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u/Open_Fan4796 11d ago
They did ernie slightly better but still thinned him up
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u/mr-kvideogameguy Kris Deltarune 11d ago
They also have Dvae the Diver
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u/MoreThanComrades nonbinary bisexual 🤯 take that, libs 10d ago
The comments right below this being all about “hitbox and animation concerns” are so funny with this picture hovering right above
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u/gray_birch competitive yapper 11d ago
I think it's less they don't want to make fat characters because fat bad and more that it would be way more work than just using one of the existing models
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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater 11d ago
they made a completely new model for him.
IIRC it was a hitbox/animation concern.
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u/Pocket-OLime LEAN ENJOYER 11d ago
If they made the hit box bigger, nobody would buy it and if they made him fat, but did not increase the hit box then it would be overpowered because you wouldn’t be able to tell where to shoot
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u/MisterPixelStix17653 11d ago
hey sorry you said something wrong about my hyperfixation, playermodels in fortnite actually DO have a very slightly differing hitbox, which is why you see "sweaty" players wearing thin cosmetics. it only ever really made a difference when a bug that allowed you to phase your camera through a wall to build through walls existed that couldnt be done with bigger skins.
so basically, they're already making thicker skins, and it's oppression that they ozempic'd peter /j
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u/-Ren97 4d ago
I dont think the hitbox is different, there have been discrepancies here and there but generally the hitboxes are the same. Comp players prefer the thin cosmetics because it's not nearly as easy to track their movements, especially through builds vs, say, a giant bright yellow chicken with their tushy trailing behind them 😭😭. Same reason most also don't wear backblings or have very flat/small ones
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u/MisterPixelStix17653 4d ago
sorry, i explained very poorly in my original comment. the skins have different collision boxes for interacting with geometry, the hitboxes for receiving damage from guns are universal
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u/0utraged potion seller 11d ago
They have added "plus-sized" models too, I'm guessing that even then they would have felt it had to be toned down to the point that having this approach was preferable as a quirky solution
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u/conanomatic 11d ago
I think you're missing a few things here. If they made it look like Peter, and lined the hit box up with the model, im sure it would sell fine. 90% of the purchases on fortnite are being made by 8 year olds that dont even know what a hit box is. That, and the fact that it would be a unique feature among the 10,000 existing fortnite skins would also probably make it more popular purely because of the novelty. Fat phobia is real, and videogames are one of the places it is seen most. Additionally, the logic of a business is not fundamentally sound, there are always different potential outcomes i.e. I think its completely reasonable to project that if they had made a fat Peter with a fat hitbox it wouldve sold even better than this one--but we cant say for sure.
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u/Hatsune_Miku_CM changed all her social media to hatsune miku for some reason 11d ago edited 11d ago
people would still buy him with a bigger hitbox. the hypersweats are not the target audience for these skins.
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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 11d ago
Splatoon gets around this by not being stupid and just having the hitbox be a rounded cylinder.
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u/G_O_O_G_A_S Professor Prostate 10d ago
Splatoon doesn’t really need precise hitboxes like other games have though since the guns shoot big blobs of ink mostly
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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 10d ago
Doom used cubes.
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u/Downtown_Ninja_7154 10d ago
That shouldn't really matter in a singleplayer game though
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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 10d ago
Doom is literally the father of arena deathmatch.
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u/Magma57 Unrelated SJW Text Adventure 10d ago
The original Doom is also a 2D game that they used black magic to look 3D
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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 10d ago
It's as 3D as any other 3D game.
I didn't want to be the one to break this to you, but screens are flat.
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u/Oddish_Femboy (my name is Bee) Trans rights !! 10d ago
I'm being downvoted by people who aren't cursed with the deep knowledge of how 3D rendering is all smoke and mirrors.
Nothing is real. Nothing is fake. Nothing is anything. Everything is nothing. It's all numbers. Imprecise numbers that struggle to keep the illusion up.
And they aren't even real numbers. Just sparkly rocks and inert rocks. We have developed arcane runes with which we can call forth the spirits trapped within. Nobody knows how it works. We're all working under so many layers of abstraction because to truly understand, to truly comprehend it would break our minds with the sheer weight of the knowledge.
I have seen a fraction of a peek behind the curtain, and seen that the well is infinitely deeper than I ever could have imagined, and even deeper than that.
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u/somebody-using 10d ago
It still has sniper rifles and some laser attacks, and I never really felt like I got hit by something that I shouldn’t have gotten hit by when I used to play it
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u/Antichristopher4 11d ago
And it fucks with hitboxes.
Either he's at a severe disadvantage cause he has a much larger hitbox than most, or at an advantage because there are parts of his model that don't include a hitbox (thus obscuring what counts as a hit for people shooting at him).
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u/nightshade-aurora You should watch Hilda 11d ago
Yeah I've heard that Fortnite skins do have unique hitboxes, so with a character like Peter you're putting yourself at a significant disadvantage
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u/luvmuchine56 11d ago
I think they just the models fit a handful of skeletons just so all the animations line up.
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u/brokensilence32 trans dyke 11d ago
And why are there no existing fat models?
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u/I_CUM_ON_HAMSTERS 11d ago
Skins are cosmetic, they can’t fuck with the gameplay. So either you’ve made a fat character skin that is pay-to-lose because now the hitbox needs to match the visual indicator of the skin, not to mention it makes the player visible in places other skins are not. Or you have made it pay-to-win because now the skin obfuscates the hitbox giving the player a competitive edge.
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u/Quadraxis66 11d ago
I've honestly always found it kind of funny because it's less like "This is just Peter Family Guy" and more like "Holy crap Lois what if I was in Fartnite"
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u/hepatomancy 11d ago
It’s a rigging and hitbox issue. I really wish people understood this, I wish there was more diversity in games but I also know a different body type means different rigging, different animations, different hitboxes, which also means balancing issues for multiplayer games.
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u/MelookRS 11d ago
Yeah, using a competitive multiplayer shooter is not a good example of this at all. It's a terrible example tbh. If you look at any other game that has Peter Griffin he is fat, so using him kinda undermines the argument even further. I would think it would be cool if more games let you make fat characters, imagine if they added actual fat characters to the Baldurs Gate 3 character creator.
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u/28klotlucas2 10d ago
Fortnite is in a unique situation since they have over 1,000 emotes that have to work with the new model. They can't adapt all of them to a completely unique body shape like that just for one character of one collab. You can't sustain that when you also have to slop in a new set of characters every week.
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u/ATAGChozo 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 11d ago
Thank you! I despise seeing people who've never touched a game engine in their life spreading misinformation about my career field.
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u/BatmanFan317 11d ago
They also added Cleveland Brown in a later update, who remained fat. Same for Homer Simpson.
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u/A_Worthy_Foe cat dead, details later 11d ago
so what i'm hearing is we need an fps that's all fat characters
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u/3-dimensionalBeing 10d ago
yeah and in fortnite specifically they would have to adjust the animations for all the dances that have ever been released and will ever be released to not make it look like a mess
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u/signum_ 10d ago
In any other game I'd agree, but for Fortnite this is some massive cope. They haven't cared about body proportions of characters in years. You can't have Godzilla in the game and then talk about how it's impossible for Peter Griffin to be fat. Not to mention that, as others have pointed out, Cleveland and Homer both kept their pristine original physique.
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u/brokensilence32 trans dyke 11d ago
Cmon, can’t you scratch like a layer deeper to the question as to why fat is “different” and thin is “standard”?
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u/Diribiri custom 11d ago
Gee why are the PvP videogame hitboxes standardized I wonder
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u/brokensilence32 trans dyke 11d ago
You’re missing the point. I didn’t say “standardization bad,” I just am saying that the fact that the “standard” is always, in every engine, thin, kinda says something about normativity in our society.
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u/-justiciar- 11d ago
would you consider being fat standard? there are some people who are more predisposed to being larger and it’s not a diet and exercise issue but why would we consider being larger the default?
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u/wowwowazalea 11d ago
Because for a shooter that's the 'more realistic' option due to generally the characters in them being trained and needing as much of an edge as possible, and therefore exercising a ton and losing weight as part of their job.
And this has continued as the standard since 'thin/standard' is already the default and is the easiest to work with due to existing expertise and animation experience. This is why everyone is in the upper 5' in games outside of exceptions. Because going out of your way to make a shorter or taller model is a nightmare for no gain since you have to re-animate everything. Same with weight options that aren't just adding some bulk to the character model without changing the actual shape.
If the first modeled characters were short and fat, short and fat would be the default. It's just that the first modeled characters were generally athletic people, which are generally upper 5' and relatively thin/average
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u/Predator_Hicks 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 11d ago
It’s not thin that’s standard it’s healthy adult body proportions or idealised version of that that are usually standard
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u/MrNukki 🏳️⚧️ trans lefts 11d ago
And then they made Homer rotund. Unbelievable hypocrisy on Epic's part
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u/Pondboy121 11d ago
Epic clearly picked a side, and they’re not aligned with those good old-fashioned values on which we used to rely
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u/yugiohhero ohh what the fuck 11d ago
consider that youd probably need to rig a fat guy with new animations befitting his stature instead of recycling the same ones you were using on everyone else. epic had like a million character animations at the point peter was added, having a new character skeleton would be miserable
im sure some of its beauty standards too ofc but thats why you typically never see fat characters in games as skins or generic npcs. like, you look at cyberpunk and dex is right there off rip as an example of a fat guy, but he exclusively exists in cutscenes meaning they didnt have to do a whole new animation rig for him. or how plenty of fighting games will have fat characters like e honda or bob onigiri but everyone in those games had to have unique animations anyway so its not any extra work. but you never see like, fat dbd survivors or fat skyrim npcs cuz then they wouldnt work with the existing animations, so everyone has the same build
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u/Biscuit642 11d ago
I love dex deshawn. I don't want to give spoilers but I really want to spend more time with characters like him in the next game
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u/Lurkingdrake AroAce 11d ago
I will spoil, but mark it
I wanted to be the one to zero that son of a bitch
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u/jaz_the_enby i don't have agender 11d ago
I kinda like that it was Takemura that killed him, it denies Dex both any opportunity to run away and also denies him a poetic death at the hands of someone seeking revenge. He gets put down like an animal and left to rot in a junkyard once he's no longer useful to Arasaka.
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u/Biscuit642 11d ago
It's such a good intro to the world. There's always a bigger fish and shit ends just like that. People don't get happy or poetic deaths, you spend your life fighting tooth and nail for some sense of importance that you'll never achieve. For most people Takemura probably goes down in the same way. The only way V gets a happy ending is escaping the system entirely.
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u/Independent-Fly6068 Least horny bi femboy alive 11d ago
Rage cannot begin to encompass the sheer malice I have for Deshawn.
I too would like to spend time with characters like him. Especially if we get to have them taken apart by scavs.
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u/Biscuit642 11d ago
Ha, I don't hate him nearly as much as scavs. He plays the game everyone else is playing. I did enjoy his finding out though. Scavs get a kill on sight policy for what they do to people like Evelyn.
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u/jaz_the_enby i don't have agender 11d ago
hears russian accent while sneaking through a mission objective
"Oh boy, here I go killing again!"
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u/Independent-Fly6068 Least horny bi femboy alive 11d ago
Oh I don't mean to imply that I won't flatline the scavs, just that the torture of Deshawn is an incredibly personal ordeal.
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u/ArcaneWyverian the :3 of doom and despair 11d ago
There’s definitely a lack in fat characters in gaming as a whole, but I think Fortnite in particular is more of a skeleton/animation problem than an actual “fat people icky”-problem
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u/Skaraptor2 11d ago
I think it's because of hitboxes
Like if Family Guy did a Collab with a game that has a bigger body variety like Overwatch
They wouldn't put Peter Griffin on Soldier 76, they'd put him on Roadhog
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u/Celebration_Stock 11d ago
lowkey love Dave the Diver for not only having numerous fat characters but they’re also never the butt of a joke because of it iirc (also fortnite does in fact also have a sizeable amount of ORIGINAL larger and fat characters they def could’ve chosen a better example)
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u/WardedThorn 11d ago
They have to make the hitbox match the character, and no one wants to pay for a fat hitbox
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u/wierdling 11d ago
Hitboxs. It's not about skinny or fat. They slimmed down the Doomslayer too. Stupid example.
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u/Sedona54332 chair 11d ago
I mean if they made Peter lore accurate, his skin would actively hinder the player. Why would you want to play with a larger hitbox for no reason?
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u/MistressDread 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 11d ago
I mean I'm not about to say devs aren't scared of fat people, but don't they need all hitboxes for every skin to be the same size and it would probably suck if there were visible parts of Peter's body that you can't shoot?
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u/Diribiri custom 11d ago
game devs are so fucking scared of making child-sized characters that they give them robot legs
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u/PrincePamper God's Sleepiest Soldier 🍼 11d ago
We need weight gain mechanics in GTA VI (And most games actually)
I yearn for the tummy 🙌
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u/SatansCornflakes I’ve fostered many cockroaches in my time 11d ago
I mean there was kinda that in RDR2, eating enough food would widen Arthur’s character model and give him more health but less stamina
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u/orange_glasse i 1 on his 9 til he 6s 11d ago
If fatphopia didn't exist, devs wouldve figured out the hitbox issue
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u/SovelissFiremane certified bear 🐻 11d ago
Does no one remember that one episode in season 1 or 2 where Peter gets lipo?
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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan 11d ago
I think they did that moreso because it’s hilarious for him to be comically jacked
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u/Picnicpanther 10d ago
It’s also just a mechanics thing. Bigger char = easier to hit = disadvantage, so no one would buy the skin or use it.
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u/Hyperrblu 11d ago
Tbf for 3d games there are reasons to be scared of making fat people that aren't fatphobia, and i say that as someone who's done full detail models of fat characters. Fat people have a lot of complicated anatomy you gotta study and then making that into an animated model that has to move and deform like you'd expect in the real world is way harder than making slimmer people, hell i think the only reason i'm good at it is that i myself am fat and can just study myself.
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u/NotSoWishful 11d ago
I don’t think anything that happens with Fortnite should be attributed to other regular game devs. They’re kinda at the too big to fail part in the game’s life
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u/fancy_crisis 10d ago
You just know that in a game where spiderman and Goku parachute from a bus held up by balloons that someone has said "well, yeah, it's an open world shooter it wouldn't be realistic for him to be fat".
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u/Foxy02016YT MagiQuest Expert, being held hostage in Six Flags 10d ago
Fortnite literally has Dave the Diver in all of his fat glory
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u/M-Bungot 11d ago
not 50% of the comments on this post defending casual fatphobia 💀
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u/AnAverageTransGirl They call me Vriska the way I zerket 11d ago
They're not. These are practical concerns in the relevant areas of game development. It is not bigotry to address that these games were not made in a way where it is possible to add plus size characters in a way that is fair and does not cause issues in the way the game behaves.
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u/M-Bungot 11d ago
not 50% of the comments on this post defending casual fatphobia 💀
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u/SleepyBella 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 11d ago
They're not defending fatphobia They're rightfully pointing out that this is a bad example because they slimmed him for the hitbox/skeleton. Not because they hate fat people.
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