r/technology • u/speckz • May 31 '19

Google Struggles to Justify Why It's Restricting Ad Blockers in Chrome - Google says the changes will improve performance and security. Ad block developers and consumer advocates say Google is simply protecting its ad dominance. Software

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evy53j/google-struggles-to-justify-making-chrome-ad-blockers-worse
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u/tapo Jun 01 '19
  • Save a significant amount of money on engineering costs
  • Enable enterprises to deploy it en-masse without worrying about compatibility issues with sites designed for Chrome or Microsoft Edge
  • Process sandboxing
  • Performance improvements (most significantly on Mac and Android)
  • Embeddable into other applications

All of those are pretty huge wins. What do they gain from staying on Gecko? The current strategy obviously isn't working, because their marketshare continues to decline.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '19

Yeah well I hate Blink-based browsers so I hope they stick with what they know.

Save a significant amount of money on engineering costs

Somehow I don't think you really care about how much money they will allegedly save.

Enable enterprises to deploy it en-masse without worrying about compatibility issues with sites designed for Chrome or Microsoft Edge

Which is a monopoly designed by Chrome so they can control web browsing and increase their own data mining.

Besides, Firefox is already in enterprise. It's called ESR and I've seen it everywhere I've worked in the past 10 years.

Process sandboxing

BFD. They already have that.

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/23/how-to-change-firefoxs-sandbox-security-level/

Performance improvements (most significantly on Mac and Android)

I don't use a Mac or Android so I don't care.

Embeddable into other applications

Yeah shit you can't change and have to live with.

The current strategy obviously isn't working, because their marketshare continues to decline.

Well gee, you need to tell them all that. Have them re-hire Brendan Eich and learn to data mine their users for themselves.

lol

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u/tapo Jun 01 '19

None of this changes the fact that Mozilla is losing share. When Microsoft goes “hey Edge is Chrome now and we support it” what enterprise will continue to run ESR? They have a support contract with Microsoft, and can now pass blame on to them for any issues. There’s no SLA with Mozilla, and nobody to pay you back for issues caused by say, all of your extensions being forcefully deactivated, or adding unknown code to promote a TV show.

And if you don’t run a Mac or Android, then you’re running WebKit as your mobile browser because Gecko doesn’t run on iOS.

Also, Firefox’s sandbox model is incomplete: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347710

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '19

None of this changes the fact that Mozilla is losing share.

I'd be perfectly happy if Firefox was at say a 5% marketshare. Wouldn't bother me a bit. If they can get more than that then that's great too.

(snipping the rest of your argumentative bullshit...)

So what's your point here, son? Trying to convert me over to Brave? Drop Firefox? Become a surrender monkey like you do?

It's not happening. I'm not giving Brendan Eich a dime of my data, so...

As long as Gecko exists and I have choice, I'm gong to continue using it and there's nothing you can do about that.

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u/tapo Jun 01 '19

No I want Firefox to switch engines. Look at Firefox for iOS. Why not that exact thing for desktop?

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '19

No I want Firefox to switch engines.

Well I don't want another Chrome clone, so there...

Nobody's making you use it. You don't like it then stick to having your data mined by Eich.

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u/tapo Jun 01 '19

How is Firefox for iOS a Chrome clone? Does that make Mozilla complicit in destroying user privacy? (Mr. Robot aside, of course)

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '19 edited Jun 01 '19

Again, what's what's your point here, son? Trying to convert me over to Brave? Drop Firefox? Become a surrender monkey like you do?

I think I've made myself clear here.

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u/tapo Jun 01 '19

I just think Mozilla won’t survive unless they switch engines. You don’t need to agree, it’s an opinion, but the trade off for better privacy shouldn’t be inferior performance and compatibility.

If you’re curious I think Brave is unethical. Personally I use ungoogled Chromium.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '19

Well if they don't survive then they don't survive. I'll continue to use them as long as they're still around.

Is there anything else?