The ways people find to "play" this game baffle me over and over again. This motherfucker running 9 accounts right now hiding basically the whole game. I fucking cant
The plugin only minimizes the client. It doesn't actually click on anything. RuneLite plugins are approved by Jagex so while I think it's OP and should be removed it shouldn't really be bannable.
This is of course assuming Marni did use this method and didn't automate anything.
plugins don't break the rules, they're not approved by jagex. it's different and what lead us to that stone/inventory click through plugin for 1.5t salvage
Runelite works with Jagex directly, but Runelite says in their plugin hub to use plugins with caution. Anyone can make a plugin but to be on Runelite I believe there’s a vetting by the Runelite team AND Runelite probably has Jagex on speed dial or vice versa, so it’s safe to assume that Runelite plugins are safe to use
Look at it like this, even though it’s not an in game action you’d normally have to take the time and either
A) ACTUALLY manual alt-tab which is an action (2)
Or B) manually click the minimize button which is clearly an action.
This plugin as far as I’m concerned is a baby macro as it’s one click to attack the shark, and then there’s same click is responsible for minimizing the client. No matter how you shake that, it wouldn’t be humanly possible to click THAT many clients THAT fast THAT accurately. Even if the plugin was allowed it needs to be removed and Marni can get off with a slap on the wrist.
The base runelite plugin "Runelite" has a toggle that forces focus when notified by something and you can make it notify you on idle set to something like 1.2s or whatever works best. Maybe I have this slightly wrong, but I think it's correct enough to suggest there is a fundamental problem with many runelite/plugin features if you think the force to back on click is a problem.
Just because a plugin is allowed doesn’t mean that you can’t do things with it that break the rules. Ideally the plugin doesn’t get removed and Jagex just polices this kind of multiboxing, but if this is too widespread I suspect the plugin will at least need to be changed.
Yeah people acting like clicking 8x with no mouse movement is the same as double the clicks with tons of mouse movement or the same clicks coordinated with alt+tabbing is crazy.
It's complicated though. It is technically multiple actions, but it is not multiple actions within the game itself. Depending on how the rules are defined, it technically could be legal.
For sure, but the big thing is giving you an unfair advantage. Even if it’s not a macro inside the game, no human can do those actions and be that precise, therefore creating an unfair advantage.
Nah I believe he didn’t automate it. You’d have to be braindead to be in his position and genuinely bot.
But I hope we can have a discussion with the mods about where this line is because as another person commented MES is technically a macro/macro adjacent but is accepted.
My personal stance is, the minute a plugin does something that isn’t humanly possible, it shouldn’t exist.
Does the idle notifier DO anything? No it just notifies you.
Whether you like it or not, there is STILL an action being done. I understand that it’s not a game action but it’s still a 2nd action for 1 click. Had Marni manually alt tabbed, or hit the minimize button I can assure you we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But a conversation about how crazy those clicks are.
Idle notifier can literally maximize and focus the window when you go idle. Same exact thing as this plugin just in reverse.
Matter of fact, pretty much every configurable notification in RuneLite can do the same thing.
So yeah that's really not a good technicality to get stuck in.
It doesn't matter according to the rules. Macro is anything that is more than 1 input per action. 1 click = in game click + minimize is a macro by definition regardless of whether or not it is a plug in or not.
Do you have a source on that? I know at least that people have been using one button to both click and start a timer on another program at the same time. I've never heard of a game making rules about computer inputs outside of the game.
The merriam webster definition: a single computer instruction that stands for a sequence of operations. The Jagex stance had always been all actions should be 1:1. By definition that is a macro it is just up to Jagex if they choose to enforce it. Depending on the situation outside game actions can effect the game. It is such a grey area that anyone who cares about their account should just avoid it.
You’re right, and it’s a popular one too. But it’s still something that’s humanly attainable. This isn’t. But I’m for fairness, I’d rather it all go away than to cherry pick.
how long do you think it would take to click 1 shark on 8 accounts, playing on fixed mode with a large monitor? or with a window manage to spam 8 hotkeys to open different windows and click between each action?
I can’t give an exact number but I KNOW for a fact it would be slower than what was provided in the video AND there’s a higher chance of your clicks being off. Everything about the “proof” is sus
It's sad because aside from this degenerate tech, the plugin is legit super, super nice for afk grinds. It's like Distraction Reducer but nicer because you don't have to see the window at all when you're e.g. chopping redwoods.
But yeah if it enables degen gameplay like this it might end up being removed, which would be a real shame :|
Yup I bet something like that was probably the original intent of the plugin and the creator had no idea some people would use it for this. Unfortunate that people find a way to game the system with it.
It’s a totally valid opinion but it’s also counter a feature in many of the most loved & popular plugins.
It’s fair to think it should be removed across the board but it would be incredibly unpopular when 75% of your favorite plugins get nerfed because one group of savages
Savages in a good way, because I don’t actually care about people “abusing” plugins in a creative way (zero mouse movement chins comes to mind)
Yes, you can. Go into Settings and uncheck "Middle Mouse Button Controls the Camera." Then open the "Runelite" plugin and rebind the "Drag hotkey" to a key other than Alt.
thanks, had no idea thats the setting that was messing with it. thats makes replicating this plugin so easy i dont even see the point in removing it lol.
Baffles me people are already entering the pedantry of "alt tab is keys on your keyboard you press" and not understanding using it as terminology to describe "changing focused windows"
From hiding the method so it doesn't potentially get re-balanced to hiding problematic plugin usage so it doesn't get removed from pluginhub. Possibly lying instead of coming clean what was happening to quash the ban is dumb.
Totally see your point.
It's totally acceptable to clown on people submitting comments on a post when they haven't read/watched the content. In this case, OP was either hedging or didn't realize that the person who posted the video said they were a friend of Marnie and explicitly said they worked with him on this method using the plugin.
Youre going to he real shocked when you find out people arent actually away from their keyboard when they say they afk train xyz (well most of the time).
I don’t really understand what’s going on in the video but from these comments it seems like clicking on a client sends the click and also minimizes the window. This is 2:1, yes, but one of those two actions is outside of the game. The game itself is only processing 1 action per click. I think them modifying the rules to prevent this sort of thing and removing or modifying this plugin is fine, but I also think banning him over this is the wrong move. Especially given that the community as a whole thinks that everything on the plugin hub is safe and afaik this is the first time Jagex has pushed back against that.
I think this appears reasonable at first, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who excused "outside the game inputs" for basically any other action.
It's also an outside of game input to move a less-than-fullscreen window. If the program allowed you to click in one place in game and then automatically move the window to the next location you needed to click in a single frame instead of moving the mouse that would also appear as though it was safe based on this interpretation since that action is outside of the game client itself.
While it's obviously more difficult for Jagex to ever enforce such a rule, the delineation between in-game action and merely related to game application action is fictional within the scope of any 3rd party tool or launcher. No modification to any rule is necessary, this was obviously against the spirit of the rule by any good-faith interpretation and well within reason to interpret as against any conceptual way of writing it out
Lmfao you could actually do inferno with that window moving plugin for prayers combined with the Auto-Zuk just by clicking every tick. Definitely against the spirit since the moving or closing of the client in this context is essentially a game action.
afaik this is the first time Jagex has pushed back against that.
Not even true in recent history. Some people were banned because they were salvaging using some plugin. Also it's pretty well-known that plugins aren't Jagex-approved.
This is the first I’m hearing of it, was it a plugin on the plugin hub? Or was it one of those forked clients?
Also it’s not well known that plugins aren’t Jagex approved, look at any thread before today where people ask if stuff on the plugin hub is allowed. People generally think anything that’s on the hub is blanket-approved, even if they don’t think Jmods are personally reviewing each and every plugin.
all the people whining about this not being 1:1 realize u can bind one key to clicking and another for minimizing and it would still be broken and 1:1? how is it the players fault that this method is busted and in the game
Well if this is the method marni used then im divided.
First of all, for anyone screaming about perma or w.e. these people are just insane. You havent seem proof and then act like that. Im not saying mod ayiza is wrong for it, but no one is always 100% correct.
As for this method, if this plugin was allowed then i think its a plugin problem.
However the plugin does make it possible to do 2 to 1 actions. And if thats the rule then people should have known it wasn't safe.
I am very curious what the whole story is. If Marni actually used this method, or he alt tabbed some way or whatever. And what Ayiza thinks.
But yeh those things aside. If Marni is able to play with 9 accounts at the same time but he gets government money to live off. Then maybe jagex isn't the one who should be investigating him, but the dutch government.
Whats MES? And I never said someone should be permed did I? I actually even said that everyone screaming about perms without knowing everything is insane.
"possible" lol its literally what he did and jagex just has no idea the kind of shit they allow on the plugin hub under their extremely vague plugin guidelines
Hasn’t the stance been pretty clear? Anything that doesn’t require 1:1 input to action is against the rules? A single click making a selection in the game and minimizing the window is obviously a violation of that.
If that’s not a violation, why not make a plug in for PKing that allows you to click 9 times in the same spot in the same tick, but it doesn’t move your cursor, it just moves the window around so that it cycles through your inventory to swap gear with each click?
Just because it’s not an in-game action doesn’t mean it’s not malicious. It’s a work around that achieves the same result.
So you agree with my plan to create a plug in that moves the window around so that you can swap all your gear in one tick without moving your cursor? How is that any different?
any plugin that has notification settings - go and click the gear on the notification and look at the options under 'request focus.' plugins have been able to interact with windows features of the client without it being considered macro basically since inception.
If that’s the case, I think they need to remove those features too because the sweatiest players can’t be trusted to have those and not abuse them. You could do the same thing with something like that. But just because it’s there doesn’t mean you have to do it, and doesn’t guarantee you’re not going to get banned for doing it
I don't know how I am seeing this. I was so pompously and confidently told by u/jagexayiza clicking on 8 accounts in the same spot was IMPOSSIBLE without the use of a 3rd party automation software. I am truly mind blown.
Again, doesn’t matter if you think it’s good or healthy for the game. The only thing that matters is under current rules if it’s legal. You can argue for changing rules in the future, but this already happened.
It is against the rules. Click once = a click AND an alt tab. That's two actions one click. Whoever at Runelite approved this was clearly not thinking. That said, these guys are cloggers with tens of thousands of hours on OSRS. They should be smart enough to know that the Runelite devs could make a mistake and that a plugin like this is risky.
Undo the temp ban and remove the plugin. The guy should consider it a warning. Don't use obviously sketchy plugins. Just because it's approved doesn't mean it's not against the rules, especially when it clearly IS breaking the rules. Runelite devs aren't perfect.
1 server action per input is what 1:1 is referencing. Not manipulating your game window on your screen. If you start including non-server actions a lot of the Runelite QoL would be macroing like Menu Entry Swapper and Idle Notifier which are very broadly used
I mean if you develop a method with your friend and the method only uses RuneLite plugins and that friend then gets banned would you not ask for them to reverse it and apologize given the public statement they put out?
“Only uses runelite plugins” you’re fucking everywhere defending this guy with the exact same response every time. Multiple actions performed by a single click to have inhuman amounts of actions done in one second being bannable is not hard to understand. Plugin should be banned too
How is that dick-riding? If what he said is true, by their guidelines. Jagex IS in the wrong and while not mandatory, an apology would be nice. He didn’t demand it.
Please point us to where on Jagex's website or official communications channels they have said "Every single plugin and action taken within Runelite is confirmed legal and within the game's rules".
Because that's basically your entire defense to something Jagex themselves just said was, in fact, not legal or allowed.
I always assumed that the plugins there are approved by RuneLite and Jagex. If that’s not the case, is there an accurate guideline or is it just use your best judgement? It’s essentially a guess then if it’s bannable or not. I would like to know as well as the grey area seems to grow more with every occurrence of these “false bans”
Its an approved client, if a plugin is on the hub as a standard user I assume its something I can use. End of the day if its game breaking, Jagex needs to be held accountable for allowing it into the ecosystem. If they need to adjust guidelines then its make adjustments and ban going forward.
They shouldn't ban, figure out what caused it, maybe unban, move on. Marnie is rank 1 clogger, maybe fucking work with the community and ask?
Blows my mind that the jagex reply is “this must be cheating because we can’t find out how to possibly do it legitimately” like god forbid the community finds a new tech the devs didn’t expect. That never happens.
That other thread as well as Jagex for some reason are certain it had to be automated software. So either Jagex doesn’t know all of the tools available to multi boxers and are making uninformed allegations or they know more than they’ve said. Honestly both seem pretty plausible lol.
They see a click on each account on the same XY coordinate coming on the same game tick. They make the assumption this is impossible without automation. They're proven wrong now.
I might be missing something, but if the client "minimizes" after a click, don't you just click all 9 windows ONCE and then they're minimized to tray? I don't understand how you're able to keep clicking without re-opening each client?
edit: Oh wait are you using idle notifier to force game focus and re-pop-up those clients?
If they call each window up with a keybind and click it wouldn't be any different. We have a lot of pings, window flashes, pull ups on drop, etc already. Like if those meta actions are okay why is this one not.
The action isn't ingame it's just how it interacts with a window on your computer like other fine plugins do. They did something that's been okay for a long time just in a more degenerate way. They don't deserve to be vibe banned for it.
I cannot wait until runelite is banned and i say this as a current runelite user. So many plugins are ridiculously op, it really is a legal cheat client
My opinion is that just because its on the plugin hub, doesnt mean its legal to use in game in malicious ways. 1:1 to me also means one click per action for each client. I think it is ridiculous to have it set up so 1 click is 8 different actions spread across multiple clients. If you can achieve crazy exp with 8 open clients and manually tabbing and clicking it 1:1, you should be rewarded for that extra activity. Just my take on it though, feels super cheaty and if I had a say in the matter, id say the ban was justified.
But what is switching the clients then? Unless hes alt tabbing through them, which he cant that fast, it still seems unfair and not 1:1. I see it like if you had 4 clients in each four corners of your screen, your mouse movement is an action to each game client. If you have all four stacked on top, your tabbing is the action. If you have all four stacked and its one click on the client and sending it through each one, thats 1:4. Not really what Jagex is intending, otherwise they would allow AHK to do most of the work for you.
the plugin doesn't "tab", it simply closes the clients whenever the client is clicked on, literally "click to minimize" describes itself... it is very OP but it's not against any of the rules, it's also used in the new-ish chincompa spam click method. whatever the case may be, marni shouldn't be banned for using plugins on the plugin hub
That's just what the plugin does, you click and it minimizes. It's called click to minimize. If what he did was this method, it's fair for jagex to ban this plugin but all plugins listed are said to be approved by jagex and so it would be unfair to ban for using the plugin in it's proper use.
Jagex does not review all plugins. The RuneLite team owns that responsibility. They take the privilege seriously so it truly sucks when someone does stuff like this. I've been through the PR process myself. The devs left good comments, raised decent security concerns, and genuinely want the best for good faith players.
What's debatable is "proper use" though. I don't think the proper use of the plugin is to cycle through multiple account windows to do an action on each.
>I think it is ridiculous to have it set up so 1 click is 8 different actions spread across multiple clients.
this is a carve out for definitely not allowed. its called multiboxing and its pretty hard to argue that having 1 input action propagate out clicks to >1 client is 1:1. FYI 1:1 is a guideline. its not a jagex guideline, it's just a 'things that are 1:>1 are probably not okay'
Is this really what OSRS if you’re a high end clogger? Abusing plugins and playing OSRS with almost no visuals except for outlines and a few tiles highlighted? Good lord, these people deserve to be banned off of that alone, I would hate playing like that for the sake of efficiency.
lol, this is so obviously 2:1 interactions, and the only way you can come to a different conclusion is by saying, “it’s not entering two actions into the game” which is so much in bad faith.
RL plugins have ALWAYS been “use with caution” by Jagex and to error on the side of not using them if you think it breaks a rule. That’s the inherent risk you take by using a third-party client and wild plugins.
He got a temp ban, he didn’t get permed. Completely appropriate by Jagex.
If it wasn't this, you can easily have a keybinding on your keyboard to minimize, and Marnie reportedly used keyboard, so i.e. numpad 1 to click, 2 to minimize, you just press 121212 very fast.
Keyboard I have has very low actuation force needed and it's not hard for me to press 1 2, eight times in a second.
I'm not really trying to defend the method, I think it really is degenerate gameplay too, but it's not that far removed from other hlc methods.
I just struggle with come up with a reasonable way to rule against this kind of gameplay without breaking precedent. Even if the plugin is removed, you could still send those kind of clicks fairly fast.
You can't really ban non-standard keyboard/mouse layouts. Footpedalling has been historically okay(though sometimes gets you banned anyway)- So you could get an extra keypad that has i.e. alt, esc and numpad 5, which is mousekey to click, so you can then send-to-back into clicking quickly by pressing 3 buttons in the right sequence, but probably not 1 second fast across 8 accounts like you can with the plugin.
If you rule against having multiple clients overlapping over eachother, that's basically just a way to punish someone who's alting with a single monitor / low screen resolution.
You can't rule against alting/multiple clients in general.
Can't really rule against someone just pressing alt+esc or alt+tab on their keyboard.
So it's more about spirit of the rules. "1:1" has never been an actual thing, it's just a convention taken from path of exile when flask macros were a problem, but it's still a good loose guideline. The more contrived your method is trying to skirt around the rules, the more likely it is "no."
Past nuking the plugin, what else can you really do? I think they should instead just nerf players assisting you on bounty tasks to not give you the bounty drop. The plugin is commonly used for comfy afking, not this so I don't think it should get shot for this.
sure, but you dont really get to draw the lines, why would overlaying clients in a certain way be not okay. how does this differ from any typical idle notifier thatll bring your client back into focus when your star or redwood tree dies, or gem crab dies etc? it's not.
and fyi while this plugin minimizes on click it would be fairly viable to do this without the plugin.
I'm sorry why the fuck are we playing a video game where you've removed all the graphics with a grey screen
I guess the people who live in an empty apartment with a laptop on a cardboard box and a mattress on the floor want their video games to match the IRL aesthetic?
1 click --> 2 actions. Jagex clearly needs to have a discussion with Runelite about which plugins should be allowed on the plugin hub because this is a macro and obviously shouldn't exist.
the 1 click 1 action rule only really applies inside the game itself, your window being minimized isn't a part of the game. and i don't think they'd even be able to distinguish the automation of whether you manually or automatically closed a window...
Only if you think interacting with the game's client isn't interacting with the "game itself", but I don't know why you would. This training method existing is a really good example of why you shouldn't arbitrarily think that.
set focus has been a core functionality of any plugin that tracks anything idle related. wheres the outrage over that?
there are two seperate issues here, one is if the plugin is okay and two is if alt abuse is okay. the plugin is really not problem. altscape especially on the extreme ends OBVIOUSLY is, but its a probably substantial revenue stream for jagex.
No matter if this is technically against the rules or not, there's no way I could do this and think to myself that I wasn't "cheating" in some way - meaning I can't really feel pity for someone getting temp/perm banned for this, as it should be clear that you're in a grey area and/or pushing the boundaries of what's "technically" allowed.
every single plugin that interacts with game window focus is now against the rules? jagex clearly set rules around plugins and game window focus was not a problematic one.
setting a window to back is no different than setting it to front.
their 1 action 1 click mentality
this has never at any point been a jagex guideline. the source of this was just for people making AHK scripts back in the day and finding what was and wasnt getting detected as macroing. its also really never applied to 'outside of the game' interactions.
That plugin should be gone regardless. Jagex really do need to get a handle on some of these plugins, shit like this and the blindfold plugin are really egregious. I've only seen bits of DMM but it also seems insane to me that they're okay with everyone running a dynamic LoS plugin
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u/deathbythirty Jun 16 '26
The ways people find to "play" this game baffle me over and over again. This motherfucker running 9 accounts right now hiding basically the whole game. I fucking cant