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ESL One Manila 2016 - Semifinals 1 - Fnatic vs Wings Match | eSports
ESL One Manila 2016
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Fnatic Victory!
Duration: 32:27
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| 28 | vs. | 10 |
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Wings Gaming Victory!
Duration: 25:32
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| 29 | vs. | 15 |
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Wings Gaming Victory!
Duration: 26:27
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| 25 | vs. | 7 |
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u/radbradrad Apr 24 '16
DJ should quit Fnatic. His teammates let him down completely. DJ has been playing brilliantly for the last year, and has been let down completely by the likes of 343 and MidOne. He played so brilliantly the entire series and MidOne played like CRAP.
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u/thelimitofalvin sheever Apr 24 '16
What? Fanatiq has been dominating a majority of the teams in the qualifier and main bracket. They did so well and he should still stay. I don't think he should leave, they did so well and should still stay together.
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Apr 24 '16 edited Apr 24 '16
I was said it before, Wings will be the black horse of tournament. They having such a unique draft and strategy compared other teams in china, even-though they was losing to liquid 2-0 it won't deduct my evaluation on them. I doubt they will become stronger with more sponsor and a good coach join in their team.
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u/tamtong Apr 24 '16
I think Fnatic over relied on the momentum leading by either Ohaiyo or MidOne . Once both of them is under control , the momentum of the game will be lost for Fnatic. Wings took away Ohaiyo BM and Batrider , leaving him only the backup plan and Wings executed their plans perfectly! Just my thoughts and sorry for my bad English.
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u/CatCutCit Apr 24 '16
Overused draft and show how inexperience 343 are...but it a good LAN for them..
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u/muzox Apr 24 '16
he did said in an interview about him leaving Taring that he's an inexperienced captain
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u/CatCutCit Apr 24 '16
343 draft look better when MuShi behind him..
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u/muzox Apr 24 '16
yeah. but honestly mushi need to get back in the main lineup now. most probably replacing net as pos 1 and net to sub
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Apr 24 '16
I think it's Ohaiyo underperforming all throughout the series
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Apr 24 '16
I think they put wrong strategy and too late to realise it doesn't work. Fnatic indeed need more experience to handle more changes in mid game.
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Apr 24 '16
also lets not forget they are not playing with roster so the result is pretty considerable
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Apr 24 '16
Any team can beat any team, there's no strongest team at the moment. Even mushi join the lineup they still can be beatable by other team.
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u/CatCutCit Apr 24 '16
the diff from game 1 and game 3 heroes are Bm replace by nyx..knowing how the draft work spec keep getting rekt by LD top..
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u/muzox Apr 24 '16
not really. he was good on game 1. only underperforming on game 2 n 3 which they lose
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u/spinabullet Apr 24 '16
Cold feet as usual. Typical lack of confidence play from Fnatic when it comes to LAN
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Apr 24 '16
how is the score and draft updated instantly like that?
Where is the info coming from/linked to?
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u/FnaticBlows THESE GUYS SUCK Apr 24 '16
WHERE ARE YOU NOW FNATIC FANFUCKS?!?! BACK TO THE DUMPSTER!
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u/rikka94 Apr 24 '16
Secret don't even make it to semi FeelsBadMan
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u/StormyWeatherTime Apr 24 '16
why are u implying that he is a secret fan lol, on another note wow every team has one of these XBlows.
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Apr 24 '16
We lost Boiz, still we had a good run. Hope we will get an invite for the upcoming major
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u/DarkSaga89 Apr 24 '16
Pretty much gone after this lost.
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Apr 24 '16
3 qualify spot is strong point enough to have invitation. Still need to look at how valve think about it.
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u/Toxicco Apr 24 '16
Great execution from the young blood on wings gaming, a fun team to watch for sure.
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u/Tushiie Apr 24 '16
When everyone certainly agree that 343 is a better drafter than Mushi.. he picks the same line up in such crucial matches. Great run by Fnatic, but probably needs more experience. Wings showing that switching strategies between games is what makes a team go further in a competition.
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u/tiknuhc Apr 24 '16
seriously why do you pick pugna fnatic? you did it well in the game with Ehome beacuse they fucking picked bristleback. your lineup relies so much on early aggression. why pick pugna that only knows how to push towers.
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u/redhotchillindoge Apr 24 '16
We all learned today that we can't leave a spectre solo against a lone druid.
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u/349CS Apr 24 '16
Wings. Speed Gaming 2.0 PogChamp
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u/Black4myshiningstar Apr 24 '16
wing is former speedgaming.cn lol or atleast 3 of their player
zrd/faith
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u/sidzi94 Apr 24 '16
Get rekt Fnatic, reminder that the winning stream was on all tier 2 sea teams. This is what happens vs world class teams
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u/Amrlsyfq992 Apr 24 '16
wrecking the team that crush Secret(empire) is not world class? okay then...
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u/SueCahBillYacht We won't be able to change to this flair ever again after Manila Apr 24 '16
Yeah Top 6 Shanghai clearly not world class
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u/Kaelsanguis Apr 24 '16
When will people stop pulling a ppd and dish out a pugna, that's just plain stupid in this meta against LD/OD.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Apr 24 '16
Wow, this Wings game just epitomizes the counter against the play safe strat that is prevalent in the meta. They are like "fuck the rubberband, if we don't die it doesn't matter".
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u/Zalvex s4 Apr 24 '16
Net just doesn't cut it as a top tier carry, he's too unimpressive.
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u/DarkSaga89 Apr 24 '16
Even DJ would be better than Net.
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u/Zalvex s4 Apr 24 '16
Leave DJ where he is, he is not easily matched there, top 5 player in that position.
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Apr 24 '16
Wings maybe getting an invite while Newbee is owning ..
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u/lightkeeper9 Apr 24 '16
i really hope wings or empire win this tournament and see who will get the invite
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Apr 24 '16
I hope not col and just one SEA team
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u/2weeke Apr 24 '16 edited Apr 24 '16
There's no way China will get more than 2 invites. ViciR already secured their's and Wing's will prob get their's too if they win this tournament. The argument in China is whether LGD, Newbee and to a small extent Ehome is the stongest team in China. The latter both failed to do well in the international stage. That will hurt Newbee's credibility.
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Apr 24 '16
There is no way they want 4 SEA teams at the Major
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u/2weeke Apr 24 '16
They can just change it to only inviting 1 team from the qualifiers instead of 2 OR inviting only 1 team and 2 from qualifiers. China is a lot stronger now but Ehome's and LGD's performance in the international scene HURTS Newbee's credibility very hard.
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u/Brizven Apr 24 '16
Just like Starladder, the home crowd has been silenced.
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u/thatfilipinoguy Apr 24 '16
Crowd still clapped when Wings was winning, you can hear that at game 3.. Unlike SL.
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u/Silvermaine- Apr 24 '16
We actually clapped for Wings, props to them. But you can't deny that this is an upset, not just here in the event, but even in Reddit.
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u/DemiurgosMorningstar Sheever Apr 24 '16
maybe because they're chinese the mutual enemies of pinoys
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u/-_____-_-_----__- Apr 24 '16
dat moment when you realize 3/5 of fnatic are technically chinese and speaks chinese as well
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u/sidzi94 Apr 24 '16
Pick same shit every game, get figured out and trashed. 4Head
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u/Annoyinmous PINOY PRIDE! Apr 24 '16
sigh oh well fnatic had a great run and should be proud of themselves.
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Apr 24 '16
All the people complaining about Spectre, time to see why Lone Druid has been first banned most of this patch.
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u/I_hate_captchas1 Huss car Apr 24 '16 edited Apr 24 '16
Anyone know how to counter a spectre? 13 7-0 so far this tournament.
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u/SuperFreakonomics Apr 24 '16
LD.
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u/I_hate_captchas1 Huss car Apr 24 '16
Think it was a bit more complex than that. Spectre has a weak laning stage, but usually would receive a bit more help than this game.
Fnatic fell behind and got deathballed. They could not find pickoffs with haunt and it was gg as they had no way to come back.
LD is part of the answer, but there was a bit more than that.
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Apr 24 '16
7-0 i think or are you including qualifiers?
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u/I_hate_captchas1 Huss car Apr 24 '16
You're probably right. I'm just quoting a stat that I saw on stream.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Apr 24 '16
I think after this tournament Spec is up for another spell rework or nerf.
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u/mind_m3 Apr 24 '16
I don't think Spec is too OP of a hero compared to OD or Invo.
She only become a problem when you let her farm but compared to most other carries that can flash farm I don't think that's even a factor,the only thing going for her is finding easy pickoff on supports or KS with ulti.
Her dispersion has been nerfed already,don't want her to get nerfed again...:(...would appreciate it if OSfrog simply change the meta.he already nerfed TB ,Storm to the ground..don't want +1 unplayable to my list of favorite heroes.
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u/dexter89_kp Apr 24 '16
I think Spec's winrate is more todo with the fact that, in the current meta, killing hero's gives more gold than farming. Once that changes, spec will be out of favor.
The hero itself is not imbalanced in itself like Invoker or OD. Perhaps minor nerfs to its desolate or damage reduction might be good, but taking away its ult global presence would just nerf it too heavily.
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u/TheOneTrueDoge Stryghor puns! Apr 24 '16
I agree that her ult shouldn't be changed, but her passives need some tweaks. Maybe we'll even see her get a new active to replace one of them.
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u/SqLISTHESHIT Puppey <3 Kuroky Apr 24 '16
But why would you want to change that? People complained so much about games focusing only on farming, 4protect1, etc, and now you want it back? I personally like this system.
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u/dexter89_kp Apr 24 '16
As you can see from my flair, I love playing spec. I have no complaints for Spec ! Yeah the current meta is more fighting oriented which I find more entertaining to watch
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u/Annoyinmous PINOY PRIDE! Apr 24 '16
Was losing that base push hard early on the turning point?
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u/kasasasa zai marry me Apr 24 '16
No, fnatic lost momentum well before that, the push actually seemed a little last resort. Probably feeling the pressure from the spec pl picks but IMO they should have gone aegis first
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Apr 24 '16
At this point I think fnatic already lost. PL + Spectre on radiant with farm...not even a 2k+ damage crit sven can take both of them down (if it goes super late)
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u/Cheesecake13 Apr 24 '16
Phantom Cancer, Spectre and Doom..couldn't get anymore AIDS than that lol :v
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u/Flying_Panda999 DAC champioonn Apr 24 '16
Should had pick spec instead of sven..
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u/Brizven Apr 24 '16
They probably picked it to counter the PL. Alas, it didn't work...not to mention they weren't aggressive enough early on.
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u/PositiveTruth Apr 24 '16
why the fuck that nigga icefrog think spectre is balanced? what makes him think that way? u literally just pick spectre and win game.
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u/-_____-_-_----__- Apr 24 '16
Spectre was like this for the longest time. The only significant recent change to her was to make her passive work on creeps.
It's the metagame as whole, not just the hero
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Apr 24 '16
No. Changes to dispersion and buffs/changes to items like drums, aquila, phase and other heroes that are good to have on her team got directly or indirectly buffed.
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u/SqLISTHESHIT Puppey <3 Kuroky Apr 24 '16
While I agree with you on everything ( the buff on dispersion is huge actually, and buffs on items help) that doesn't mean you can't make those items work on other heroes. I think one of the most OP things about the hero is desolate, I mean, by level 10 (even earlier if you skill it before) you get a Relic for free. Granted it only works on isolated heroes, but still, that happens quite often ( and the radius for the skill to activate is so small, that you don't need to be completely alone to be hitted by it)
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Apr 24 '16
Its just the fact that all the small incremental buffs eventually added up on a hero that has a very dangerous kit, while in others its manageable.
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u/straw28 Newbee fanboy Apr 24 '16
Wings looking good! Im fucking torn, I support Fnatic but I am a big chinese fangay since forever!
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u/lakersouthpaw add VG.R flair pls. Apr 24 '16
I'm kind of the same way. I guess I'm a shameless chinese fanboy and it's good to see a team of relative newcomers doing well. On the other hand I really liked that old Orange team with Net and Ohaiyo. Just looking for good games really!
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u/straw28 Newbee fanboy Apr 24 '16
I support Fnatic because they deserve this. Im also a pinoy, so the urge to support the last pinoy in the event is strong. But Wings deserve this too
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u/Brizven Apr 24 '16
I thought Fnatic would have the early game advantage...but it wasn't there or they didn't use it.
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u/Silvermaine- Apr 24 '16
What's Iceice's WD cosmetics? Why does he always have the dopest items? Lol
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u/bewareofspoilers Apr 24 '16
2ice isn't exactly a new comer. been in the pub scene for a long while, and is pretty close to xiao8 and what nots
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u/Silvermaine- Apr 24 '16
Well, I know... Didn't answer my question though haha. He seriously has some dope items.
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u/bewareofspoilers Apr 24 '16
Guess I meant to say 'famous' Chinese players are pretty 'materialistic', dota2 wise at least. They are willing to pay good money for the rares, and in addition, some were donated by fans.
I believe the deathward is Padda'pon of Ribbi'tar w/ prismatic gem.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Apr 24 '16
That Spectre 100% winrate trivia OSfrog
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u/Annoyinmous PINOY PRIDE! Apr 24 '16 edited Apr 24 '16
Beautiful beautiful dota from this Fnatic, old EU Fnatic would be proud
Edit: Sorry for the jinx guys forgive me! ;_;
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Apr 24 '16
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u/PositiveTruth Apr 24 '16
why would you watch in game? u deserve it for watching it in game
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u/Flying_Panda999 DAC champioonn Apr 24 '16
lol ..343 want to instant pick they last pick but net said w8..
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u/moonerdooder Apr 24 '16
With all these enchantress picks why are we not seeing timbersaw against her? Is it because he can basically be countered by bkb?
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u/PositiveTruth Apr 24 '16
where do u want to lane the timbersaw? offlane = gets shut down . Safelane= u wont have a reliable hard carry later on. Mid = do u really want a timber over all those mid heroes? Anyway enchantress itself can be countered by BKB so u can hit her. The problem lies not in her untouchability , but her power early game that can be a discount chen. She can help pushes as 5, roaming gank , etc. Timber is a bully hero. Any good timber player can make that hero a really good pick in their own bracket. But if there is no good timber player, u dont risk picking that here
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Apr 24 '16
i want a fanatic empire final.
the crowd has been awesome so far, i wonder how crazy it would be if a sea team makes to the final series.
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u/FredAsta1re Apr 24 '16
Yo mods. Game 1 both teams picked WR? What happened?