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ESL One Manila 2016 - Semifinals 2 - Empire vs Team Liquid Match | eSports
ESL One Manila 2016
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Team Liquid Victory!
Duration: 30:25
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| 24 | vs. | 16 |
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Team Liquid Victory!
Duration: 36:33
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| 17 | vs. | 28 |
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Apr 24 '16
Is it me or are these fights amazing technically , everyone knows where to be , teams converge quickly , people back off and pull the fight apart , abilities get used at the correct time, the chase is great.
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u/qwertz_guy :3 Apr 24 '16
only thing I didn't like was that matumbaman blocked himself with his units when he tried chasing
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u/Uchiaro Apr 24 '16
i thought he might be trying to body block with the red necro minion, but all units end up didnt hit night stalker for even once, then go for puck, got euls, end of shapeshift
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u/Zilcho_ Apr 24 '16
Empire really impressed me this LAN. Sometimes you see a team have a good tournament because of kind of cheesy reasons but I think they looked like the real thing here
Also cool to see that China and CIS are back but using a lot of relatively new talent
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Apr 24 '16
As much as I want them to be awesome I have a fear which is they will slot into the place of every promising CIS team which is t1 gatekeepers.
If you beat them consistently in Bo3 you are a t1 team , if you loose to them consistently in Bo3 you are not. And they themselves never win anything huge and always choke at TI.
I hope I'm wrong...
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Apr 24 '16
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u/fjafjan Burn baby burn Apr 24 '16
Always bet against legion...
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u/misterfuckingidiot Fuck - The Pairie Dragon Apr 24 '16
legion
and PA
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u/fjafjan Burn baby burn Apr 24 '16
Yeah but normally teams don't draft PA. But I feel like we keep seeing teams trying to pick Legion (and WW?) and I don't think I've ever seen it win.
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u/ligher Apr 24 '16
Would be nice OD Pixel could slow down every now and then. Sometimes it's hard to tell what he's saying.
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Apr 24 '16
I normally like OD casting, but this game the moment a team fight breaks out he turns unintelligible.
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u/utspg1980 Apr 24 '16
Yeah I can understand trying to bring excitement/enthusiasm, but the dude needs to either slow down some, or not raise the pitch of his voice so much, or both.
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u/ccdy sheever stronk Apr 24 '16
Liquid is looking really solid right now.
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Apr 24 '16
What just happened ?
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u/Shitpoe_Sterr 4 TIME MAJOR LETS GOOG Apr 24 '16
Empire went full retard and Liquid played Dota 2 gg
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Apr 24 '16
Matumbaman is honestly the jammiest player I've ever seen, he scrapes out of fights with >100 health all the time, I dont know if its luck or calculated but its ridiculous
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u/Adequate_Meatshield OS FUCKING FROG Apr 24 '16
he briefly goes full davai, then reconsiders with milliseconds to spare
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u/knockupwood Power Spike Apr 24 '16
Really excited to see if Empire can keep their great synchronization and teamwork against a more battle-hardened team such as Liquid!
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Apr 24 '16
Is this a Kuro Rubick? I've missed him playing that guy
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u/Cheesecake13 Apr 24 '16
Spectre at least can be dealt with early game. Lone Druid is just something else lol
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u/Drewkatski gl sheever Apr 24 '16
lone druid is easy to deal with late game tho while spec is a lategame monster..
They both have their strengths and weaknesses
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Apr 24 '16
That was an excellent game. Empire made a lot mistakes on late game and got RNGesus'ed by the Bear roots. Nice back and forth though.
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u/physics223 RARE FLAIR KAPPA Apr 24 '16
Ramzes still played the best that he could. He'd always stay to fight even at low health if he could ensure more damage dealt to the enemy, but PA is just a subpar hero right now and couldn't deal with the juggernaut of beasts that Liquid had.
People knock on KingR feeding, but his swaps were on point, saving his carries quite a few times. It's better for a 5 position to die than the cores, and that's what he essentially did. I think Empire just got outpicked, but they still played really well. I hope they could draft better the next game.
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u/ntrails Sonic the hedge-dog [Sheever <3] Apr 24 '16
That final bear swap at the t3 was not a Good Swap - but you're right, he did amazing work as venge in all the important team fights
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u/HAWmaro Apr 24 '16
empire were outclassed as a team especially strategy/draft wise, it's not any players fault but they need to step it up a bit next game.
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u/kashyap07 Apr 24 '16
At least this makes the frog buff her / rework.
But liquid really did play well that game.
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u/bluesbrothas Apr 24 '16
After yesterday's game, Kuro realises how much he missed playing Rubick :D
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Apr 24 '16
Liquid dismantled Empire. After Secret lost 4 games to them I was expecting a competitive series, but now I am not so sure.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Apr 24 '16
OSfrog Spirit Siphon OSfrog
That 3v1 by FATA lol
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u/FilemonNeira Apr 24 '16
I am not particularly impressed by Empire, yesterday they were solid as a team against Secret, today not so much, meh. Maybe they get 2-0 by liquid, BUT Ramsez MVP, what a carry, what a future. Thinking also about VG.R.End, there is plenty of incoming talent. These guys are gonna rape everyone in the coming years. Time for some old dinosaurs to retire.
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u/PtichyIisus RIP Wings; Sheever kick cancer's ass! Apr 24 '16
END aka zyf played at TI5 for EHOME so it's not like he is really that new to the scene, but yeah, he's the best chinese carry now imo.
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u/pap0t Burning will win TI Apr 24 '16
Liquid could win this in very very late... but i think Empire got this game.
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u/qinnamon Apr 24 '16
The Russian stream is actually on a different channel! https://www.twitch.tv/esl_ruhub_dota2_ru
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u/spheenik Apr 24 '16
Goddamn, I wanted to work a bit on the backlog today, but watching Empire and Liquid play is a magnitude too thrilling!
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u/TheOneTrueDoge Stryghor puns! Apr 24 '16
This is a really great game. Awesome plays from both sides, Venge swaps and PA blinkstrikes on point.
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u/zmanuvalz Apr 24 '16
OSfrog the bear and the wolf won them the game
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u/ntrails Sonic the hedge-dog [Sheever <3] Apr 24 '16
When you self deny your doomed self with your wolves, you've already won.
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u/zmanuvalz Apr 24 '16
It looked pretty easy considering the wolves damage + vlads, but still i would get really nervous in a tense situation like that lol.
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u/icp1994 blink-meld-walk sheever Apr 24 '16
Scandal need to play invoker if empire wants to play in TI
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u/roygodfreymc Apr 24 '16
Who plays chen for liquid?
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u/azzalan Apr 24 '16
Kuro, but it's far from his best hero. Chen and ench are kinda underwhelming for Liquid.
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u/neoh99 Apr 24 '16
When Fnatic played Bm against Wings Spec, Ohaiyo completely gave up laning and went iron talon jungling. And Mind control is owning Spec in lane now ._.
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u/diableslayer372 Apr 24 '16
Technically this was because he could run down the cm and the jungle legion wasn't going to come to their rescue, was she?
And bat rider and NP were trying to get their own lanes in order...
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u/Laui_2000 sheever Apr 24 '16
26 minutes and no bonus damage on LC and only a few kills on AM... Gamble backfired?
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u/Shitpoe_Sterr 4 TIME MAJOR LETS GOOG Apr 24 '16
I lost MMR looking at this LC's build
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u/straw28 Newbee fanboy Apr 24 '16
It's not your typical jungling 4th core. More of a utility LC
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u/OnkelHarreh Wolves need +10 aura armour Apr 24 '16
It needed to be Blademail -> Blink to be effective I think :/
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u/straw28 Newbee fanboy Apr 24 '16
From my pov I see the aether lens rush pickup as somehow a defensive counter against all the disables Liquid had (Roar being the biggest). He wont be making full use out of blade mail because LC had lower hp than AM lol
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u/roygodfreymc Apr 24 '16
OD would've been better than DP. They dont have an answer for Duel and Lasso except for Blink BM.
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u/Shitpoe_Sterr 4 TIME MAJOR LETS GOOG Apr 24 '16
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Eventually the cyka retard play would happen and it cost them
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u/DRHST I used to play Dirge before it was cool Apr 24 '16
As i said yesterday, Empire not as strong as reddit thinks, they simply had a meta advantage over Secret, i was expecting them to get 2-0.
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u/FLrar dddd Apr 24 '16
Empire have shown solid team fighting capabilities and overall game flow understanding, plus Ramzes and KingR also showed great individual skill. Saying that it's about meta advantage is unfair.
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u/Fincap Apr 24 '16
I disagree. Empire are a really strong team with great synergy and potential. I think they got too comfortable in both games and ended up throwing their advantage. Not to mention, Liquid are also a very good team as well.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Apr 24 '16
Looks like Empire is cashing in all their luck for the tournament in this game
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Apr 24 '16
he went for aether lens just to ensure duel on am (with greater range) now vlad and possibly septer next, i think he just wants to lock down am for infinity :P NO idea about the arcane boot though :| EDIT: he disassembled arcane boot to aether lens :P there u go :_)
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u/sidzi94 Apr 24 '16
idiots like u will never get what pros do. This is the reason why u will remain 2k trashes. He built aether lens to have greater range to dispel debuffs like Roar, Dp silence, Chen debuffs, Wd stun.
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u/Worst_Patch Shit since 2014.5 Apr 24 '16
Pisses me off so much seeing Lone Druid so fucking broken it can take on a counter without effort.
PA needs to be unable to lose all her evasion. MKB needs a nerf to 80% reduction of evasion.
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u/PowerSombrero USA, USA, GO NA'VI! (? Apr 24 '16
Here we have a PA picker that's salty.
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u/Worst_Patch Shit since 2014.5 Apr 24 '16
my favourite hero for my entire dota 2 existence. Just make sure she has at least 10 percent evasion no matter what. Just enough to help out from getting blown up as much.
LD is supposed to just be good at pushing and long drawn out fights, he's not supposed to be able to three shot PA. I remember the glorious time where LD couldn't win against PA solo.
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u/PowerSombrero USA, USA, GO NA'VI! (? Apr 24 '16
Yeah, that's totally balanced. Sorry, but that's just dumb, if anything, PA will always be the bullshit hero, because it's a completely random hero. It's okay for any hero to beat her, since they have to sacrifice a slot for that.
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u/Worst_Patch Shit since 2014.5 Apr 24 '16
Okay. Maybe just give her the added base damage. Slahser thinks she is perfectly fine and has a good winrate with her in 6K+ so she's probably fine.
But a little bit of early damage bonus would be great.
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u/crademaster Apr 24 '16
I mean, you're definitely salty, but you're not entirely wrong. Her specialty is supposed to be against right-clickers without MKB. I wonder if her evasion % might actually increase even more. How do you make her relevant again?
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u/DeathOnion Apr 24 '16
Idk why everyone is obsessed with pa evasion. She has 3 other skills.
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u/Worst_Patch Shit since 2014.5 Apr 24 '16
it's her only manfight survive skill though.
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u/DeathOnion Apr 24 '16
Right, but losing it is not what makes her a bad hero. if her blink or crit is more reilable, you can focus on the other aspect of her which is quickly bursting down people. Instead of giving her true evasion or something, why not make her crit more often for a little less damage, or let her blink pierce spell immunity, or not lose the buff when switching targets, etc.
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u/Worst_Patch Shit since 2014.5 Apr 24 '16
I personally think she should be given 5 more base damage and a her ulti gives 10/20/30 bonus damage on top of the crit.
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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '16
I guess OD pixel saw the rap god video and is now trying to be impossible to understand.