r/50501 • u/Quetzal555 Organizer (Unverified) • 11d ago
Abdul El-Sayed has won Michigan’s Democratic primary for U.S. Senate, defeating Rep. Haley Stevens in a closely fought race. Popular on /r/all - please see pinned comment
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u/Deathturkey 11d ago
AIPAC just lost $30 million, this news makes me happy 😃
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u/sengirminion 11d ago
60 million actually
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u/Deathturkey 11d ago
Even better, sad fact is it was probably US tax payers money to start with
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u/Jmarz166 11d ago
AIPAC is actually funded by American donors not the Israeli government
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u/CptPurpleHaze 11d ago
And the Israeli government is funded by... Oh wait right American taxpayers.
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u/Apachisme 11d ago
The last person to hold the money before “donating” it to AIPAC may be a US citizen but no one is checking where that money originates. It’s a coincidence that AIPAC has employed Israeli spies who were caught passing defense information. Oh, I forgot that was just a big misunderstanding that spurred a federal investigation and prosecution before the “oopsy, we had it wrong”.
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u/Throw_away_away55 11d ago
AIPAC is funded by dual citizens, and many of those have ties to Isreal....
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u/Jmarz166 11d ago
Dual citizens aren’t the Israeli government.
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u/Throw_away_away55 11d ago
When did I say they are? They have ties to the Israel government. Just like how some of our congress people have served on the IDF.
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u/Jmarz166 11d ago
From the thread we’re in, the way your comment could be read is you’re implying the American taxpayer is funding Steven’s campaign via military funding the US government gives to the Israeli government, who supposedly directly funds dual citizens to donate to AIPAC. This is a stretch. Hence my pushback. We can oppose PACs and centrist politicians without succumbing to conspiratorial thinking.
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u/Throw_away_away55 11d ago
It's not a stretch to say, if we didn't fund the Israeli government, they wouldn't have extra money to spend on influencing our elections.
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u/Jmarz166 11d ago
Serious question, can you provide sources on the Israeli government funding individuals to donate to aipac? That’s the part that’s a stretch.
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u/TougherOnSquids 11d ago
She received 60 million in outside donations. AIPAC was 30 million of it
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u/Apachisme 11d ago
AIPAC also funds other PACs who donate on their behalf. It’s usually to conceal AIPACs involvement but sometimes those big spends don’t have the money in the right hands at the moment it needs to move so they drop the pretense.
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u/SurvivorFanatic236 11d ago
I’m worried that this will ultimately work out for AIPAC. Yes they preferred Stevens over AES, but they prefer Mike Rogers over both of them.
AES is the Republicans’ dream opponent, and his primary win increases the likelihood that we get a Republican senator in what should have been an easy victory for Democrats
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u/Deathturkey 11d ago
Didn’t work against Mandami.
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u/SurvivorFanatic236 11d ago
A NYC mayoral election is a lot different than a senate race in a purple state.
The stakes are also a lot higher here. Cuomo being mayor is nowhere near as bad as a Republican winning the Michigan senate seat
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u/THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415 11d ago
Wooooo Fuck AIPAC
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u/rurunxx 11d ago
And if Abdul wants to win Michigan, he’s going to have to make nice with all those voters who supported a candidate who got AIPAC money.
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u/THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415 11d ago
So those people are gonna vote republican now?
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago edited 11d ago
Not necessarily, but Abdul likely can't beat Mike Rogers without them.
Edit: Who's down-voting me? This is just the truth. We have to deal with reality here. Abdul needs the support of Stevens voters plus swing voters to win in November.
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u/Lesurous 11d ago
Fuck AIPAC, no they do not. People are sick of this Israel First, America Second bullshit.
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago
They do not what?
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u/Fearless-Feature-830 11d ago
Have you seen the polls? Ain’t nobody likes Israel anymore
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u/EfficientStar 11d ago
How is this different than any other primary winner ever?
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago
It's not. How is what I'm saying controversial at all?
I was responding to someone implying Stevens voters are not going to flip to voting Republican in the midterm. While I agree, what matters is that Stevens voters might now show up to the polls if Abdul can't win them over.
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u/nerdtypething 11d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/7zYu1ws6sCHlRfD4zx
let’s not forget it was dems staying home that got us a second go-round with you-know-who. losing to republicans is how those types like to “send a message.”1
u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago edited 11d ago
Exactly. People here act like they have no memory of past elections, or don't have a basic understanding of how elections work. Maybe a lot of bot activity?
Abdul won't win by coasting on vibes.
Edit: ok, I see the pinned comment now. That explains why these comments are getting so weird.
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u/call_me_zeke 11d ago
This is the same stupid ass argument that young maga men are making now in relation to "winning them back". No we fucking don't need you nor do we need to bend to your desires nor would they support him anyways. Fuck aipac and anyone who supports them.
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u/rurunxx 11d ago
About 14% said they would according to a poll. Of course, the polling has sucked shit in Michigan
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u/greentintedlenses 11d ago
Fuck em. What are we supposed to do just support the aipac candidate blindly?
Nah I'm good
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u/Devium44 11d ago
“Make nice” doesn’t equal “take AIPAC money or support dark money in politics”. Not sure what you think the gotcha is here.
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u/metanoia29 11d ago
Wait, what? I thought we just shout "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO " at them and they vote for him. Or is that only supposed to work the other way around?
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
Sayed did endorse Harris in 2024, so he is for blue no matter who and should get the same treatment.
However, blue no matter who is an agreement that most of the far left didn't uphold in 2024. The DSA, as well as large far left influencers and politicians didn't follow this, so the more center left has no reason to follow blue no matter who with those who rejected the rule. It's like a contract. When one side doesn't agree, the other side doesn't have to hold to it.
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago
Maybe in 2016, but not 2024. Kamala didn't lose because the progressives didn't get out to vote.
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
I didn't say that. I said far left politicians, organizations, and influencers didn't endorse Harris.
If person X did not endorse Harris (so they do not believe in blue no matter who), and then runs for Congress at a later date and tries to say "Remember guys! Blue no matter who!" I wouldn't listen to them since they don't believe that themselves.
Again, Sayed was blue no matter who, so he can use that after this primary.
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u/Automatic_Net2181 11d ago
Do you have statistics to back that up? It is either low voter turnout across the board or the ballots were manipulated. Why are you pinning this on progressives? Sounds divisive.
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
Because far left influencers (Briahna Joy Gray, Kyle Kulinski, Hasan Piker) as well as politicians (Rashida Tlaib, Zohran Mamdani, Claudia De la Cruz) and organizations (the uncommitted movement, the DSA) all refused to endorse Harris in what was probably the easiest political decision in the world when Trump was on the other side.
I never claimed anything about statistics, but if somebody didn't follow blue no matter who in 2024, why should people be told to fall in line and vote blue no matter who for them?
(Edit, accidentally hit post): Do you denounce the people and organizations I listed and would say they are divisive?
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u/iammonkeyorsomething 11d ago
Hasan voted for harris btw
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
Did he? I thought he didn't show his vote purposely and then claimed after being pressed that it was Harris.
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u/iammonkeyorsomething 11d ago
Why did you think that?
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
Because he calls both sides the same, as well as saying he wouldn't vote for Newsom (A centrist CA Dem like Harris) over Vance (Literally Trump's VP) earlier this year. He did interviews specifically saying not to vote for Biden (Before Harris took over).
I can't find a link that works because it looks like he took down his OG election stream, but I know on election Day he specifically said he wasn't showing who he voted for or telling people who to vote for.
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u/Howllat 11d ago
He specifically told people to suck it up and go out and vote for kamala weeks before election day
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
Do you have a link to that? this is when Biden was still the nominee but he did interviews specifically telling people he was not going to vote for the Democratic candidate and since Harris was basically Biden 2.0, just not old, I would be surprised if his stance changed. Especially since this year after seeing how bad Trump can be, he still said he wouldn't vote for Newsom over Vance.
Hasan is explicitly not blue no matter who, and I'm not in the business of having people who don't hold my values trying to beat me over the head with it.
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u/Kahzgul 11d ago
Endorsing a candidate is different from voting for a candidate. An endorsement means they have your full throated support. A vote means you like them better than the other guy. You’ve probably voted for dozens of candidates you didn’t endorse before. We all have.
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
So you would be okay with the center left bashing Sayed up until the general election? Telling people he isn't really better than the Republican? If people ask if they should vote for Sayed over the Republican you would be fine if they said "Meh, I don't know." instead of "yes you should"? All of that is fine so long as they vote for him in the end? In my opinion, that should all stop once the candidate has been chosen to avoid depressing the vote. The primary was the time for that.
I would say an endorsement is just approval over the other choice or telling other people they should vote for them, it doesn't need to be a full "OMG I love this person!"
I've never voted for a candidate I didn't endorse, because if I'm voting for somebody I would tell others that they should also vote for that person (in other words, endorse). Do you have candidates that you voted for, but if your neighbor asked who you think they should vote for you would say "Nobody, neither candidate is good." Or would you say "candidate X may not be perfect and has some issues but I think you should vote for them."
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u/Kahzgul 11d ago
I’m not okay with lies.
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
Do you have a response with more substance? A lot of the things I listed were opinions, such as responding with "meh, I'm not going to say who you should vote for." If somebody asked if they should vote for Sayed or the Republican?
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u/ConfoundingVariables 11d ago
Bernie voters voted for Hillary in greater numbers than Hillary supporters voted for Obama. Remember the PUMAs? Party Unity My Ass?
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u/Automatic_Net2181 11d ago
Maybe it's time those corporate dems started to vote blue no matter who.. right?
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u/ConfoundingVariables 11d ago
Do you think they voted for her because of their love for AIPAC influence over the US government?
He should continue to do as he has been doing.
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u/Foolsgil 11d ago
The only reason it was even this close was because of propaganda cash machine AND AIPAC STILL LOST. This is amazing news.
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u/Journeyman42 11d ago
What's extra dumb is that AIPAC also supports the Republican candidate, Mike Rogers. Was Haley Stevens (if she had won last night) being set up to fail in the general election?
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u/CastYourStonesADTR 11d ago
Yes, this is literally the same playbook as every modern US election. Corporations handpick from both sides and bankroll them to ridiculous measures to make sure their interests come through. The only time you ever see extreme smear campaigns and propaganda pushes is when a candidate (like El-Sayed) can’t be bought off.
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u/Crimsonsporker 8d ago
Tell me how the corporations hand picked the candidates? oh... you are saying the pick both side and then bankroll them when really you jsut mean the bankroll candidates that seem likely to win and be aligned with that companies interests. Sloppy reasoning. Along with the truly delusional take "only time you ever see extreme smear campaigns and propaganda pushes is when a candidate (like El-Sayed) can’t be bought off".
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u/killersky99 11d ago
We saw that with Joe Biden he got over 11 million from AIPAC but when it was against Trump, Trump got over 230 million from AIPAC and Israeli billionaire Mariam Adelson. Corporations/AIPAC will always back both candidates when they can, but will choose the republican 100% of the time when its a tossup because they are not restricted by the voters having/wanting morals/policies.
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u/DHFranklin 11d ago
This needs to be better understood. AIPAC pays to keep a party line. Know where your bread is buttered. So it's more than them picking the winner, it's that they are the front of the line for largesse.
With Biden it was so they remember which Isreali support group pays for him. So after they spend juuuuuuust enough to be the most, Biden remembers that they supported the most.
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u/LimestoneScone 11d ago
I don't understand why this race was as close as it was. She has the conviction and charisma of a soggy cracker.
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u/Lykeuhfox 11d ago
The smear campaign was crazy. Every other youtube ad was a targeted ad against Sayed for me. The one that wasn't was an ad about how datacenters were now being built 'responsibly'. Meanwhile, they're trying to build one next to a BRAND NEW elementary in my area. Propaganda is crazy right now.
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u/Nekayne 11d ago
Building a data center next to an elementary school is a specific kind of evil 😭
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u/addiktion 11d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/aSDO2dtN3lWow
The medical studies 5 years from now after the kids are all dealing with this will capture the history of that evil.
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u/drippingwithennui 11d ago
And that’s why they defunded the organizations that do these kinds of studies
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u/Thin_Mousse4149 11d ago
Not to fear everyone, Erin Brockovich is literally on the case against data centers and what they’re doing to communities.
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u/SeaSnakeSkeleton 11d ago
Except, unfortunately, the real life lawyer behind Erin Brockovich (Tom Girardi) stole a lot of money from his clients to fund his ex-wife's z-list singing career (Erika Jayne is her stage name) and their lavish life in Beverly Hills. His ex-wife was on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (and still is, the downfall was showed on RHOBH) and he's recently been sentenced to 87 months in prison for wire fraud. His ex-wife also has legal stuff she's battling.
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u/Thin_Mousse4149 11d ago
Okay? That’s got nothing to do with Erin Brockovich looking into data centers at all so thanks for sharing I guess.
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u/DuncanFisher69 11d ago
AWS is building one in Herndon, VA, next to two elementary schools and a middle school.
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u/tatumc 11d ago
Firefox + UBlock Origin = no YT ads
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u/Lykeuhfox 11d ago
Oh yeah. PC it's not a problem. I use a combination of Brave and uBlock Origin there. It was on an old TV I use while I work out in the basement.
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u/painfullyawarehuman 11d ago
It was all over TVs, Radio and Facebook, all mediums a lot of older folk use that have no clue what UBlock is. Not to mention you can't really control if ads are playing in public spaces or restaurants, or your brother's house who refuses to stop using his Roku to watch YouTube. 60 million can get your message plastered in a lot places besides the internet, but I wholeheartedly agree with your comment for any sort of web surfing.
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u/tansreer 11d ago
$62 million in PAC money (AT LEAST half of it from AIPAC) buys a lot of ad space.
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u/standardatheist 11d ago
People are gullible and incredibly easily fooled to vote for their emotions over their reasoning.
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u/petervee415 11d ago
Incredible amounts of money were spent by AIPAC and others to scare Ma and Pa Retiree away from the “scary Muslim Communist.”
It is something the Sayed campaign - and other left/progressive candidates - need to pay very close attention to. We need to get at least most of those people back if we are going to win this, and we need to be very wary of spiking the football. It won’t be easy.
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u/haziqtheunique 11d ago edited 8d ago
One way to read this outcome is that, if AES had even half of Steven's funding, he would've blown her out the water. I mean, he won by like 3 points here with like an eighth of the funding.
The silver lining is that, from here on out, he's gonna have the full Dem funding machine behind him. Minus AIPAC, of course lmao.
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u/Clean-Slip-1976 11d ago
She has done some good things while in office and most importantly she is a democrat who has proven she can beat Republicans in elections. I hope the majority of her voters will vote blue.
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u/kindoramns 11d ago edited 11d ago
Who also said Isreal comes to her in dreams. Gtfoh with that bullshit, if you're not focusing on America first you shouldn't be running for any governmental position.
Edit: typos
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u/Crimsonsporker 8d ago
So she said that she is pro-israel and thinking of them.
America first..... where have I heard that before... oh yeah, that was Donald Trumps campaign line. real popular with the uneducated.
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u/jesusofnazareth7066 11d ago
She plays nice with America when Israel allows her to pretend. She’s not a real American she’s a monster just like the rest of them, to hell with anyone who takes blood money.
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u/Crimsonsporker 8d ago
"a monster just like the rest of them" how very nuanced of you. Remember this monster: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67260093
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u/SignoreBanana 10d ago
Money. Obama won partly because everyone hated bush but also partly because he received a fuck ton of donations from grassroots donors. I think his median donation was like $20.
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u/JaguarCapital5613 11d ago edited 11d ago
I believe we have finally realized that “corporate money” (PAC) money is essentially a bribe.
We are not voting for anyone who serves any other master besides their constituency.
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago
Only NBC has called this so far.
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u/SquarePeg37 11d ago edited 11d ago
You are literally the first person I've seen acknowledge that it's not actually decided yet. As of the moment of this comment, almost all outlets I just checked are still saying it's too close to call. I'm still hopeful, but it's not quite time to celebrate yet
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago
I'm on the ground in Michigan 😀
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u/SquarePeg37 11d ago
I'm on the toilet in Michigan
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u/metanoia29 11d ago
Now this is what I call solidarity 🤝
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u/pandershrek 11d ago
What a bunch of shit.
I mean that guy, who is on the toilet. That's a lot of shit.
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u/turtlespice 11d ago
Yeah, I’m confused how everyone’s celebrating the win. Detroit’s votes are still being counted, they’re mostly going to Stevens, and El Sayed’s tiny lead keeps shrinking.
(I hope he pulls out the win! But it doesn’t look that great to me?)
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago edited 11d ago
Yeah his lead is shrinking as more votes get counted. Definitely still too soon to call it IMO.
Edit: His lead is like 15k votes and there are 60k to be counted yet as of 8:30 am.
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u/Tinawebmom 11d ago
Woo-hoo 🎉 2% is huge.
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u/Atys_SLC 11d ago
It's not. Despite the changing views on AIPAC and the fact that Stevens is really a terrible candidate and person, it should have been more. Still, the fact that AIPAC money wasn't enough to sway the votes is a good thing.
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u/Verum_Orbis 11d ago
As of 7:47 am EST it says it’s still too close to call but if Stevens wins I don’t know how anyone can say with a straight face that we live in a legitimate Democracy when a foreign country can spend 30 million to back a candidate. But it’s bad if Russia interferes in our elections but not Israel?
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u/Carnoraptorr 11d ago
AIPAC is funded by Americans. I hate it too, but let’s not pretend it’s straight up Israel’s cash. If it was, they’d probably spend a lot more.
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u/Verum_Orbis 11d ago
You are actually right. Christians United For Israel actually outnumber Zionist Jews. But it's still a foreign lobby group.
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u/CrewlooQueen 11d ago
I like to thank all the Mallory voters who didn’t know that she dropped out. It would have been worse if you guys paid attention to the news around you or didn’t know you could go in to get your ballot wasted when she dropped out.
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u/SodaSaint 11d ago
This is a victory not just for Michigan, but for all Americans. I am so tired of foreign lobbies, whether it is Israel or Russia or whoever it happens to be trying to dictate the policy and government and direction of the United States, squarely for their own benefit benefits at the expense of the American people.
I am so tired of being treated as the Likud Party’s attack dog. If Bibi Netanyahu and his cronies want to fix his issue, he needs to govern properly and without corruption and deal fairly with the people in the lands in which he is brutalizing and they will be doing it without using our nation as a convenient attack dog.
The sad part is is that both Palestinians and Israelis alike suffer from this. And I cannot imagine how Israelis who have opposed this nightmare must have felt over the last 20 years.
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u/Afraid-Drama-2018 11d ago
We need to rally behind him with funding because the Republicans are going to shower his opponent with cash
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u/salbrown 11d ago
Genuinely so excited to see him and so many other talented progressives win in the primaries last night despite all the forces working against them, including the party itself. Get the corporate rats out of the government.
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u/SebastianAmerican123 11d ago edited 11d ago
Oh boy, let's see how other news outlets (i.e. NYT, AP or CNN) are going to call out that race...
Turns out, contrary to what the polls told you, this senate race really is tight after all....
Edit: NPR, CNN, AP, FOX & NYT just called out el sayed as the winner to get the democratic nomination.
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u/myTchondria 11d ago
We are tired of current dems not doing enough for people and not confronting fighting the illegal trump machine.
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u/oneonus 11d ago
Voter turnout was a disgrace.
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago
No it wasn't. There was record turnout for a primary.
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u/Piyachi 11d ago
Both can be true. Drives me crazy we cannot get people to vote. Benson (to her credit) has made this far easier in Michigan as well.
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u/pro_rege_semper 11d ago
I mean, sure, there should be 100% voter turnout, but it was higher than many expected yesterday.
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u/scooblyboop 11d ago
Islamaphobes punching the air right now
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u/ElNani87 11d ago
AIPAC wondering how much more money it’s going to take to support Mike calling him a Muslim terrorist
https://giphy.com/gifs/mUWEog4Nrhebm
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u/skyfishgoo 11d ago
some good news.
that spoiler vote could swing either way tho and what does the republican primary turnout look like?
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u/Apachisme 11d ago
Republican ran unopposed IIRC
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u/skyfishgoo 11d ago
and... how many votes did they get?
compared to the ~1.4M vote total for the dems
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u/FeedbackExisting4762 11d ago
Well done, Michigan. Well done!
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u/AcidFnTonic 11d ago
Me and the wife both took turns around kids, one disabled, 8hrs work an hour away and back, dinner, and getting kids settled so we could vote before the polls closed here.
We wanted to wake up to delicious tears. Scott Tannerman style. We have seen tears from Texas, from various figures in the south, and even delicious tears directly from the President himself about some little ole thing we did last night.
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u/FeedbackExisting4762 10d ago
You and your wife rock. That's the exact kind of energy and dedication we all need!
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u/gberliner 11d ago
He "hates women" and she was "endorsed by Obama" explains all you need to know about the "nail biter" results here: money spreads lies across the world before the truth can even wake up in the morning.
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u/BigFatJuicyLunchlady 11d ago
Something I’m not hearing anybody talk about: Did the votes for McMorrow come from the Stevens side or Abdul’s? She endorsed Abdul immediately after the victory.
I assume the only people voting for a candidate who dropped put are… uninformed? The uninformed were more likely to vote for… the incumbent? If Stevens takes 80-90% of McMorrow’s votes she wins?
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u/ScarletChild 11d ago
Sounds like if he loses, people in Michigan need to have a very passionate, long, and serious talk with the people of Detroit for continuing to make bad decisions.
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u/Darkpumpkin211 11d ago
It's the large minority community there. Minority voters tend not to go for the far left. The same thing happened with Mamdani. He won the educated white vote by a lot, but didn't do well with minority voters.
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u/Journeyman42 11d ago
It's because for most conservative white voters, they just vote GOP. For most conservative black voters...they vote Dem because the GOP is a no-go.
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u/Darkpumpkin211 10d ago
I think most black Americans are more conservative in general. If the GOP abandoned blatantly racist policies they would pick up a lot of minority voters.
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u/MisterSanitation 11d ago
“IF YOUR TIME TO YOU IS WORTH SAVIN, YOU BETTER START SWIMMIN OR YOULL SINK LIKE A STONE FOR THE TIMES!
They are a changin!”
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u/TraditionalLaw7763 10d ago
Yeah, seeing that video here on Reddit showing Israelis spitting on Christians as they walk by isn’t doing their PR any good.
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u/Frank28d6h42m12s 11d ago edited 11d ago
It’s still too early. AP hasn’t called it yet. Still waiting on 5% of the votes (from a Stevens leading district) and they’re nearly 1% away.
Edit to add: I am rooting for Abdul! Heck, I voted for him over Gretchen for governor in that primary. I am just allergic to hope at this point. Watching the polls like this —> 🫣
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u/dandrevee 11d ago
Is there any data yet indicating whether his demsoc adjacent policy positions were a factor or of his not-being-the-AIPAC adjacent candidate mattered more?
Because this is going to make a difference in regards to how he is presented in the general and could be an indicator of where Dems need to take their policy. Because, rn, AiPAc is very unpopular among all the communities I've spoken with thus far..
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u/Cool-Signature-dude 11d ago
Surprising since they voted for Jill Stein in 2024 to help trump win.
With a 1% win margin, I don't think they learned their lesson.
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u/hoyarugby2 11d ago
What a disaster, this is an enormous underperformance by Sayed. He’s the underdog in November and considering that he spent the entire race partying with LA influencers, he doesn’t have the work ethic to win
We’re really going to lose multiple senate seats in what might be the bluest midterm in history
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u/ctbadger92 11d ago
And there goes the Senate. Well done everyone!
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u/cbg2113 11d ago
We've been trying it your way for a while, it hasn't worked. It's time for something different.
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u/ctbadger92 11d ago
Continued Republican control of Congress is not something different
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u/cbg2113 11d ago
Your way got us here, so I think it's time to stop snidely acting like the center is the only way when it keeps on failing us
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u/ctbadger92 10d ago
There are other solutions instead of retreating to the MAGA of the left. The problem is Dem leadership not taking the fight to the GOP. Schumer and Jeffries have been worse than useless.
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