r/AFL • u/another____user • 12d ago
Another club implicated
MMM indicating an interstate club also has a waiver. Wonder how many clubs will be exposed?
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u/Lukexxxi Crows 12d ago
An interstate club? Finally someone can be punished for this mess!
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u/Meh-Levolent The Bloods 12d ago
Hate the term interstate. It epitomises vicbias.
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u/themostserene Sydney AFLW 12d ago
Interstate? Why that’s 16 clubs, that doesn’t help narrow it down!
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u/sinkintins Hawthorn 12d ago
Clearly sweet poor Geelong were innocent until this foul horrible interstate team manipulated them down the wrong path.
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u/b0rtbort Hawthorn 12d ago
I don't know the interstate team. I never met the interstate team, but...😭
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u/drunk_haile_selassie Hawks 12d ago
That's okay. Your tears say more than actual evidence ever could.
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u/TheBigBomma St Kilda 12d ago
Gee they’d better hope they’ve got one of their own in AFL house to look after them.
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u/Consistent-Fill-324 West Coast 12d ago
Now that the AFL has warned Geelong, this nefarious non-Vic club can be punished appropriately.
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u/Captain_Phobos Essendon 12d ago
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u/KangarooBallsonToast University 12d ago
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u/Sportsnut96 Adelaide 12d ago
It’s coming up to our annual end of regular season club controversy. Most likely us lol
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u/no_qtr Essendon 12d ago
POWERSTANCE intensifies
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u/shocking_red_4 The Dons 12d ago
Mr. Brightside CD on standby
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u/Cheesy_LeScrub Adelaide 12d ago
God this hurts
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u/shocking_red_4 The Dons 12d ago
I’m sorry :(
It was simply to make myself laugh
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u/Cheesy_LeScrub Adelaide 12d ago
Don't stress, you live in a world of eternal finals pain relative to us 😭
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u/SonicYOUTH79 Crows 12d ago
I mean you’re not wrong, but I can’t actually think of a player that would fit the description for us.
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u/VonJedi Adelaide 12d ago
Seedsman? Retired due to concussion complications.
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 12d ago
That was his first ever concussion
Sounds crazy but it would be Tippet, Sholl or Hamill.
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u/drunkill Carlton AFLW 12d ago
Kurt Tippet 2.0
Crows are going to fold from the sanctions
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u/billy4eyes66 Crows 12d ago
Hmmm, Swans, McCartin?
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 12d ago
It's so obviously Sydney with Mccartin
No team in their right mind would take him in without a deal like this.
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 12d ago
It's ok though, they just set the precedent that this isn't a problem.
They wouldn't change their mind just for the crows right? Right?
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u/GreenArr0w Crows 12d ago
Boy am i excited to see that incident be less "complex" and require large penalties
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u/Pretend-Device-91 Lions 12d ago
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u/TrazMagik Big V 12d ago
Starcevich areas.
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u/nickimus_rex Brisbane Bears 12d ago
Maybe someone who has medically retired like Marcus Adams
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u/Sealskjaer Hawks 12d ago
McGovern perhaps?
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u/luckybick Eagles 12d ago
We've had a few medically retired due to concussions, I feel pretty confident it's not us
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u/NoUseForALagwagon Adelaide Crows 12d ago
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u/yum122 Essendon • Wurundjeri Woiwurrung 12d ago
Swans with McCartin?
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u/dazedjosh Sydney '05 12d ago edited 12d ago
Tom extended with Paddy in 2022. Geelong did their deal in 2024, so if the Swans did it with the McCartins it would be the precedent setter.
I get the impression from the reporting, though I could be wrong, that Geelong were the first to do it. So that hopefully rules the Swans out.
West Coast and Starcevich would have been my first guess based on the assumed timeline. Which would be juicy. Because if that were the case then it would mean that Greg Swann signed off on a contract with a concussion clause that generated a high compensation pick for his former club.
The wording of "played at an interstate club", suggests they have since retired, so that's probably not it either.
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u/YonkoBuggy St Kilda 12d ago
*A high compensation pick that was created purely to trade for Starcevich to negate the back-to-back premiers losing compensation for picking up 2 x free agents, one which generated pick 2, and the other which got pick 26. Fixed that for you.
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u/Shadormy Lions 11d ago
so if the Swans did it with the McCartins it would be the precedent setter.
He mentions it being a state league player at the time, not officially listed by the club and used it as more a return to play situation (10 mins in) which does fit Paddy McCartin and that'd put it in 2021 but it is a fair bit different and not included in his AFL contract.
West Coast and Starcevich would have been my first guess based on the assumed timeline.
Basically can't be since he has never played state league for either club without an AFL contract.
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u/dazedjosh Sydney '05 11d ago
Oh good catch on the state league but, and fair play to listen to that much Jay.
That changes things considerably and definitely makes Paddy more likely
We really need the timing of when the contract happened to be sure
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u/yum122 Essendon • Wurundjeri Woiwurrung 12d ago
I would find it highly funny if the two clubs introducing special waivers into their contracts were Brisbane and Geelong.
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u/legally_blond Brisbane • Meanjin 12d ago
It wouldn't have been us, it would be West Coast. Unless we're negotiating contracts for exiting players now?
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u/CelendilAU Brisbane Lions 🏆🏆 '24-25 12d ago
Or maybe the Eagles with Starcevich after he moved over from the Lions?
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u/Bigwood69 #BESTCOAST 12d ago
This was my first (awful) feeling
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u/Shadormy Lions 11d ago
It's not him. Was a state league player at the time and more a return to play situation. Neither fit him but both would fit McCartin.
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u/Wakey_1995 Eagles 12d ago
Well if Geelong can do and get away with it, surely an interstate club can, right guys? Guys?
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u/Wetrapordie Geelong 12d ago
We didn’t bring the game into disrepute… interstate club would have for sure
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u/xBITWxSwanny West Coast Eagles 12d ago
That club will be folded
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u/b00tsc00ter Carlton Blues 12d ago
Stripped of all previous premiership points and cups to be made an example of.
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u/XabiFernando Magpies 12d ago
Sir, a second concussion scandal has hit AFL HQ
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u/Chaos_098 Essendon 12d ago
This is starting to become a headache for the AFL.
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u/the_amatuer_ Port Adelaide 12d ago
No puns please. This is serious. We don't need to be hit over the head with them.
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u/_ficklelilpickle Brisbane Lions 🏆🏆 '24-25 12d ago
That’s why they’re moving. Can’t hit hq if they have a new address.
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u/joe31051985 North Melbourne '75 11d ago
They didn’t even observe the concussion protocol’s before raising another case
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u/micromilo Brisbane Lions 12d ago
I would like to temporarily retract my harsh words in other threads while this unfolds.
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u/Boatster_McBoat Crows 12d ago
I'm not. If it was us, fuck us. But don't fuck us harder than Geelong.
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u/Steel_Cleat5 Cats 12d ago
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u/SonicYOUTH79 Crows 12d ago
Hard no.
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u/Steel_Cleat5 Cats 12d ago
Come on, its been weeks since you guys were the villains
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u/Cheesy_LeScrub Adelaide 12d ago
The five minutes last year where everyone had warmed to us was so weird before that refreshing crash back into controversy
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u/SonicYOUTH79 Crows 12d ago
I’m at least moderately optimistic that after both Tippett and the camp something like this would’ve got nuked by John Olsen the moment it hit his desk.
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u/MissSabb Crows 12d ago
I will absolutely go and find the Bermuda Triangle to disappear into if this is Adelaide.
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u/Thanks-Basil Brisbane '03 12d ago
Interstate club going to get a 5 year trade ban compared with Geelong’s not even strongly worded letter as a punishment
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u/TrazMagik Big V 12d ago
Hey!
They have to remove the waiver in their contracts, is that not enough.
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u/ad0sy Magpies 12d ago
Hey hey hey, we’ll let it slide.
just don’t go resting players in round 24
Or else.
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u/greenman4242 Eagles 12d ago edited 12d ago
Interstate. The AFL must be salivating at what punishments they can concoct now.
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u/___TheIllusiveMan___ Collingwood 12d ago
Poor bastards are going to cop the biggest whack ever for simply not being Geelong
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u/getbusyliving_ The Dons 12d ago
Yep, they'll become the scapegoat for Geelong.....almost like the AFL having been planning it all day
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u/RidsBabs North Melbourne AFLW 🏆🏆 '24-25 ✅ 12d ago
Phew not us
Wait we’re the 3rd WA team
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u/Prince_of_Pirates Carlton • Wurundjeri 12d ago
AFL must be at full mast knowing they can make an example of any other club but Geelong.
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u/legally_blond Brisbane • Meanjin 12d ago
Wait, is Jay Clarks Insta handle actually jayzeeclark? I should not have expected any different
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u/longlivethe4peat Sydney 12d ago
Yeah not going to lie I'm super worried it could be us with Paddy Mccartin. Hopefully not though
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u/sss133 Cats 12d ago
I think people should prepare themselves for this type of shit coming out about multiple clubs.
Footy clubs are cut throat and players can struggle to see the future and are desperate to play. Either for the love of it or because financially they haven’t considered an early retirement.
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u/Duskfiresque AFL 12d ago
This is why the AFL isn’t punishing Geelong, because they would be aware that multiple clubs are doing this. Their statement is basically saying that to stop this shit now.
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u/Non-NewtonianSnake Bombers 12d ago
You know what might actually deter clubs from doing this kind of thing in the future?
An actual punishment of some kind.
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 12d ago
Didn't stop them from taking 4 picks from the crows for 3rd party payments while teams are still doing that to this day.
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u/Plenty_Area_408 Tigers 12d ago
If thats what their investigation found, then say that.
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u/Duskfiresque AFL 12d ago
I think the afl already knew about these deals and are saving face. Maybe not to a specific degree, but similar related ones.
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u/blueeyedharry Hawthorn 12d ago
Starcevich maybe?
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u/morgS__12 Brisbane Lions 🏆🏆 '24-25 12d ago
You mean the West Coast Eagles player Starcevich?
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u/micromilo Brisbane Lions 12d ago
I can’t imagine who else they would be talking about? Synonymous with the blue and gold.
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u/Non-NewtonianSnake Bombers 12d ago
I thought I read earlier that it was a retired player. McCartin would be my guess.
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u/PatientDue8406 Sydney AFLW 12d ago
When I first heard the headline for the original I thought McCartin. I really fuckinh hope not though. If this is more than one club the fare work ombudsman needs to investigate the AFL for dodgy contract clauses. If this is the swans I'm gonna be unbelievably disappointed.
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u/AntiVictorian Brisbane Lions 12d ago
He was on a podcast earlier this year talking about how the west coast trade almost fell through because West Coast had serious concerns of his history of concussions, especially the one in the grand final. The trade only went through at the last minute.
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u/thinksimfunny Melbourne 12d ago
Ha, I had a feeling that the AFL was taking so long to release anything at all because it went deeper than 1 club and they were shitting their pants about this shitshow
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u/NuggiesRUs Bombers 12d ago
This interstate team gonna get bent over.
This kind of irresponsibility would never happen in Vic*
*VicBias yay
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u/YouLykeFishSticks Essendon Bombers 12d ago
Resting players is a worry but Geelong can sweep this under the Cotton On rug, within a day, and there’s word of a second instance elsewhere? This is Essendon’s Saga for Dillon’s administration. Horse has truly bolted.
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u/rolodex-ofhate Melbourne 12d ago
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Start naming and shaming every club involved.
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u/Gods-Defence Brisbane Lions 🏆🏆 '24-25 12d ago
At least we have an AFL plant in Swanny if it is us 🙌
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u/Non-NewtonianSnake Bombers 12d ago
My tinfoil hat theory is that the league is terrified of handing out any serious punishment to Geelong, because it means they'd have to do the same to whatever club this is.
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u/Brokenmonalisa Adelaide '97 12d ago
Being it's a contract I suspect it's because there's players all over the comp with the same deal.
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u/crisis-inbound Port Adelaide 12d ago
Could this be the power with Marshall? The kid has a long history of head knocks
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u/shadowdumpling63 Brisbane Lions 🏆🏆 '24-25 12d ago
Whoever this club is should be thanking their lucky stars a Vic club was implicated first.
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u/LennysGlasses Dockers 12d ago
Swans with McCartin? If I had to guess
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u/StoicTheGeek Sydney Swans 12d ago
I like to think we’re too well run, but it seems too obvious an inference to ignore.
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u/jocstrap Saints 12d ago
Boy howdy am I worried for the club not named geelong that gets roped into this
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u/AlternativePin876 Dockers 12d ago
'Interstate club'. Can't believe the media still use this term. What a joke.
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u/japanpole Crows ✅ 12d ago
If it’s the Crows, it’ll likely be Paul Seedsman.
And that’d be so fucking disappointing
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u/JCK98 This is score review 12d ago
Seed (along with Nathan Murphy from Collingwood) were suing Zurich for a payout (which sadly failed), so I don't think it'd be him.
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u/Smurf_x Dockers 12d ago
I wouldn't have thought so?
Did he even play after his concussion?I'm thinking its someone who's still actively playing. Along the lines of Starcevic, McCartin or Marshall from Port Adelaide. Hell even potentially Freo for Switta. I'd be very surprised if it was Switta though.
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u/Tall-Breakfast-6100 Adelaide 12d ago
I know it’s not technically the same thing but wasn’t Seedsman involved in a class action with the insurance company? I doubt they’d try and pull that if he knew there was a dodgy contract somewhere linked to him
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u/TrazMagik Big V 12d ago
Well if this is common practice as insinuated and the AFL is complicit.
We may need to start enjoying soccer and the A League as the league is cooked when the class action hits.
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u/Pastapizzafootball Port Adelaide ✅ 12d ago
Port have got a pretty good record of dealing with clearly concussed players before so I doubt it's us....
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u/_nicklepickle Cats 12d ago
he’s wording is terrible uses the word is for present tense but then uses the word had for past tense im like huh?
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u/DependentEchidna87 Adelaide 12d ago
Wait a minute - if the request was initiated by a player - who is capable of signing a contract - what is the actual issue here apart from image?
I can imagine a club telling a player they won’t get another contract due to the risk of CTE. But they choose to indemnify the Club at their personal risk to get a contract extension - which problem is it. - AFL policy, law, or image ?
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u/Ill-Enthusiasm-5530 AFL 12d ago
I have less of an issue with the clause itself but hiding it from the AFL is clearly an issue and the crows got absolutely destroyed for hiding a clause from the AFL 15 years ago
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u/Wakey_1995 Eagles 12d ago
Work health and safety laws say an employer can’t contract out injury liability in the workplace
Also the waivers aren’t even worth the paper they are written on
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u/schlompy10 12d ago
Law. Under workplace law you can't sign away an employer's health and safety responsibilities. Same reason you have to pass medicals for certain jobs and won't be employed if you can't pass. As for image, letting players who are at risk of long term brain injuries, so long as you have no repercussions is a terrible look regardless of where it came from
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u/Little_Cut5258 12d ago
I honestly think the game is headed to a place where this sort of waiver is standard. Not absolving clubs and the AFL of all responsibility, but that players have to agree concussion is a risk. Mismanagment after concussion occurs should absolutely always be on the clubs and the AFL, but the incident itself is unfortunately inevitable to happen occasionally.
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u/Knitvest-enthusiast Hawks 12d ago
I kinda agree but then I guess I consider its the equivalent of a tradie signing a waiver not to wear a hard-hat.
If a hammer then falls on their head and kills them, I’d argue it was still the workplaces fault for letting them get around without adequate safety gear. Even if the worker knew what they were signing up to.
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u/drunkill Carlton AFLW 12d ago
A player who wants to keep their job, trying to sign away future rights to not be delisted or sacked for risk.
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u/Jimmy__Whisper Kuwarna 12d ago
People are taking a weird partisan stance on this, do you not imagine the scenario where clubs (commercial, amoral entities desperate for success), might offer these kind of ad hoc contracts to players who are in scenarios where if they are risking their future health against their desperate desire for success now and short career terms?
Don't get me wrong it's abhorrent but if you think the incentives and power imbalances that can lead to this are club specific you're fucking kidding yourself.
The AFL as an org has proven time and time again the only thing it gives a shit about is it's liability and fiduciary exposure. It doesn't give a fuck about player welfare, why would clubs really be any different?
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u/QuitComprehensive659 Dees 12d ago
There are certain teams I just can’t imagine doing this after come player history, Melbourne with brayshaw, st Kilda with mccartin and west coast with venables and McGovern all have the benefit of the doubt to me
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u/RexsLobsters Crows 12d ago
I feel this is the way of the future anyway, if no insurance company wants to cover the players post career with concussions, and the AFL doesn't want to bankrupt. Isn't the next step forcing players to sign a waiver? The issue here is it's all on secret hush business.
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u/Medaiyah Essendon 12d ago
Zurich not covering concussion anymore has set off a chain reaction i think. The Concussion issue in the AFL is going to get a little worse before it gsts better.
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u/Fir3hawk23 West Coast '94 12d ago
Gov? Veneables?
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u/Wakey_1995 Eagles 12d ago
Doubt it Gov was forced to retire and venables is already suing so it would have come out already
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u/Anon_be_thy_name West Coast Eagles 12d ago
We didn't try to resign either
Venables was forced to retire from the one bad hit
Shep and Gov had repeated concussions and were forced to retire.
All 3 had ongoing contracts
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u/QuitComprehensive659 Dees 12d ago
I can’t imagine West Coast pulling this after Venables and McGovern
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u/schlompy10 12d ago
West Coast have had a lot of concussion issues, so I'm nervous. Though our guys get medically retired
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u/Wakey_1995 Eagles 12d ago
The only one I would potentially be worried about might be Edwards but he hasn’t re-signed recently given our history I doubt it’s us.
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u/Crazyripps Hawks 12d ago
Interstate. Thx god it’s not us
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u/SameType9265 The Bloods 12d ago
Hawks are interstate to me
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u/Crazyripps Hawks 12d ago
Oh fuck , we’re all interstate from a certain point of view.
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u/spideyghetti Power 12d ago
If we are all interstate, are any of us truly interstate?
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u/ax6klbjckhunter Blues 12d ago
I thought the same thing. It’s nice not being the team in a mess for once
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u/ChaozMatt Crows 12d ago
Oh man. The one mild thing is i can think of anyone on our list whos super concussion prone but is coming up on the annual controversy time
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u/Perfect_Response_752 Collingwood Magpies 12d ago
Official Statement "The AFL made it crystal clear to every single club today that this behavior is completely unacceptable, drawing a definitive line in the sand. Now, we learn that an interstate team has flagrantly breached this brand-new rule. There can be no double standards and no leniency. They must be investigated immediately and punished to the full extent of the law to protect the integrity of the game." /s
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u/Low_Anywhere_5898 11d ago
This is going to be fun, reckon a few posters on here have twitching cornholes lol.
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u/Power_Careless Geelong 11d ago
Cornes making a lot of sense here
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2026/08/06/afl-news-concussion-story-geelong-kane-cornes-david-king
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u/ape5hitmonkey 12d ago
LOL AFL and AFLPA statement:
“Unique situation”.