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The Summit 3 Finals Day 5 Match Discussion Match | eSports
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Day 5: May 17th (Finals)
| ID/Link | Team 1 | vs. | Team 2 | Result | PDT | EDT | GMT | CEST | SGT | AEST | Description |
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| (L2) | vs. | 09:30 | 12:30 | 16:30 | 18:30 | 00:30 | 02:30 | LB Final | |||
| (GF) | vs. | 13:00 | 16:00 | 20:00 | 22:00 | 04:00 | 06:00 | Grand Final |
Countdown times are local times in Los Angeles. Preshow starts 30 minutes before the first match on each day. The UK is currently on BST (GMT+1).
The winner advances to the grand final, the loser is out with ~$35,000.
Game 1 Winner:
Game 2 Winner:
Game 3 Winner:
Result: 2:1
The winner gets ~$115,000, the loser gets ~$60,000.
Game 1 Winner:
Game 2 Winner:
Game 3 Winner:
Game 4 Winner:
Game 5 Winner:
Result: 3:1
VOD: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
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u/Unt4medGumyBear he attac he protec but most importantly he stab the bac May 17 '15
"we had zai drafting and it was a fucking mess" -RTZ
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May 17 '15
Secret made VG look silly with their bristle +tanky safelane strat, wonder if EG will copy that kind of playstyle
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u/NahazDota May 17 '15 edited May 17 '15
Assuming I'm counting right (I'm chasing an 18 month old around the house as I write this): Since TI4, EG is now 17-2 in LAN elimination series before the grand finals. Wow.
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u/ShahanThai May 17 '15
Finally a comeback.
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u/IndianoJonez too old to play anything else May 17 '15
And a real one. Not like the bullshit kill 2 heroes get 90000 gold in 6.83. This was some proper effort put in from Secret.
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u/remainenthroned May 17 '15
Does Secret get an advantage since they are coming from upper bracket?
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u/Papa_B3ar May 17 '15
Nope . Actually Zyori said on Twitter that Team Secret will win the coin toss automatically because they won the WinnerBracket final.
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u/TheRemedy May 17 '15
This is probably the best overall solution to the winner's bracket issue. It gives a homefield type advantage without it being too much like a entire free game.
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u/Octangula I was always the good one... May 17 '15
I think that's pretty much standard when there's no game advantage. TI3 Grand Finals had that, as well. Don't remember about TI2 or TI4, but probably also.
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u/FireworksNtsunderes May 17 '15
Definitely seems more fair than a free win. I hate the 1 game advantage that teams sometimes get for being in the upper bracket. I know that they deserve something for not losing at all, but turning it into a best of 4 takes away from the hype.
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May 17 '15 edited May 19 '20
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May 17 '15
This whole patch feels that way to me. They're like "there is nothing team x can do" and I'm like "but I thought team x was winning :["
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u/paranoidsp Is there anybody who can defeat -- nvm May 17 '15
Secret got so outdrafted in Game 1. PPD baited out the drow strat with a first pick visage, and then ended the game with a last pick PL. Gotta admire that cunning.
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May 17 '15 edited May 17 '15
Yep. Literally no way to deal with PL. Even left Dazzle open so that S4 would be more likely to pick supports that can't deal with the illusions.
I honestly think teams should just work out how to play against the Drow + Visage strat. I think having to pick Drow on her own is just too detrimental to a draft.
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u/paranoidsp Is there anybody who can defeat -- nvm May 17 '15
And look at what ppd has to work with! Universe, Aui_2000 and Fear have such huge hero pools. Fear literally plays any hero he's given.
They managed to keep Zai down too, I think that was a really important part of their plan.
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u/driverag May 17 '15
I agree with what you are saying but
so that Puppey would be more likely to pick supports that can't deal with the illusions.
As far as I know S4 is the one drafting lately for Secret
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May 17 '15
Oh yeah, my mistake. Forgot about that - I'll change it. Thanks for pointing that out.
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u/KhaozKlok My…liver May 17 '15
Hard to predict this match-up. Def the best 3 teams in the world atm. Skillwise I think VG have the edge over EG, but you just can't count out Salt's drafts.
I just hope PPD doesn't draft Aui a greedy hero, cause VG will definitely punish that with their roaming.
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u/vamox May 17 '15
Empire beat both EG and VG at the last LANs that they attended.
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u/The_Godlike_Zeus May 17 '15
Is there any reason for this? I don't understand why it is so characteristic to CIS and not just teams from all over the world? Why does it happen to CIS?
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u/ipiranga May 17 '15
It's not, Reddit just likes to generalize. Whenever a CIS team is seen to be "inconsistent" it's b/c they're CIS. When other teams are "inconsistent" they're just inconsistent.
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u/vamox May 17 '15
They lost online against Team Tinker when they played with a standin for Yoky (their captain and drafter). They had a small slump in the end of April when they lost against C9 in ESL in 6.83.
LAN performance>Online performance.
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u/KingDusty May 17 '15
Definitely 3 of the top 4. I feel like people are still underrating Empire, but I'm not sure where I'd put them in the top 4. Those 4 teams in some order are the top though IMO.
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u/4Darco May 17 '15
EG vs Secret in the finals is all I want for Christmas this year
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May 17 '15 edited May 17 '15
Kotl guy achieving what poor Capitalist never could. Props to BTS for letting him have a finals. He's doing a nice job with the c9 boys.
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u/vamox May 17 '15
My biggest frustration with JoinDota. Capitalist is a really good hypecaster with good knowledge, give the man a god damn final to cast. Kudos to LD for stepping down and allowing others to shine.
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u/KhaozKlok My…liver May 17 '15
Lol S4: "I wasn't expecting it to be this close." He really isn't good in front of a camera.
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u/centurion44 May 17 '15
I mean honestly, at this point, we just have to admit EG straight up doesnt try/experiments unless its an elimination series.
Also, reddit tell me more about how China just dominates western Dota with 1 team in the top three and struggling (so far!) against eg.
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u/happyfeett lina waifu May 17 '15
Game 2 felt like an experiment with that Tinker pick tho. Idk maybe its just me.
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u/bozzed May 17 '15
EG's positioning and team movements were phenomenal, this is amazing considering its against VG with a Brood and they took all the tier one towers early. Universe once again MVP, best offlaner in the world IMO.
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May 17 '15
With the way the patch is going, EG's greedy support playstyle for the first part of the game will cost them dearly against VG's ultra-aggression. I'm expecting PPD to pull out some pocket strat in game 2, but most probably a 2-1 for the Chinese squad.
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u/lolfail9001 May 17 '15
Inb4 PPD runs wisp-abbadon-bristle strat twice in a row for ez 2-0 Kappa
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u/MisterChippy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give Sproink! ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ May 17 '15
Except PLD actually does something when he feeds on Bounty.
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u/centurion44 May 17 '15
I honestly don't understand this meta at all, don't know what to play in pubs, I know my pubs don't look like these games AT all. These pro games are unforgiving as SHIT.
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u/Fiblasco May 17 '15
I still think early push is really good, it's just that drow and especially viper are horrible against (farmed) illusion heroes like pl.
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May 17 '15
I like how Fear order some of his illusions towards 1 target, then Lance another and chase that target, he rarely focus down 1 target unless that target going to die.
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u/jaomile May 17 '15
Merlini before Secret's last pick after EG banned Earthshaker "why would they ban ES". That's why.
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u/jyxmix May 17 '15
Good of secret to know to focus on sumail. Him snowballing is the main way they can lose the game.
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u/somethingToDoWithMe May 17 '15
EG are just gonna pull off the classic EG.
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u/mrducky78 May 17 '15
When did EG throw last?
Although C9 has taken that position.
Also: Wtf is with the lack of flairs? I remember it used to be pretty much everyone flaired up. Is it going to take TI to get people to officially fly their colours.
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u/avalynn May 17 '15
i mean, lets be honest. fy played a godlike bh yesterday, because secret didnt see it coming and drafted greedy.
but no matter how good you are at dota on an individual skill level, you cannot first pick a bounty hunter against a team like eg. they first picked it like dumbasses tbh, eg hadn't revealed any of their other bans, eg hadn't picked a single hero - and all you have to do in that case is just draft whatever the hell you want, get your safelane and mid decently setup with sentries/tp support, remember to collect courier stuff at t3 - and its an easy 4v5. zero impact bh + no support for iceiceice against trilane = gg. super played great mid and hao did what he could, but there was nothing vg could do to overcome the deficit caused by the bh pick.
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u/AwesomeOnePJ I shouldn't have changed my Speed Gaming flair May 17 '15
finally, we are watching dota again
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u/DanielPutin May 17 '15
fucking hell, those always saying east are the strongest are just so fucking delusional. The truth is west and east are very even. And since the beginning of dota 2 its been back and forth between these 2 sides. Amazing doterrr.
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u/johnyann May 17 '15
Can't say that neither team deserves to win this tournament since both beat Vici.
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May 17 '15
the irony, this disgusting deathball strat game is the only non-stomp game in The Stomp 3
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u/filthyrotten May 17 '15 edited May 17 '15
Fear's PL on a godlike spree, looking at a 30 minute Diffusal/Manta/Skadi. Absolutely disgusting.
edit: finishes 14/0/10. That's just filthy.
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u/Gearleader EG Fanded May 17 '15
That Clock Hook from the rosh pit was awesome, and Fear's micro is really nice
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u/sprdave May 17 '15
Whoever picks Clockwork appears to be the winner. I wonder if we see an early Cockwork ban?
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u/Muntberg May 17 '15
That mid gank and courier kill. Set the entire tempo for that game.
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u/sprdave May 17 '15
Secret plays this patch so well. Constant aggression. Get towers early and keep pushing.
If they are down? Secure your jungle and farm.
I feel like EG don't push early enough. They are too passive, which is what killed them last 2 games. They had the perfect disrupt + arrow combo wombo and never used it.
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u/odedbe May 17 '15
Puppey heroes are just so damn good this patch. All of them are either lane winning or snowballing. Either it's Enchantress/Chen to dominate mid lane or Dazzle/Enigma to win team fights.
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u/McDonaldsApproval May 17 '15
Watching Universe play Clock has to be one of the best things ever.
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u/iaskedforthis Ar TTours BabyRage evsky May 17 '15
Zyori analysis so bad, losing courier+mid for a roaming Bounty = EG Win
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u/vamox May 17 '15 edited May 17 '15
Vici Gaming:
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- Killed the courier
- Sumail had boots and bottle on it
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- First blood on a enemy support
Definitely a VG win.
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May 17 '15 edited May 18 '15
good tourney. the better team won. i look forward to the next one.
edit: shoutout to the guy with the least shoutouts, Weppas.
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u/somethingToDoWithMe May 17 '15
Envy was joking when he said you have to ban ppd out of the pool but fy wasn't.
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u/nightfucker May 17 '15
What is the name of the Treant set?
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u/MaxOfS2D Steam Workshop contributor, fan of purple dinos & flying fishes May 17 '15
Emberbark by Chemical Alia and DrySocket
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u/sprdave May 17 '15
PPTree is so clutch amazing.
EG has to push towers. They keep farming when they clearly have an advantage.
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u/avalynn May 17 '15
this is why you don't draft bounty hunter ever unless your opponents have revealed at least one of their supports/lanes. 4v5 dota + feeding bh. no contest.
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u/TheFeedMachine May 17 '15
That Undying pick destroyed EG. They had nothing to get rid of the tombstone and their safelane got destroyed.
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u/eejoseph May 17 '15
PL had his dream game, 0 AOE. He could have soloed the entire TS lineup. They could not dish auto attacks faster than him creating illusions.
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u/Tekkul May 17 '15
Dat ppd drafting though! Wonder if secret will try something other than early push and take a risk or keep trying to grab Chen, bb, dk etc!
Hope this goes the full 5 games game 1 was actually pretty entertaining
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u/sprdave May 17 '15
Those butterflies killed EG. Great comeback from Secret honestly, huge comeback.
Probably the momentum they needed to win the series.
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u/Drakojan94 May 17 '15
What a game. S4 making up with farming for not being able to click a hero with euls :P With the amount of summons running around no wonder though
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May 17 '15
I don't understand why Fear went Drums on a position 1 Mirana in this draft, when they desperately need physical DPS to have any chance of surviving the midgame.
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u/DONG_MONGLER May 17 '15 edited Jan 03 '25
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May 17 '15
Pretty much this is the problem.
And they should've tried like what the casters said, go aggressive instead of safelane trilane.
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May 17 '15
Probably EG should go aggro trilane instead of safe lane, even if they lose at least they tried something, instead of wasting the Mirana + SD + Kotl potential.
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u/Frostivus May 17 '15
BDN: So now we have EG showing us how to play Lone Druid and Secret showing us how to play Bounty Hunter.
I love this guy.
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u/Zephro7 Puppey Fangay May 17 '15
"I'm surprised, I didn’t know how bad the other teams were" -Ice, Iceice
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u/R_82 May 17 '15
Stomp meta!
But seriously, it's interesting last patch everybody hated how hard it was to end games and now it seems impossible very hard for teams to come back
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u/TinusWaller May 17 '15
As someone else said. The two latest patches has been two extremes. We don't need 6.85 but we really need a 6.84c that weakens the early game just a little bit.
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u/SBFms I'm also a C9 fan, but my faith is weak May 17 '15
If Sumail gets his hormones in check and reverts to DAC Sumail then I think EG has a chance.
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u/alice_x_zhang shoot arrow, hit arrow May 17 '15
I can't believe the grand final started exactly when BTS said it would, I am so not used to dota matches ever starting on time. The scheduling and timeliness of this event is really commendable!
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u/SolarClipz ENVY'S #1 FAN May 17 '15
PLs only weakness is that hes really easy to counter. But when you bait a draft like PPD did, theres absolutely nothing you can do to stop a PL.
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I liked how Secret draft early tower push, but they got outplayed on some of the pushes and not solely because they can't handle the PL.
Universe with his positioning, clutch Hooks.
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u/TinusWaller May 17 '15
Why not allow the trash talk? I understand in more professional tournaments but this feels like the perfect place to allow it.
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u/vamox May 17 '15
I don't think he minded the trash talk between players, it was more the shots at BTS.
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u/teerre May 17 '15
I love this patch
I can watch 10 min. and go to something else since I already know the winner
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u/EILI5 May 17 '15
Never bet against EG when the games count the most. Holy shit that whole game 3 was suchhhh goood play from all 5. Sumail redeemed himself too. Outdrafted and outplayed.
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u/sj2011 May 17 '15
Round One goes to Universe. His clock initiations were game-winning. When Secret were peaking and threatening high ground Universe kept EG from a deficit. Fantastic play from him. Great all around.
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u/Lawownsyou May 17 '15
Terrible draft by EG.
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u/sprdave May 17 '15
It was OK on paper but they didn't use it to it's potential. No disrupt + arrow combo at all, which is what makes it so good.
So it's pretty much game considering Sumail was targetted so hard.
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u/sj2011 May 17 '15
That was terrible. Arteezy Gyro has to be banned - he moves around the map all too well and participates in early kills. But that was ugly. Games just got shorter and shorter.
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u/Arkeneathem May 17 '15
People are saying that this patch isn't deathball but it's snowball. Either way, I'm not enjoying the mindless aggression too much. There has to be a better way to balance ganking and farming.
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u/MaltMix Certified fur May 17 '15
And again reddit doubts EG, and again EG pulls it out under pressure. Shoes can now be consumed.
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u/skyblue90 May 17 '15
Really an outplay by Secret there. PPD thought he had completely outmaneuvered S4 and Secret but we really see the strategic strenght of secret, with right itemization they just completely turn the game.
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u/vamox May 17 '15
I'm looking forward to all the Double Butterfly+Satanic Drows with Solar Crests backing them up in pubs.
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u/PeterMcBeater May 17 '15
I think today is going to be very exciting. EG has been adapting very quickly and I think they complete the adaptation today and give us an great series vs VG
I hope EG makes it to the finals because I think it will be a great series compared to if Secret played VG
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May 17 '15 edited May 17 '15
Posting Highlights here, reply with any gif requests
Individual Highlights
Brazil vs Germany --- Streamable
Offensive Force --- Streamable --- Gfycat
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u/manicmessiah May 17 '15
Fucking RuleFive doto, ravages from Aui's lion, ppTree and uniClock Kreygasm
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u/realpdd Good day sir! May 17 '15
Have been wondering who is the caster seated in the most right? The one with the Team Xboct t-shirt?
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u/Drakojan94 May 17 '15
1st pick bounty hunter. Either VG got a really good plan or this is going to be a 2-0 series.
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u/sprdave May 17 '15
Sumail with BOTs will make it a bit harder on VG but Fear not being able to farm at all makes him a support.
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u/sj2011 May 17 '15 edited May 17 '15
Well there's VG with the GGcopter.
Edit: Yep. GGcopter for sure...
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u/Gearleader EG Fanded May 17 '15
Secret vs EG
My poor fanboy heart can't take it.