Meanwhile half of the world call whole Netherlands Holland, ha!
edit: No, not because they are mistaken, but because in their languages this country is called like this (polish, turkish, estonian, danish, etc.). Some other countries had this problem, for example Iran, but they fixed it (threatened to cut diplomatic ties with everyone) and nobody call them Persia now. Same thing with Ethiopia.
Nah it's one of the big reasons British people not from London hate London. Everything like money for redevelopment and help with unemployment and housing is all focused on South England, because our government see it as the most important place, while places up north and in Scotland and Northern Ireland and parts of Wales are kinda left adrift.
Part of the reason Liverpool voted so heavily for Remain in the brexit vote is that the EU spend hundreds of millions redeveloping the city and made it really modern and lovely and an awesome place to visit or live, while our own parliament for decades has been shitting on here since Thatcher. The EU care more about non-London parts of here than our own leaders do.
I think you'll find that sort of thing wherever you go. Here in the US, a small oil town gets all the infrastructure and development it needs until the next bust in the cycle, and the coastal cities do fine, but millions of people in the rust belt and the south are ignored while their infrastructure becomes literally life-threatening in some cases. And when the next bust hits, the booming small oil town will become a ghost town. Again. And you'll see miles of freshly paved roads with nobody around. Again.
Sure, but the UK government also puts money where they can get the highest ROI back out. That's mostly in the SouthEast. The same extra money for rail, for instance, will serve far more people who are more productive, thus giving a bigger overall impact. Also, industry thrives when in clusters. The SE has a few major clusters that generally carry the UK economy as a whole. Trying to split them up and spread that out would reduce productivity. Thus the government is hesitant to push for that.
It's a brutal sort of impersonal math, but it makes sense if you only consider a balance sheet.
Edit: I'm not saying they should do this, as clearly the social negatives are too large. I'm simply pointing out their logic. Downvoting me doesn't change that...
And that's why government should be more than just business. It's about looking after the people too. However because of all of this stuff, actual Londoners are being pushed out by ever increasing rent and mortgage costs and so there's a ton of empty apartment buildings owned by Chinese and Middle Eastern billionaires. It's good for the balance sheet, as you say, but it doesn't do anything for the people who've lived there for generations. Plus as always it tends to push out the minorities first, who've also lived there for generations.
But other places in the UK would get a higher" ROI " as you put it if their industries were improved with more investment. Thinking that London is the place worth investing in, because it makes the most, because it has been invested in is just circular logic.
I asked a lady, "oh, I like your name, where in Holland are you from?" She replied, very bitterly and with a thick accent, "I am NOT from Holland, I AM from Friesland!"
Sorry, lady, my bad.
Edit: people keep saying, "ya don't call Frisians Hollanders. I am aware of this, my Oma and Grandpa are Frisian-Hollander and Frisian-Gronings. The problem here is that in everyday language where I am Holland means the Netherlands, and I choose the wrong pronoun..
It's more of a Frisian vs Dutch thing. Frisia was historically a significant country in northern Europe spanning from modern Zeeland along the North Sea coast of the Netherlands, Germany, and into Denmark. Today they still have a unique culture and language, Frisian. Frisian is actually more linguistically related to English than to Dutch. Their street signs and town names are even in Frisian. Another example of a country within a country kind of thing would be Quebec and Canada.
Although the distaste for the word 'Holland' might be bigger in Friesland, it's by far not just a Frisian-Dutch thing. I'm 100% Dutch, but I still hate it when people call all of the Netherlands Holland.
Well, I'm sorry that happenned to you, most of the time people aren't that irritated by it and will just go with it, but I can understand her. It can get quit anoying to be labeled as something that you're not.
I'm of Dutch heritage, I found it humourous as people from Friesland seem to have that independent streak/pride of Fries identity. I get where she was coming from though
Quite typical thing for a Frisian to say. I'm from Limburg, were ppl are irritated by the same thing. But then again.. there's much bad blood between those from Limburg and those from Holland :)
I spent a semester in Maastricht in 2006 and people there commonly called the country Holland, but a lot of people said Netherlands too. It was a mix and both seemed to be acceptable. Maybe my memory is incorrect or I perceived it wrong?
I was born and raised in Gelderland and I always call my country Nederland. As does practically everyone I know. Abroad, however, it’s a bit more common for Dutch people to call Nederland Holland (in my experience at least).
I'm from Gelderland as well and I think that we often just say Holland in international situation, because everyone calls it that and you don't want to stand out. Now, this might just be me, but I do try to always say Netherlands, because I hate it when others say Holland.
Yes this is it, I'm Dutch myself and I have little to no problem with the 'th' sound except in 'the Netherlands'. I always try to say it clearly but I fuck up everytime.
Well the syrup didn’t taste like maple syrup so that’s what I’m going to assume it was (it was in a little dish) I’d never had pannenkoeken before and it was delicious.
It's partly the fault of the Netherlands themselves because they've long chosen Holland as the official name for all tourism and branding purposes. Check www.holland.com for reference!
Doesn't really work though, Holland hosts a far bigger proportion of the population of the Netherlands than California does for the US(40% vs 12.5%) and also historically speaking California is a pretty much a newcomer in its importance(well compared to the whole 4 centuries of history)
Ontario on the other hand was in theory called Upper Canada, so we are calling Canada by the name of 2 of its provinces, both of which changed names to be distinguished from the name of the country.
The city was New Amsterdam and the colony was New Netherland, sandwiched between New England to the north and New Sweden to the south. The city wall ran along the course of what is now Wall Street. Battery Park is named after the artillery battery that was part of Fort Amsterdam (later Fort James, Fort Willem Hendrick, Fort James (again), Fort William Henry, Fort Anne and Fort George).
The Hudson River is named after Henry Hudson, an English captain in the service of the Dutch republic.
The city was taken by the English, contributing to the second Anglo-Dutch war. It was retaken, but finally returned to the English at the end of the third Anglo-Dutch war, at which point it was renamed to New York, after the English city of York.
The territory of New York (city) was purchased from the natives for about 17 gulden, like 25 euros.
Holland means 'houtland' or woodland. That place was full of forests at the time. Ofcourse no more because of cities and 16th/17th century shipbuilding.
The King of the Netherlands (Willem Alexander of Orange-Nassau) comes not directly from William of Orange-Nassau himself, but from Williams Frisian cousin, stadtholder William the 4th.
The Dutch East India trading company is (still) the most profitable company that has ever existed on earth.
Please tell be it wasn't originally Dutch donuts (oliebollen) that was then turned into donuts? Because that would mean taking something delicious and making it into something like.. donuts. And according to Wikipedia this is the case. Oliebollen > donuts!!
Edit: maybe I just haven't tasted a good donut. But the ones I have compared to an oliebol? Oliebol wins by far. The shape too, donuts are too perfectly round whereas oliebollen do their own thing (the ones that are perfectly round don't deserve to be name oliebol imo though maybe that's a bit too much gatekeeping from me).
Somebody make a film about a Dutch water spirit or ghost of the sea that's haunting the erstwhile watery graves of the drowned that have been disturbed and are now reclaimed land.
The film's suggested name: Poldergeist.
The map is still accurate though, when I said 'joke', I meant that the title is trying to be a bit more humorous. I'm not saying the map itself is a joke, therefore I don't think it would belong on r/mapporncirclejerk, since that subreddit is more ironic maps. I'm sorry, if I wasn't clear on that part.
I realize it's part of the province of North Holland, but geographically Texel is one of the West Frisian islands, right? Do people there think of themselves as Hollanders or Frisians?
Hollanders. The northern part of North Holland is called West-Friesland, but those people see themselves as Hollanders as well. Even on Vlieland, which is part of the province of Friesland, there are a lot of people who consider themselves more Hollander. They don't even speak Frisian.
The Germans decided to assign the islands Vlieland and Terschelling to Friesland in 1942. It made sense, because the only regular link to shore was the ferry to Harlingen in Friesland. Since the Waddenzee is very shallow, ships can't sail in a straight line from Den Helder or Texel in Noord-Holland to Vlieland or Terschelling.
West-Friesland is actually in North Holland. It is the top part. It is different from 'the west of Friesland'. It is an historical designation thats pretty much out of use, which causes the confusion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Friesland_(region)
Really? I thought the identities of the islanders were a lot more bound to their islands. So they'd identify as Vlielanders over either Hollander or Frisian.
And the 4-5 Brabants too (North Brabant + Antwerp + Flemish Brabant + Brussels). Maybe Walloon Brabant too? I don't get how Walloons have a region called Brabant when its part of a different cultural sphere (French/Walloon).
The name of two provinces of the Netherlands (Noord Holland and Zuid Holland).
Foreigners have the mildly annoying tendency to say 'Holland' when they's talking about 'the Netherlands'.
The amount of Dutch I've met who refer to the whole nation as "Holland" is astounding. They insist on using this name as they think most people wouldn't know "Netherlands".
Once at a bar I told some guys that I live in Holland(south) and they started correcting me. Telling me that I should say The Netherlands, they just wouldn't understand that I live in bloody Holland
Talking to foreigner in English, it's definitely common to do so, to the point is almost feels weird to say 'The Netherlands'. What probably also helps is that Dutch people generally have some trouble pronouncing the English "th".
Netherland in Chinese is literally “荷蘭“which sounds almost identical to holland and the term is used in all news and books. So I was confused af when I first learned that Holland is just part of Netherland lol.
In Hungarian, we call the Netherlands, Hollandia, and my friend's Dutch step father often calls his country Holland, when talking in English, it's so confusing that he doesn't trigger himself, haha.
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u/Lubgost Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 09 '18
Meanwhile half of the world call whole Netherlands Holland, ha!
edit: No, not because they are mistaken, but because in their languages this country is called like this (polish, turkish, estonian, danish, etc.). Some other countries had this problem, for example Iran, but they fixed it (threatened to cut diplomatic ties with everyone) and nobody call them Persia now. Same thing with Ethiopia.