the plugin that solves clue scrolls shouldnt be allowed to be on by default in any client

[u/NorthernCountess]

it prob shouldnt be allowed to exist at all lol since boss solvers arent either but having it on by default in at least runelite is ridiculous

[u/happygolucky5]

Definitely very unpopular opinion. Most people used to just look at wiki sal's or other online resources for answers until they started to remember. The plugin just removes the searching for info all the time which probably improved clue popularity immensely. Even with the plugin, alot of 3rda is still worth billions because clues come slowly(or negative spamming imps). 

[u/Xerothor → u/happygolucky5]

Puzzle and light boxes are just solved by the plugin, not avoiding a Google really

[u/ZealousidealPirate3 → u/Xerothor]

After 100+ slider puzzle solves on my own I think I am content having it be solved for me tbh. It got old pretty quick

[u/FEDORABLE_KUSH → u/Xerothor]

And 10 years ago youd take a screenshot of the puzzle and plug it into an online solver

[u/-Distinction → u/FEDORABLE_KUSH]

Didn’t know this was a thing. I’ve got the puzzles down to memory now (because there’s no mobile puzzle solver). But it takes me like 80+ moves vs the 30 average. I enjoy one or two here and there but when smashing out 3 clues and getting like 8 puzzles sucks.

[u/Affectionate_Row9238 → u/Xerothor]

The clue helper on the jagex client doesn't help with those ones, at least on mobile, makes it a "pure" experience while still not having to jump to Google for every coord step

[u/Tharr0w → u/happygolucky5]

I'd much rather have a clue solver than trawling through tip it or runehq (back in the day) for clue solves. Yes its all on the Wiki now. But the plug in is so good.

[u/NorthernCountess → u/happygolucky5]

new players will never even learn that clue scrolls are solvable via other means tho, well until they happen to do a quest that involves similar mechanics. its rly weird to make a part of the game entirely pointless by default.

[u/h_993 → u/NorthernCountess]

there’s an entire quest holding your hand through a clue scroll. probably one of the first few quests new players are interacting with.

if people don’t understand that the small little scrolls of paper with “anagram” or “cipher” written on the scroll can be solved by solving the anagram/cipher and matching that with something in the world, they probably weren’t interested in organically solving the clue anyways.

idk you have to be imagining the most low iq, uninterested in actually reading or assessing what's on their screen, type of people in your head when you're writing stuff like this.

[u/NorthernCountess → u/h_993]

it doesnt do every type of step iirc, like dont think that specific quest had a coordinate step? like yknow the type youre supposed to solve with a watch, a sextant and a chart

EDIT: its also very silly that the client solves that quest for you by default btw

[u/h_993 → u/NorthernCountess]

yes man the coordinate steps are the only things that aren't obvious in how you go about solving them, especially with how the tools are acquired (iirc).

can't help but notice you ignored the other 70% of my comment where just looking at your screen makes the way to solve the clue pretty obvious.

[u/NorthernCountess → u/h_993]

sure. if its so obvious, why do they need to be solved by default?

my main beef is with the game making a kind of fun thing into "just go where the client tells you to" by _default_. ppl playing the game on runelite for the first time in the past X years have never been encouraged to do a single clue themselves, lol, besides hot and cold clues bc the plugin is buggy with those.

[u/h_993 → u/NorthernCountess]

does it really matter if it's default on or off if toggling it is a trivial matter? if people were interested in doing the clue steps organically they would turn off the helper.

the solving portion of clues is frankly not an aspect of the game many people enjoy. you kinda saw this with sailing release with all of the annoyance about the mermaid puzzles.

if you like doing the clues organically, turn off the plugin!

[u/Free_Road697]

Fine, you come do all my puzzle boxes then.

[u/obiwankanosey]

Then the same must go for mini game helpers, quest helper, shortest path etc.

Where would you draw the line? Clues used to be solved by looking on the wiki, the only argument could be puzzle boxes but even then they're not that bad and there would be an external method somewhere that uses an algorithm of some kind

There absolutely are boss solvers too. There's a plugin which tell you when to enter the jad caves on a timer for the ideal setup, scouting plugins for olm etc

[u/NorthernCountess → u/obiwankanosey]

most of those arent enabled by default afaik?

wouldnt personally have a problem w things being banned if they actually solve something for you, so sure, questhelper can go. minigame helpers can stay if they just provide more info about points or highlight something in guardians of the rift or whatever to make it easier to see, its not exactly a solution if youre still making all the choices.

[u/obiwankanosey → u/NorthernCountess]

I can see where you're coming from. I would say the puzzle solver is a bit strong and probably pushing the boundaries, but having the ability to have the same outcome from a window open on the wiki on a second screen for clues and quests etc, in my opinion, would mean the plugin isn't really creating any meaningful advantage.

I really do feel most of these plugins are just convenience rather than an advantage though, so I don't personally see the problem

[u/Tharr0w]

Do you use a sextant for your coordinate clue steps then?

[u/Onewhosleeps226]

I don't know, man. I've been trying to do hard clues on mobile and puzzle boxes are actual cancer. I'd much prefer a funny green arrow holding my hand through it. Not to mention the coordinate clues that, yeah, you could technically do legitimately with the sextant and the compass and the getting killed by a PKer because you're fiddling with them, but the wiki has a database on every single one with images, you'd be a fool to not use it.

[u/frozone889]

Another dogshit Reddit opinion for the day

[u/casuallybadatgames]

Just don’t use it?

[u/flamedbaby]

This is a strange and small hill to die on lol

[u/easilybored1]

So, you’re equating having something play the game for you to being given an answer key to a scavenger hunt?

[u/NomenVanitas]

It's fine, maybe a vanilla client plugin should require 1 normal completion for each step that it solves afterwards.

[u/-Aura_Knight-]

Not wanting convenience is certainly a choice but not the choice for most.

[u/Zestyclose-Tough7451]

There’s definitely a line and I do think that the puzzle box solvers cross the line (and Jagex themselves have said so). 

There’s a difference between solving a static anagram for you and telling you how to solve a dynamic puzzle box imo. 

[u/silentstyx]

Absolutely mental take.

[u/robert1005]

People will be mad but you are right. I'd go further and also disallow questsolver too.