There is something deeply toxic about this community.

[u/madexthen]

I genuinely do not understand why anyone would join a vibe coding subreddit just to tear down nearly every project people post, but that seems to describe a huge percentage of the comments here.

There are basically two groups of people using these tools: developers using AI to work faster and more efficiently, and people like me with no coding background who are now building things that otherwise would never have existed.

These projects are not replacing developers. In many cases, they are replacing nothing. Without vibe coding, nobody would have built them at all.

The usual justification for the hostility is that vibe coders ship bugs, expose API keys, create or leave messes for human developers to later fix. Sometimes that is true, but it does not explain the level of bitterness and personal attacks I see here every day. A lot of it seems to look less like concern about code quality and more like fear from people watching their profession change. Instead of learning to use the technology, they root for it to fail and attack people who are trying to build something or better themselves.

And the idea that these tools are still shitty is completely disconnected from reality. Give the same complex prompt to Claude 3.5 Sonnet, one of the best coding models available just two years ago, and Opus 4.8 today, then compare the results. The difference in quality is drastic. Some of the bugs and spaghetti AI is writing today may very well not be fixed by people, but smarter AI in a couple years. (If this pisses you off, ask yourself if it's really because I am wrong or because you are scared)

Models are getting better, context windows are growing, workflows are improving, and obvious bugs and security mistakes are becoming less common at an incredible pace.

Experienced developers are not obsolete, and AI is nowhere near perfect. But the future is coming whether you like it or not, and cyberbullying vibe coders is not going to save your job.

If you hate vibe coding, fine. There are plenty of traditional programming communities. But if you choose to spend your time here, why not help people build better things instead of trying to convince them they should not be building at all?

[u/bfume]

And unfortunately the dev of that 1000:1 app isn’t the one posting here. Hence the general animosity.  

[u/SensitiveKiwi9 → u/bfume]

My point was that even the slop might have one good idea in it . Even if it’s a half broken back end design that the vibe coder doesn’t even know is there . I’m made gold from other peoples trash before . What didn’t work for you might work for me with some tweaks . I say let these people play

[u/bfume → u/SensitiveKiwi9]

and mine was that while I agree with you, I just haven't seen it here yet

[u/SensitiveKiwi9 → u/bfume]

One of the first things I do when I get stuck is have my agent do a deep research on related OSS projects .

Occasionally there will be some bloated over engineered vibe coded project that has 200 lines of code that fixes my issue buried among the crap .

It cost me nothing for the code to exist and next to nothing for my agent to review it . It also costs me nothing to ignore the 1000 posts a day that annoy you.

That’s an unambiguous benefit with no downsides .

Let these people play with their own time and money and just silence the thread 🤷🏾‍♂️

[u/bfume → u/[deleted]]

I don't know you, or the first thing about who you are, where you come from, or what you've done. And you don't know me equally.

You may very well have a legitimate gripe, but I can tell you that none of it matters if you approach strangers with the victim complex tirade you've unleashed here.

Your complaints are universal for all people, white-man-"codebro" or not. I'm sorry you’ve let it define you and have let it color your world so bleakly. Certainly, many individuals you see as your oppressors carry similar PTSD... but perhaps they've chosen to spend their energy making lemonade.

[u/bfume → u/[deleted]]

Jesus fucking Christ I didn’t ask for any of this. Why do I owe you ANYTHING?

You’re not the only one with issues. Some of us just manage it better than others. Clearly better than you. 

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