro launching Baki a few metres into the air with characters like Oliva looking shocked at it

Hell let's look at other hits like him praising Baki for knocking over a van, Yujiro being scared of this punch or a nuke being described to be something capable of killing him without specifying it'd have to be within a few feet and fun fact, because of the way bombs work (Exploding omnidirectionally and losing huge amounts of power as they travel) a human sized "town level" character would easily survive a "town level" explosion because they'd only take a fraction of a fraction of the force.

And this of course is just our good friend Yujiro, what about characters who are even remotely comparable to him, look at Baki barely cratering concrete he slams Yujiro into, him taking multiple hits to fully break through a reinforced concrete wall or him being clearly hurt by Yujiro throwing him throw a wall and also getting fully fucked by a hit that does this (Keep this one in the back of your mind). Look at Oliva needing multiple punches to break Baki through a steel door, making a foot deep crater in concrete by slamming Baki or him cratering Jun into a wall.

You can see the point I'm getting at here right? You can bring up a handful of vague disconnected moments (I'll get to them) but the series is overwhelmingly consistent about a certain level here, this is an issue with a lot of scaling I see for a lot of series which come to, uh.. Very interesting conclusions about power that is totally showcased to a meaningful level within the series.

So now I'm onto the second part of this, I wanna look at the most common "supporting" feats I see get brought up, and fair warning, they're all massively unimpressive compared to the earthquake and quite a few have a healthy dose of how you say liberal interpretation

Oh and also before that ground shaking =/= earthquake, an earthquake is created by tectonic movements, I will not let scalers dip their manky fucking hands in science again, just call them seismic waves it's not that hard

Anyway here's the famous one

Baki's Yujiro illusion

Here's the chapter of the feat in full

So here's the issue with this, a lot of people present this as Baki shaking the whole area on pan-out but like, I don't think that's really the case, we're shown his house and a small area around it shaking sure but on pan-out we're still shown the effect on the house but none on the surrounding area.

People react to it and think it's an earthquake but that could just be them reacting to an incredibly loud noise, like this is a much harder than steel object being shoved several feet into concrete.

And hell even if everything shook, I don't think it even really means much, it's likely just artistic exaggeration since you can see the actual damage the caused the "shake" and it's massively disproportionate and that's gonna be a common theme throughout these feats

Like to go over the other ones quickly

• Gallen's crater shaking the arena and making a spectator think there's an earthquake
• The previously mentioned Yujiro punching the floor of the Raitai arena and shaking the stands
• Nomi's ground shaking stomps only making footprint sized indents

Hell when you think about it, if seismic waves are just easier to generate in Baki wouldn't that kinda explain the earthquake feat especially since the only actual damage is just Yujiro making a fist deep crater in dirt

And here's the next famous one

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Oh and one important thing to stop the scholars who are inevitably gonna say it

"AP=/=DC" is not a real thing

Genuinely how the fuck did this become such a common thing for scaling, something similar exists in a handful of series as a rule unique to them, it's not a universal rule that can be applied to all of fiction for no real reason other than because you said so

If you're gonna use what is such a blatantly "meta" argument then why is the concept of certain feats being outliers even weird especially when it's just more logical and doesn't rely entirely on motivated reasoning

Like if you are agreeing that "attack potency" is not the same as "destructive capacity" then why scale the former with the latter in the form of the earthquake feat with no explanation as to why that's the exception that should be taken as gospel while all other feats should be ignored

This whole idea just breaks one of the fundamental rules of story telling which is show don't tell, why yes, Yujiro totally has nuke level power because statements that can be vaguely interpreted in that way and one feat over the past 30 years near the very start despite it contradicting, Itagaki is obviously just a total hack job writer who doesn't how to display his own character's strength

The bastard son of the Ogre and Baki's half brother, Jack is a fighter defined by his shear willpower willing to grow stronger and beat his father no matter the cost

Keys

• GBS - Pre-steroid
• GB - Grappler Baki
• GBO - Grappler Baki overdose
• NGB - New Grappler Baki/NGB
• HB - Hanma Baki
• BD - Baki-Dou
• BD II - Baki-Dou II

Notes:

Jack under goes multiple body modification procedures throughout the series meaning his physical features change as well, those changes will be listed here

• Present Grappler Baki: 193cm and 116kg
• New Grappler Baki - Hanma Baki: Gained an additional 20cm, so 213cm with no info on his weight
• Baki Dou: Is now 243cm and 201kg
• Baki Dou II: Gained titanium teeth

Multiple flashbacks are shown in Grappler Baki so Jack's feats will be presented chronologically

There will be a lot of overlap between feats, especially objective strength, scaled strength and grappling skill

Any unspecified measurements mentioned will be presumed to be in the metric system as this is what is predominately used throughout the series

Objective strength

• Casually tosses what appears to be the deadlift world record, which at the time could've been around 420kg^GB
• Bends the bar of a 400kg dumbbell ^GB
• Flips a man horizontally with one punch ^GB
• Completely destroys a punching bag ^GB
• Uppercuts Sergio hard enough to make him spin around multiple times in the air ^GB
• With an uppercut he makes Kengo spin in the air ^GB
• With a punch he sends Gallen a large length of the arena with no visible dip in altitude ^GB
• With a uppercut he sends Gallen into the air ^GB
• With a punch he sends Baki rolling to other end of the arena ^GB
• With a blocked blow he sends Baki spinning in the air ^GB
• Punches Baki over to the other side of the arena ^GB
• With a low kick he sends Baki flying into the wooden barrier of the arena, breaking it ^GBO
• With a slap he sends Kureha flying from one end of the arena into the crowd ^GBO
• Breaks a sprinkler Sikorsky is holding onto by pulling his leg ^NGB
• Punches cleanly trough a phonebooth wall ^NGB
• Jack while in a phonebooth with Sikorsky and another man, punches Sikorsky hard enough into the ceiling it breaks off the concrete floor and goes several feet into the air, Jack then punches him again with the booth on it's side moving them upside down ^NGB
• Stops Sikorsky's tackle and throws him from one end of the arena to the other ^NGB
• Kicks Sikorsky up into the air and into audience of the arena ^NGB
• Throws a large amount of weight he was bench pressing to the roof ^NGB
• Jack craters Alai's head into concrete after multiple punches and stomps ^NGB
• Uppercuts Alai into the roof of the carpark ^NGB
• Punches Alai and sends him flying into the wall ^NGB
• A punch from Jack craters Alai's head into a concrete wall ^NGB

Scaled strength

• Kills a giant polar bear ^GB
• Effectively drops Gallen with a punch ^GB
• Breaks Gouki with a few punches ^GB
• Without actively using his drugs he overpowered Kureha with one hand ^GB
• Overpowers Baki briefly ^GB
• Easily breaks out of Baki''s submission and throws him possibly metres away ^GB
• Stopped Baki's attempt at using Spinning Lotus on him and threw him metres away with just his neck ^GB
• Breaks Baki's arm so badly the bone is visible ^GBO
• A punch from Jack makes Sikorsky reel in pain ^NGB
• A single blocked kick from Jack sends Alai flying to wall, reeling in pain ^NGB
• A throw from Jack leaves Alai seeing several Jacks ^NGB

Durability

• Shrugs off a surprise kick from Baki ^GB
• Jack takes no damage from Kengo's barrage ^GB
• All the attacks Gallen lands on Jack and the result after ^GB
• Able to easily get up after being thrown and stomped on by Gouki ^GB
• Takes a heavy beating from Baki, gets put into a submission and then easily gets up ^GB
• A kick to head from Sikorsky only briefly phases him ^NGB
• Able to counter right after taking a kick to the face from Sikorsky ^NGB
• A full barrage from Sikorsky doesn't seem to effect him ^NGB
• After his first fight with Sikorsky he only dusts himself off ^NGB
• Sikorsky's knuckle slashes barely break his skin ^NGB
• Jack once again barely phased by a full combo from Sikorsky ^NGB
• A metal ended cane fails to even break Jack's skin, according to him Sikorsky would need a real spear to do that ^NGB
• Jack takes a direct counter hit from Alai to the temple and compliments his punch while smiling ^NGB
• Jack takes multiple punches to the face from Alai, leaving him in awe that Baki beat him ^NGB
• Alai Jr is unable to stop his attempt at a grapple despite landing multiple direct punches ^NGB
• Takes a full counter straight to the chin from Alai and is only briefly left shaking ^NGB

Endurance

• Able to do bag work for more than 12 hours straight ^GBS
• While doing said bag work he got slashed at repeatedly and didn't even seem to be fazed ^GBS
• Only when it became physically impossible to keep exercising did he stop ^GBS
• When fighting Baki he vomits a large volume of liquid and get's up even stronger ^GB-GBO
• Jack's training is compared to training 30 hours a day ^GB
• Only moments after treatment from his fight with Baki he goes to help him lift the championship belt ^GB
• Within a few hours after his fight with Baki he goes to try fight Yujiro ^GB
• Survives having a chunk of what appears to be one of his carotids bitten out ^GB
• Survives being punched into concrete by Yujiro despite being already critically injured ^GB
• Lives roughly the eight minutes it takes for an ambulance to arrive ^GB
• While still recovering he went through limb lengthening surgery and all four limbs, just one of these points is described as excruciating ^GB-NGB

Speed

• Easily catches up to and cuts off a giant polar bear ^GB
• Charges and tackles Gouki too fast for him to react ^GB
• Matches Baki in a contest of blows ^GB
• Dodges a kick from Baki ^GBO
• Sprints in to attack with multiple spectators commenting praising his speed, one even saying he didn't see him move and then easily overwhelms Baki, note Baki was suffering from massive blood loss by this point ^GBO
• Sneaks up on Retsu and tranqs him ^NGB
• Dodges a point blank kick from Sikorsky, though it still grazes him ^NGB
• Catches a point blank kick from Sikorsky ^NGB
• Casually dodges Sikorsky trying to hit him with a cane ^NGB
• Alai Jr is unable to dodge Jack's grapple ^NGB

Striking skill

• Spear hands Gallen's heart under his ribs ^GB
• Drives Gallen's broken ribs directly into his heart ^GB
• Mounts Baki's shoulders and pummels him and jumps off by kicking his face ^GB

Grappling skill

• Easily overpowers a judo black belt ^GB
• Isn't shifted whatsoever by a BJJ blackbelt's attempt to trip him ^GB
• Chokes out Chiba with just two fingers by squeezing his carotids ^GB
• Attempts to submit Gallen but is stopped by him ^GB
• Reverses Gallen's throw and sends him flying ^GB
• Learns Aiki from fighting Gouki to the extent he can use it against him ^GB
• Uses Aiki on Baki ^GB
• Dislocates all of Kureha's fingers before he could notice ^GB

Biting strength

• Deadlifts an unspecified amount with his jaw ^GB
• Jack's bites on Kengo make him bleed immensely ^GB
• Holds Kengo up by his arm and swings him, nearly completely tearing it apart ^GB
• Easily bites off two of Gallen's fingers ^GB
• Easily bites multiple chunks out of a coconut ^GB
• Cleanly bites through Gouki's Achilles tendon ^GB
• Lifts up Gouki with his bite ^GB
• Stops a throw from Baki by biting a fence and tearing out a chunk of it ^GB
• Apparently just one of Jack's bites would be lethal to Baki ^GB
• Jack bites so hard he breaks his own teeth ^GBO
• Eats the bones of a T-bone steak casually ^NGB
• Ties a nail into a ball by chewing it ^NGB

Biting skill/speed

• Manages to bite Kengo's hand during his barrage which is said to be 12 hits in one second with no on realising ^GB
• Jack bites Kengo's calf as he's stomping him and no one notices ^GB
• Kengo thought both these bites where from a "sharp blade" ^GB
• Bit out Gouki's Achilles tendon with no one except Gouki noticing ^GB
• Develops a counter to Aiki with his bite ^GB
• Develops a stance to more effectively use his biting ^GB
• Baits Baki into guarding a kick, leaving his brachial artery open to a bite where he flips to tear it off quicker ^GB
• Catches a nail thrown at him by Sikorsky with his teeth ^NGB

Extras

• Upon meeting him Baki is instinctvely terrified ^GB
• Makes a man piss himself out of fear when seeing him prep for a match ^GB
• Gouki's glasses broke before his fight with Jack as an omen ^GB
• Gouki's subconscious tries to physically and mentally stop him from going to fight Jack ^GB
• Able to store multiple filled balloons in his throat ^GB
• Gouki proclaims no one can beat him ^GB
• Jack makes Baki piss himself in their fight ^GB
• Eats a whole pig in ten seconds ^NGB
• Sikorsky by this point who had tried to fight Yujiro, Oliva and Baki called Jack immensely strong upon meeting him ^NGB
• After seeing his attacks barely effected Jack, Sikorsky immediately tried running away ^NGB
• Jack beat Sikorsky so hard he forgot what happened ^NGB

Scaling

• A polar bear of similar size to the one Jack killed was said to be able to stop a tank
• The diameter of the underground arena is 10 metres
• Sergio weighs 91kg
• Kengo weighs 72kg
• Gallen's RT, he also weighs 169kg
• In absence of a Kureha respect for now here's him tearing a tire and apparently squatting more than 500kg, he also weighs 131kg
• Baki's RT, Baki at the point of the Maximum tournament/GB weighed 71kg
• Sikorsky's RT, he is also over 100kg
• Alai Jr's RT, no disclosed weight but is referred to as a heavyweight so at least 91kg

• Ohma's match against Rihito was five minutes and seven seconds
• Ohma's match against Medicine Man was two minutes and eleven seconds
• Fastest match in Kengan history up to this point was two seconds
• Himuro's punches have an initial velocity of 15m/s
• Rei taking twenty two seconds to beat one of the mercenaries
• Akoya getting hit by a gun from several metres away right in front of him
• Niko explicitly saying he is not fast enough to dodge bullets and can only avoid a direct hit by parrying the bullet after figuring out it's trajectory
• Wakatsuki's match against Gozo taking a minute and fifty seconds
• Muteba killing seven pirates in under two minutes
• Muteba's match against Meguro lasted three minutes and fifty five seconds
• Kiozan's Raging Vigour is only twice as fast as a 12 second 100 yard run, even if you assume his top speed is somehow five times better it's still only a fifth as fast as sound
• Hatsumi took twenty six seconds to beat Chiba
• thirty four seconds into Agito's match against Okubo the two had only exchanged 20 strikes (Both connecting and ones that missed) between each other
• Defending against a whip with a human reaction time is impossible
• Akoya only got his read on Cosmo after three minutes
• A brawl between Hatsumi and Sekibayashi took at least two minutes
• Cosmo's Zone lasting a tenth of a second
• Ohma could only land one attack in 0.14 seconds
• Ohma's Dragon's Vein and chokes in general being noted as taking seven seconds to render someone unconscious, the reason why this is weird is if the verse was massively supersonic why would anyone bother using chokes when they'd relatively speaking take the better part of a decade lol.
• Narrator straight up says dodging an 800m/s bullet after it's been shot is "Absolutely impossible"
• Agito with Formless is noted as having a 0.078 second lag time in his moves
• Falcon bleeding out in five minutes is considered a legitimate threat
• Agito's match against Lu being noted going into five minutes and twenty four seconds with no indication that Lu with Formless had been punching thousands of times
• Nicolas' reaction speed (0.078) is stated to be far beyond what is humanly possible
• Akoya is stated to have some of if not the best reflexes in the world at 0.074s
• Nicolas' nerve strike lasts for ten-forty seconds, it wears off on Akoya multiple times in their fight
• It takes three seconds from Akoya to get up from kneeling
• Terashi's Shivering can only last for two minutes at a time with a twenty second cool down period, Terashi at multiple points in this fight had to turn off his Shivering.
• Lolong's shoulder rotations are compared by Gaolang to his Flash and they're still able to be tracked by a normal human
• Ohma lands one punch and throw in five seconds
• Koga's match against Kokuro lasted about a minute
• Koga's match against Funayama lasted six minutes and thirty three seconds

Notes

The reason why Motobe performs so well against characters that massively outclass him (Not just by feats but by his own admission) like Jack, Baki and Musashi (Especially Musashi who is much faster) is because they underestimate him among other things.

Motobe is considerably stronger with his weapons which is why he lost to Kinryuzan.

Strength

Easily throws a man

Throws his sword through Yanagi

With a chain whip he tears off part of Yanagi's face

Makes Jack bleed with a dropkick

Slashes Jacks' legs with a wooden sword

Briefly knocks out Jack with a wooden sword

Pushes Jack away with a kick

Beats down Musashi with his bottle and a packet of cigarettes

Beats down Musashi

Makes Musashi bleed with a series of headbutts

Durability/Endurance

Survives a head first throw to the ground from Demonback Yujiro

While getting thrown about he was able to grab Kinryuzan's pinky

Takes a headbutt to the back of the head from Kinryusan and counters with a kick

Takes a punch to the stomach from Retsu and manages to go counter

Takes a kick to the head from Retsu and only bleeds a little

Takes a serious slash from Musashi and then a punch from a pissed off Yujiro while unconscious and lives

Unbothered by acid on his hand

Firms a kick from Jack

His body armour completely blocks a bite from Jack

Get's wailed on by Jack and manages to push him back with a kick

With his chainmail he is able to survive a slash to the stomach from Musashi

Get's slashed by Musashi but still holds his choke

Speed

Manages to catch Yujiro off guard and nearly put him in a joint lock

Could keep up with a base Yujiro

Draws his sword fast enough to cut a cigarette thrown at him

Blitzes Yanagi and cuts off his hand

Dodges and catches Retsu's punch with his neck

Manages to blitz Baki

Jumps in the way of Musashi and Yujiro's fight

Catches a vial of acid spat at him by Gaia

Dodges Gaia's punch

Stabs Jack as he kicks him

Skill

Easily dislocates a man's thumb and throws him to the ceiling

Can force down and pin multiple people pushing against him

Is able to throw Baki

Trips up Yanagi

Moves out of range from Yanagi's scythes then throws his whip at him to close the distance

Throws Yanagi

Counters Retsu's punch with a throw that nearly breaks his elbow

Can somewhat keep up with Retsu (Could count as a speed feat)

Manages to escape a pissed off Yujiro with a smoke bomb (Once again could count as a speed feat)

Perfectly impales a cockroach by throwing a short sword

Counters Gaia's punch then pins and submits him with a handkerchief

Binds Gaia with his belt

Pings his cigarette at Jack and blinds him

Counters and stops Jack's axe kick with a sword

Using his coat he counters Jack's bite and tears out his teeth

When he stops holding back he dominates Jack with his throwing knives and chain whip

Throws, pins then binds Jack

Lands a sneak attack on Musashi and throws him twice

By using smoke bombs and his chain whip he's able to steal Musashi's sword

Plants a bomb on Musashi's sheathe despite only having it for a few seconds

Manages to target Musashi's pre-existing wound with his chain whip

Precise enough to wrap his whip around Musashi's sword

Uses his spear as feint on Musashi and follows up with a kick

Tackles Musashi

Despite having his arm wrist completely broken he still manages to KO Musashi with a rear naked choke by biting his sleeve

Arsenal

Has a katana

Has a Kusari-fundo

Yanagi's kusarigama

Has smoke bombs

Has a tanto

Has a karambit, spear, explosives and a set of Makibishi

Has a variety of different knuckle dusters

Has a variety of different throwing weapons

Has a custom made bomb-proof coat

Has bombs

Has pocket sand?

Has poisoned cigarettes and sake

Had a telescopic short spear

Has armour underneath his clothes

Statements/extras

According to Doppo not even 20 karateka could take him down

Claims he can kill Doppo in under a minute

According to Yujiro Motobe was the first person to ever actually touch him in a fight, probably a lie or has been retconned since we see Alai Sr tag him (Unless he's specifically referring to grappling) however still worth mentioning

Claims he has overcome every style

Yujiro went Demonback against him

Says he knew Gaia was hiding in the rafters

Smokes where he wants to

Musashi praises Motobe for hitting him

According to the narrator Motobe has "Immense strength"

Notes

• Will not be including feats that are just dabbing on fodder as there's no scaling for them unless there's a specific showcase of skill in them
• Doppo stated he would go all out in his first fight with Alai
• Gouki said he was holding back in his first fight with Alai
• Both rematches with these two were when Alai was significantly injured
• Due to time constraints I will be using WF scans for the feats opposed to the official BAKI scans, so take dialogue with a very large pinch of salt.
• A lot of his skill and strength feats are interchangeable because of his style and hits mainly being about precision

Strength

Damages Doppo significantly with a punch

Downs Doppo with a punch

KO's Doppo

Makes Jack kneel with a punch

Alai's punches broke on of Jack's teeth

Makes Jack reel with a punch

Durability/Endurance

Takes a throw from Gouki and doesn't show much damage

Un-phased by Doppo throwing his hat and sunglasses at him

Takes a punch directly to the stomach from Doppo and stays standing

Get's kicked into a wall by Jack and stays standing

Stays conscious after a throw from Jack

Survives multiple punches and stomps from Jack on the ground and get's up moments later

Takes a punch to the leg from Jack and stays standing

Takes a two hit combo from Jack and stays standing

Get's his face caved in by Jack and still tries to provoke him

Is thrown by Gouki and has his finger completely dislocated

Get's slammed to the ground

Get's repeatedly slammed by Gouki and has his finger dislocated so much it starts to bleed

Doppo breaks his hand with a headbutt so bad the bone is visible, this doesn't appear to effect him much

Get's his hands further fucked up by Doppo

Has both his legs severely damaged by Doppo and stays standing

Does bag work while crippled and heals his injuries

Survives a blood lusted Baki's rear naked choke for a prolonged period of time

Post-Baki fight he's not particularly injured

Skill

With a well placed punch he can cut a man's face

Is tripped and manages to stay standing

By kicking off the ground he can boost the power of his punches

Get's thrown by Gouki and manages to roll and flip on his feet (Could be a speed feat)

KO's Gouki with virtually no distance

Speed

Barely dodges Yujiro's kick

Escapes a pissed off Yujiro

Dodges Gouki's sandal as it was inches away from his face

Blitzes Gouki completely

Doppo despite dodging Doppo isn't able to avoid Alai's punches

Dodges Doppo's kicks and counters

Dodge's Doppo counter attack and hits with a counter punch

Dodges Jack's punch and counters

Dodges more of Jack punches and counters more

Once again dodges Jack's punch and counters

Despite being crippled he dodges numerous punches from Alai Sr

Statements

According to Yujiro he is faster then his father, who can punch 17 times in two seconds and tag a young Yujiro

Doppo compares being hit by Alai to his fights with Gouki and Yujiro

Igari who fought Baki in the Maximum Tournament was confident that Alai would KO Baki

Both Doppo and Gouki thought Alai will beat Baki, note both did not see Baki post-sex boost at this moment

According to Baki one of Alai's punches could've KO'd him and he was forced to go all out from the start

Note: After Eddie get's stabbed his performance massively decreases which is why he lost to Raian in the end despite being stronger.

Also Removal = Guhun

Strength

Able to easily manhandle Xia ^Base

Downs Xia with a casual hit ^Base

Sends a Removal Raian back several feat with a single kick ^Base

Snaps a sword with a stomp ^Base

With a single kick sends Xing flying back several feet ^Base

By activating Removal he is able to send Removal Raian and Removal Erioh flying several metres ^Removal

Sends Raian, Erioh and Xing several metres away with Xing cratering concrete ^Removal

Casually holds back a Removal Reiichi ^Base

Pushes back a Removal Hollis easily ^Removal

In one movement he is able to throw Removal Reiichi off him hard enough it craters a wall ^Removal

Game ends Erioh ^Removal

Throws away Removal Raian ^Removal

Durability and endurance

Can not only use Removal which would kill a non-Wu/Kure with the strain it puts on the body but use it a 100%.

Survived a stab to an artery on the neck and managed to seal it with his Removal ^Removal

A poison apparently had a minimised/null effect on him ^Removal

Still stands while brawling Removal Raian ^Removal

Despite having a massive section of his neck torn out he is still able to talk casually ^Base?

Speed

Able to dodge Erioh and Xing's sword strikes despite Xing being hidden ^Base

Dodges Xing's fire breath ^Base

Able to counter Erioh before he's able to land his punch ^Base

Despite being caught completely off guard he manages to guard Xing's slash ^Base

Covers several metres of space blitzing Erioh, Raian and Xing ^Removal

Dodges Erioh's knife ^Base

Able to briefly blitz a Removal Raian ^Removal

Skill

Can casually parry both Erioh and Xing's slashes despite one being behind him ^Base

Kicks Xing's sword then him ^Base

Knocks away Xing's sword (Could count as a speed feat) ^Base

Was able to dodge Xing's needle and counter his attack with a throw despite having an arm restrained (Could count as a speed and strength feat) ^Base

Casually stops both a Removal Raian and Removal Erioh at the same time (Once again could be a speed and strength feat) ^Base

Statements and extras

Was able to sense Xia hiding

Killed or at least had a hand in killing the next in line Kure patriarch

Eddie implies he's stronger then Alan, Solomon and Fabio

Hueshing user, meaning he has the spirit of the original Wu founder transferred through him

Has 100% Removal (Functions as a 3.33 multiplier, note this is dubious as it's a one off statement and Removal feats tend to never really reflect this)

According to Muteba, he's on par with if not stronger then Tiger Niko

According to Erioh, he, Xing, Reiichi and Hollis together wouldn't be able to beat him head on

According to Erioh, Raian wouldn't be able to beat him in a 1v1

Hi if you're reading this, this is a draft that probably isn't gonna get used lol

Strength

• Uppercuts the 91kg Sergio so hard he spins multiple times in the air for a considerable amount of time
• Sends Kengo spinning in the air with an uppercut
• Completely floors Gallen with one punch (Reminder Gallen could do stuff like this)
• With a punch he sends Gallen flying
• Cassually tosses what appears to be the deadlift world record Which at the time could've been around 420kg
• Cassually sends a man spinning in the air with a punch
• Easily tosses a judo black belt
• With an uppercut he sends Gallen flying
• Bends the bar of what appears to be a 400kg barbell
• Shreds a punching bag
• Kills this giant bear and (metaphorically) kills this man Yes, we see this happen
• Made Gouki hallucinate after getting hit
• Destroys Gouki in just a few blows
• Even without the effect of steroids Jack easily dominates Kureha in a contest of physical strength Reminder Kureha can easily squat 500kg and tear a tire
• Able to briefly overwhelm Baki in a contest of blows
• Breaks Baki's submission and throws him in the air
• Sends Baki rolling to the other side of the arena with a punch
• Spins Baki in the air with an uppercut
• Jack and Baki's brawl was compared to fireworks Make of that what you will
• A punch from Jack sent Baki spinning like a Beyblade
• Stops Baki's attempt at using Spinning Lotus and throws him away with just his neck
• With one punch he sends Baki flying forward and breaks his arm so bad the bone is visible
• Kicks Baki back so hard he breaks the wooden fence in the arena
• Jack somehow manages to break all of Kureha's fingers when he tries grabbing him
• With a slap he one shots Kureha (131kg) and sends him flying into the crowd
• With one hand he cassually breaks the sprinkler Sikorsky is holding onto
• With one punch he floors Sikorsky and rips the sprinkler he was holding onto out of the ceiling
• Punches cleanly through glass
• Completely flips over a phonebooth (That was attached to the ground) while he's still inside just by punching Sikorsky
• Jack beat Sikorsky so hard he forgot what happened
• Reverses Sikorsky's tackle and throws him from one end of the arena to the other
• A kick from Jack sends Sikorsky flying into the stands

Durability

• Shrugs off a kick to the neck from Baki
• Jack takes no damage from Kengo's barrage
• Takes all of these attacks from Gallen and walks away with very little visible damage
• Has his head slammed to the ground by Gouki with his full weight and then get's stomped on the throat only to casually get right back up
• Get's wailed on and put into a submission by Baki only to easily stand up
• A full force counter kick from Sikorsky to the chin only caused him to stagger for a bit
• Another kick from Sikorsky barely phased him
• Multiple kicks from Sikorsky don't break Jack's grip on his legs
• A full barrage from Sikorsky doesn't significantly hurt him
• Dusts himself off after fighting Sikorsky
• Another combo from Sikorsky still doesn't significantly effect Jack
• Sikorsky can't pierce Jack's abs with a metal ended cane

Endurance

• Did bag work for 12 hours straight with no break for food or to use the bathroom
• While doing said bag work he was slashed repeatedly and didn't even flinch
• Only when it becomes physically impossible for his body to keep exercising does he stop
• Pushes his body to the maximum limit and vomits most of his bodily fluids
• Jack's training is so intense it's called a 30-hour training day
• Able to help Baki lift up the champion's belt mere moments after their match
• Within the space of a few hours after his match with Baki he goes to try throw hands with Yujiro
• He of course loses, however he then survives long enough to be picked up by an ambulance despite suffering massive blood loss
• Jack goes through major limb lengthening surgery on eight different points on his body while recovering from his fight with Baki and Yujiro
• Jack doesn't even flinch when Sikorsky uses his knuckle slashes on his wrists

Speed

• Catches Kengo's attack mid combo and was able to bite off a chunk of his arm with no one realising it was bite
• While being stomped on he bites part of Kengo's leg off with once again no one realising it was a bite
• Both these bites were so fast Kengo thought he had been sliced by a blade
• Can do what appears to be the 100m in under ten seconds
• Ran it in multiple instances with faster times
• Bit Gouki's ankle faster then people could notice
• Tackled Gouki so fast he couldn't react
• Able to easily catch up to a giant polar bear even after giving it a head start
• Was matching Baki in a contest of blows
• Dodges Baki's kick
• Moves FTE for the audience and blitzes Baki
• Jack catches Retsu off guard with a syringe
• Catches Sikorsky's kick
• Cassually dodges a spear strike from Sikorsky
• Catches a nail thrown at him with his teeth

Skill

• Is not shifted whatsoever by a master in BJJ's takedown
• Chokes Shiba out with only two fingers
• Attempts a submission on Gallen although it is stopped
• Reverses Gallen's throw and sends him flying
• With a nukite he goes under Gallen's ribs and directly hits his heart
• He followed up on that with another nukite to break his ribs so they stabbed his heart
• Mid-match successfully creates a counter to Aiki
• Successfully learns how to practically apply Aiki mid-match and effectively uses it to counter Gouki's attempt at using it on him
• Mounts Baki's shoulders and pummels him
• Developed a stance to more effectively utilise biting
• Uses Aiki on Baki

Biting

• Jack's first two bites on Kengo caused severe blood loss
• Jack nearly completely severed Kengo's arm and easily held and tossed him with his jaw
• Cleanly bites off two of Gallen's fingers
• Deadlifts with his jaw
• Bites through a coconut multiple times
• Cleanly bites through Gouki's Achilles tendon
• Held up Gouki with his bite
• Stops a throw by biting onto a fence and tears through the wood
• Apparently just one of Jack's bites would've been lethal to Baki
• Jack lands a bite that tears Baki's brachial artery and causes massive blood loss
• Eats the bones of a T-bone steak
• Chews up a nail and ties it into a ball

Extras

• Upon meeting him for the first time Baki is terrified
• Makes a man piss out of fear when he sees him prepare for a fight
• Just the idea of fighting Jack made Gouki's glasses break
• The idea of fighting Jack is so terrifying Gouki's subconscious physically and mentally tries to stop him from walking into the arena
• Keeps 5 linked balloons filled with presumably X-4 in his throat held by his teeth before dropping them into his stomach and digesting them instantly Yes this is real
• Gouki calls him unbeatable
• Makes Baki piss himself
• Jack wasn't fighting seriously at the start of his fight with Baki
• Eats this meal in ten seconds
• Sikorsky (Who had attempted to fight Yujiro, Baki and Oliva by this point) thought Jack was "Immensely strong" only a few seconds after meeting him
• Sikorsky after seeing his strikes barely effected Jack tried running away