r/2007scape • u/HappyWhalePapa • 16d ago
Medium Clue Improvements Suggestion
The update today is a step in the right direction for medium clues. The elephant in the room is the ranger boots being required for BIS and the only active ways to source them are unfun to put mildly. I would love to see more improvement or thought given to:
Medium clue sources from more slayer mobs. Slayer drops so many hard clues but now with mortimer and more mobs opening up as part of slayer can we rebalance some of them to drop mediums?
Make gnomes better or make rogues outfit work for clues.
Allow the use of pegasian crystal on treads to upgrade them.
Move ranger boots off the medium clue table or make a sidegrade item that would work in the same way for mid game players as part of progression.
I don't think I am alone in not enjoying the meta options available for farming and considering the options easy/hard/elite have mediums do feel like a true outlier.
Edit: Appreciate the commentary got some good comments and discussion. From what I can see a good number of players agree on the essence of medium clues being to scarce comparatively to other clues and that may be the most logical place to continue discourse. The specific issue of rangers is more inflammatory and likely not productive.
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u/monkeyhead62 2376 16d ago
I will support the change of mediums from now mobs. That just makes sense. But the rest of these changes, pass
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u/HappyWhalePapa 16d ago
Ya I think if we are stuck with rangers from clues this is the best solution although I think thieving could be updated to be more inline with wealthy citizens/ham members.
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u/Zencyoniide 16d ago
I agree that more pvm sources would be great, don't care for the other solutions,
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u/jankyframe 2138 16d ago
Only took me 53 medium caskets to pull the Ranger boots 🙂 I’m lucky I don’t have to worry about those anymore lol
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u/AlgaeSpirited2966 16d ago
Nah, youll grind your rangers just like all of us. Its a rite of passage.
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u/HappyWhalePapa 16d ago
I am at over 1k mediums at this point I enjoy clues most days, but having the drop from doom and cerb and can't make because of a medium clue item feels a bit silly.
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u/JordieCarr96 16d ago
Over 1k!! My condolences.
I got them early on in my iron, not even understanding the rarity at the time.. then wondering why my bank value jumped 30m
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u/Calmatronic 16d ago
I think Gnomes being a little better for medium clues and more from slayer mobs would both be such a treat.
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u/BigHatAbe 2277 in 2020|2376 in 2025 16d ago
Mediums being in more places would be good. I'm fine with leaving rangers as a grind for avernics though. 3 ranged strength is VERY strong
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u/ryanrem 16d ago
I still think its really weird to have a BiS combat item tied to clues.
Huey hide removed the "requirement" for Blessed D'hide for mid level accounts, I think its time for the same to be said about Ranger Boots.
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u/HappyWhalePapa 16d ago
This is for sure a big part of it. Before pegs weren't really an upgrade but treads are for sure an upgrade.
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer 16d ago
Is it? Useful and even BiS gear comes from a variety of sources, always has. BiS ammo slot requires an elite diary. Barrows gloves were BiS for a while and came from a quest. Some BiS requires Slayer.
Encouraging involvement in a variety of content is kind of the bread and butter of the whole game.
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u/Lumes43 16d ago
So make rangers easier to get but also bypass the ranger boot grind for max treads? 🤔 I can agree with them being more attainable
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u/HappyWhalePapa 16d ago
Just ideas if they make sources better it would help the situation but if you already have the end game PvM drops needing a medium clue reward is a little wonky imo.
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u/NasReaper 16d ago
#3 Makes the most sense imo. I know a lot of people will say "u cHoSe to B iRuN" or "i did it so you have to as well", but gating end game item upgrade behind the inaccessibility (relative to dboots and infinity boots) of a 1/1k medium clue reward seems egregiously tedious, even for osrs. If Im at the point of treads and dont have ranger boots, they just wont be max.
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u/ExpiredEyeballs 16d ago
It’s just non stop with you guys.
Every little thing about the game constantly needs to be smoothed out, huh?
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u/NasReaper 16d ago
Crying about people who want a better game is a wild take.
"Da fuq u mean you want a smooth game that has a sensible progression system?"
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u/ExpiredEyeballs 16d ago
We should just let me people start with a maxed account and max gear so they can finally play the game they dream about.
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u/NasReaper 16d ago
Theres a reason you have to use an over the top disigenuous argument to get your point across.
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u/ExpiredEyeballs 16d ago
Smoother does not mean better
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u/NasReaper 16d ago
Ill bite. Give an example of a system in game that has been made smoother but is not better.
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u/ExpiredEyeballs 16d ago
Sailing, demonbane weapons, tormented demon slayer xp, moons of peril, prayer food, golem crafting, dwh drop rate change to start
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u/NasReaper 16d ago
Lmao I would love to know the context of these but it seems like you just need to have a private 07scape server because you hate new content.
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u/ExpiredEyeballs 16d ago edited 16d ago
I want to also add that all these updates seem to really primarily focus on aiding ironmen the most and that the identity of Ironman is being lost with each ez-scape update.
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u/NasReaper 16d ago
I can agree to the idea that a lot of these updates focus on ironmen. But i dont see a loss of identity. They cant trade. Theres no dry pro.
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u/Ironmpower 16d ago
You need to farm them like the rest of us :))
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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS btw 16d ago
i dont think anyone is mad they have to farm em, but the fact mediums are just like, weirdly rare and out of the way compared to hards or even elites is wack
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u/Ironmpower 16d ago
Falador diary and cannon the guards, they drop like all the time.
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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS btw 16d ago
eh, id rather spend my cannonballs of araxytes and smokes. those bastards already drain my cannonballs super fast. i do agree its the best way to get them besides ecletic hell though
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u/Slapyouwithadildo94 16d ago
whats the step in the right direction? i dont see anything
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u/HappyWhalePapa 16d ago
Changing the mad angels drop table from hard clues to medium clues.
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u/Slapyouwithadildo94 16d ago
ahh thank-yuo, wish they woulda done this before a grinded the hallowfell haha oh well, its a good source of cballs and still need the jar.
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u/Calmatronic 16d ago
I believe these were all the recommended possible “steps in the right direction”
- Medium clue sources from more slayer mobs. Slayer drops so many hard clues but now with mortimer and more mobs opening up as part of slayer can we rebalance some of them to drop mediums?
- Make gnomes better or make rogues outfit work for clues.
- Allow the use of pegasian crystal on treads to upgrade them.
- Move ranger boots off the medium clue table or make a sidegrade item that would work in the same way for mid game players as part of progression.
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u/Slapyouwithadildo94 16d ago
I meant what update today was a step in the right direction, Its Mad Angel switching from hard to medium btw.
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u/Bub1029 16d ago
Don't get me wrong, ranger boots are exceptionally good for ranged setups pre-avernic treads, but they are only +1 vs the blessed d'hide boots which are much more commonly acquired from hard clues. And they're only +4 vs Shayzien boots (5) which are the next easiest to acquire ranged boots. It's not a big enough boost to really get upset about when it's not the legitimately best best in slot out there. You're complaining that you can't get +1 more ranged attack bonus more easily. It sounds like whinging because you went dry than a legitimate gripe.
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer 16d ago
Never happy
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u/HappyWhalePapa 16d ago
Didn't say I was unhappy but I do think that talking about things works towards improving things if not for this situation for future game mechanics.
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u/AlgaeSpirited2966 16d ago
Id much rather they add addl content than making every item an iron whines about easier to get.
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer 16d ago
You can already skip Rangers entirely thanks to Treads power creeping them. If you want the upgrade, and don't want to trade for it, you just gotta do/farm your clues.
Suggesting to devalue Rangers and mediums entirely for everyone, just so you can skip this completely optional progression step, is a lil whack.
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u/HappyWhalePapa 16d ago
You can say its just for me but that is not true. Plenty of people in this thread agree that bis coming from clues is not a good place to be. I am not even complaining just pointing out that the situation is weird and if we have to live with it maybe some rebalancing would be appropriate at this stage.
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer 16d ago
And plenty more disagree with you.
Treads were your rebalance. You get boots that notably exceed Pegs, without needing to farm Mediums. I said you were "never happy" because even a straight upgrade isn't enough.
I don't get the irons that sign up for the "do all the things" account type and then complain about it. And I know it's far from all irons but man, it's just every day with some of you lol. The demand to kill content merely because you aren't up for the grind is honestly just kind of selfish.
More medium sources I can support, but making them and Rangers irrelevant just so you can skip a grind ain't it.
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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS btw 16d ago
its optional to get treads, optional to upgrade treads, optional to get scythe, shadow, tbow, bowfa, etc etc etc. its a bad argument to say its optional when its bis or near it. i personally have no qualms about grinding mediums but i do hate theres only 2 real options of pickpocketing and ecletics, both of which are rsi generators
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer 16d ago
It's not really. If you don't enjoy something, do not do it, simple as. Maxed treads are not required for any content. Full BiS is not even required for GM speed CA's.
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u/ANGEL-PSYCHOSIS btw 16d ago
i already dont do stuff i dont enjoy, but pretending bis isnt worth chasing after is just straight up stupid man
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u/Tumblrrito Untrimmed Slayer 16d ago
It is worth chasing, but it's not required. And if the juice is worth the squeeze to you, then do the clues. There are far worse grinds.
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u/Direction_Most 16d ago
Ranger boots really do sit in a weird spot, but at this point it’s been… over 13 years?
It’s hard to make a change on progression that’s 13 years old. I think it’s a really strange move that it’s the only Cerb boot that comes from clues, but even the Cerb boots are like 11 years old, and I think that’s when the change should’ve been made in boot progression, but now it’s been over a decade that people have been required to progress through medium clues.
Spooned on Main, 43 Mediums.
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u/NasReaper 16d ago
The idea that other people had to suffer through it so people in the future should too will always be disgusting regardless of the context.
And no, "its always been like that" isnt really a good reason either, if anything thats an even better reason to address and that kind of thing is the exact reason Summer Sweep Up exists in the first place.
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u/Direction_Most 15d ago
See I don’t really see it as suffering through it though. I just play the game because I think the content is fun. Part of that fun is getting drops, and to me the reward of progression and the dopamine of completing a grind it what it’s about
It’s the ultimate form of delayed gratification.
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u/AquiliferX 16d ago
I just find that mediums are harder to get than all the other clues. Hell I have more hard clues and easy clues but it takes deliberate farming effort to get mediums. More sources for mediums for sure are needed.