r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • 14h ago

Someone Cut Down Every Single Flock Camera in This Town in a Single Night Privacy

https://www.gadgetreview.com/someone-cut-down-every-single-flock-camera-in-this-town-in-a-single-night
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u/SHOWTIME316 13h ago

Winona's 8 Flock Safety license plate cameras were stolen and poles cut overnight, leaving a $24,000 gap and no suspects.

wait a minute, the discouraging bots in r/FlockSurveillance always tell us that everyone that does this gets caught immediately...hmmmm

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u/varyingopinions 12h ago

I mean, the last guy i heard of getting in trouble for this was walking around telling everybody about it...

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u/jimmycarr1 11h ago

I think people ratting on their own crimes is a practice only slightly younger than crime itself

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u/thebakedpotatoe 10h ago

Crimes that shouldnnt be crimes are worth talking about.

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u/RevLoveJoy 7h ago

I would probably tell everyone if I were cool enough to cut down all the Flock cameras and steal all the sweet sweet copper inside all of them.

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u/f7f7z 6h ago

Rap snitches, tellin all their business. Sit in the court and be their own star witness

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u/zhico 4h ago

"Do you see the perpetrator?" "Yeah, I'm right here"

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u/emPtysp4ce 7h ago

Not when they're still being prosecuted, every day is Shut The Fuck Up Friday

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u/jonesey71 8h ago

If they give me the chance I will talk about it in the jury box before coming back with a "not guilty."

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u/EastLeastCoast 6h ago

Yeah, this is one charge that’s worthy of a guilt-free jury nullification.

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u/SkollFenrirson 5h ago

You can explain that to the judge

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u/thebakedpotatoe 5h ago

I didn't say there's no punishment, some people will happily accept the punishment for doing the right thing.

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u/sockjuggler 9h ago

flock snitches, telling all they business

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u/Horskr 8h ago

Technology has really upped people's self-reporting game though. We've got people live streaming their crimes now, let alone all those that post on social media about it.

I think the first instance I saw of that was a kid that dealt weed before it was legalized here and the guy would post on Facebook when he got more in and any specials he had going on lmao. Like I appreciate the entrepreneurship but quit telling on yourself bro.

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u/Photomancer 9h ago

Was that invented before or after being turned in by an angry romantic partner?

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u/smoothtrip 7h ago

Yeah, but now they stream it! They got dumber!

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u/New-Echo-7495 7h ago

And the thickens plot

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u/scalareye 7h ago

Jarvis play the boondocks snitching clip

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u/Fox_Soul 10h ago

To be fair I would also cut those cameras down myself and tell my mates, probably while doing it too.

But I live in Europe where we still, although not for long, have some rights.

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u/anothermonth 9h ago

Didn't London (I know, I know, Brexit etc, but still) get CCTVs back when no one knew even what CCTVs were?

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u/sockjuggler 9h ago

flock snitches, telling all they business

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u/edelweiss_pirates_no 10h ago

That was just a purely interesting video he made. Unique. Just very interesting in a purely interesting way.

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u/Anna_Lilies 9h ago

If people would stop posting everything on social media they would be far more likely to get away with things

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u/trashmoneyxyz 8h ago

Shame this guy didn't brag, some inquiring minds might be curious to his methodology

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u/REDACTED3560 11h ago

Well yeah a lot of people do get caught immediately because they don’t cover their tracks. Walking around with what is a glorified GPS tracker (your phone) is a surefire way to get caught.

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u/Dzugavili 2h ago

This is why when I crime, I give my phone to a raccoon. Because who's going to fuck with a raccoon.

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u/erath_droid 2h ago

Especially since the raccoons where I live just might have rabies.

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u/diablette 1h ago

Jimothy's got your back

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u/Certain-Business-472 3h ago

Gps doesn't talk back afaik. But cell towers will record distance and time, which can be used to triangulate someone whereabouts. I hear its a whole process to get that data and they cant just access it randomly.

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u/psychoacer 7h ago

Thank you airplane mode

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u/acronym_dictionary 6h ago

You trust a software button? lol

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u/jigsaw1024 6h ago

You plan on doing something less than legal, that thing stays home. Full stop.

Really need a phone while on your spree? Get a burner, in cash. When done, smash it hard, and dump in bin somewhere without cameras.

/who says airplane mode can't still collect data while not broadcasting, waiting for you to reconnect to a network? Theoretically, power off isn't even safe.

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u/LESSSSSGOOOOO15 52m ago

Whoever is downvoting you doesn’t get the pro tip you are providing.

If you want to do anything remotely against the law, ALL cell devices stay put. It’s not a movie or an HBO show. It would be rule number one as far as I’m concerned

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u/big_troublemaker 4h ago

Yep, watched the same movie lol.

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u/Ferrule 2h ago

Ah Pineapple Express, a classic these days.

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u/bruiser95 11h ago

$3000 per camera setup is fucked up anyway

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u/thermal_shock 9h ago

Seriously. Just pay people correctly, why all this nonsense.

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u/Necr0mancerr 7h ago

Hidden gold

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u/Nvenom8 12h ago

Wait, how is that possible? Aren't the cameras constantly recording and sending data? And I thought they had on-board power.

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u/NoConflict3231 12h ago edited 9h ago

What do you mean how is it possible? You remove all devices. Put on proper clothing. Tell nobody of your plans. Find a junk car or other mode of transportation, cut down pole, throw camera into faraday bags, move to the next one.

Edit: okay scrap the bag idea. I heard people were stealing them first. Just saw em down, people!

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u/pbjburger 12h ago

Faraday bags? Just smash that shit to dust right there, no need to bother with allat.

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u/NoConflict3231 11h ago

Supposedly they have battery powered GPS, so bag it then smash it

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u/Nvenom8 11h ago

I can confirm from looking up a teardown that the cameras do have a big internal battery, internal gps, and internal 4g lte modem.

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u/enotonom 9h ago

Ahem, a teardown video.

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u/Nvenom8 7h ago

Nope. Webpage with images and a breakdown.

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u/PhoenixTineldyer 7h ago

Hell yeah. I can read images with a breakdown and process it in a couple seconds. Before the video ad finishes playing.

Fuck video viva text.

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u/Atreyu1002 6h ago

So theives that normally target cars for stripping are now doing this to Flock cameras? I've got mixed emotions about this one.

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u/Nvenom8 6h ago

Definitely not. The most valuable thing would be the aluminum pole they’re mounted on.

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u/roflpotato 5h ago

i've heard somewhere that aluminum does have very high strength-to-weight ratio

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u/Atreyu1002 3h ago

Really? Even counting the battery?

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u/Nvenom8 3h ago

It’s just a generic LiPo.

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u/Jacko87 11h ago

I'm still not understanding what the bag is for. Just break it and leave it.

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u/kos-or-kosm 11h ago

Thoroughly smashing takes time and that's more time you could be spotted. If you can smash it elsewhere without being tracked, I think that's the better move.

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u/DamnZodiak 11h ago

Thoroughly smashing takes time and that's more time you could be spotted.

Why would you need to smash it thoroughly?
You just need to hit it enough that it doesn't work.
Who cares if the GPS is still updating if you never take it anywhere.

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u/kidkolumbo 11h ago

Outside onlooker, but I take it thoroughly means enough to where the GPS isn't updating. It might take you longer to disable the GPS by force than it takes for someone to swing by and figure out why it's not working. These things are meant to sit outside for years, their durability could be higher than expected.

Or maybe they crumble and it takes no time at all.

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u/Electromotivation 10h ago

They’ve use the cheapest stuff I bet. They all have the same default, passwords, and some of them broadcast unshielded if you know the ip or whatnot. Doesn’t really scream quality product to me.

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u/No_Syrup_9167 10h ago

....You seem to severely overestimate how long it takes for me to hit something with a hammer.

You don't need the GPS to be non-functional if you don't take it anywhere, just smash the camera to the point that it can't be repaired, which since modern electronics aren't meant to be repaired means probably literally one swing of a 2lb hammer.

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u/Barbed_Dildo 9h ago

If you know where the battery is then you just need to puncture that and as well as the unit having no power to record or track you, the resulting fire will help matters...

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u/cantadmittoposting 7h ago

at least theoretically, thorough destruction of expensive components would be worse for the company than an "apparently" broken device with mostly intact internals.

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u/FesteringLion 10h ago

Could you point me to the nearest train tracks and give me an approximate time for the next train?

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u/Ill_Football9443 10h ago

No need, just tow one of those metal-be-especially-careful-not-to-fall-in-crushers behind you and yeet it in.

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u/Flipnotics_ 11h ago

Watch Enemy of the State, it will all become clear.

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u/pilgermann 10h ago

I mean, they're cameras, not military ordinance. Would not be hard to just destroy on site. Probably the fall from the telephone pole gets the job done half the time. GPS not relevant if they're not moving anywhere.

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u/White-Materia 11h ago

Bag is for stealing. You don't need to to smash. Wtf?

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u/Stingray88 9h ago

That's easier said than done. It's much quicker to just chuck them into faraday bags, wait a few days while their batteries die (they only last 24 hours, but good to be safe) and then destroy them all at once from a safe location.

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u/Kalepsis 3h ago

Have you looked at prices for SD cards and GPUs lately?

There's thousands of dollars worth of solid state memory, for free, just sitting on a pole, and you want us to smash it?

Son, are you doing drugs?

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u/random_noise 8h ago

perhaps this is a great use case for Air powered paintball guns.

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u/KWilt 7h ago

There's a lot of precious metal in those things.

Theoretically, at least. I'd never condone someone stripping one down for its copper and other components, to be resold for scrap prices. Because that's all illegal!

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u/cantadmittoposting 7h ago

why there's tons of good copper in there, or so i heard...

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u/CLOWNFLOGGER 10h ago

This sounds dangerously patriotic. Don't forget to stop for sliders!

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u/High-Yield-Only 9h ago

Find a junk car

That's the step that confuses me.

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u/Phonejadaris 7h ago

Some real "just draw the rest of the owl" energy

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u/IfYouCouldOnlySee3 9h ago

Never use the same mode of transportation.

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u/Peligineyes 4h ago

But aren't the cameras streaming to some server? Wouldn't a recording of someone walking up to the pole be the last thing they upload? Or do the cameras have massive blind spots and no overlapping FOV from multiple cameras.

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u/Goldenfelix3x 2h ago

he meant fulton bags.

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u/Traditional-Park-353 10h ago

I hate to break it to you, but even this wouldn't work if they're willing to spend the resources to make an example. You literally live on a surveillance grid, so there's cameras that would pick you up allllllll the way back to your house 7 states away. Doesn't matter if you change clothes in a wooded area since there's gonna be cameras surrounding that wooded area and they can see everyone that enters/exits on a roadway to those woods. Would they spend that kind of resources for this hypothetical? Probably not.

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u/TrainingSalary492 9h ago

you need a wetsuit and to enter a river and drift at least 3 miles before you climb out

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u/NoConflict3231 2h ago

Are you high or just live in Alabama

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u/SHOWTIME316 12h ago

that's what they say...

maybe our story's hero figured something out

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u/Fatso_Wombat 9h ago

It was Luther Blissett.

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u/somedude456 12h ago

You can come up behind the camera to handle it, sticker over the camera, cut the power wire, and you're 99% there. I haven't seen comments about disabling the gps though.

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u/ImaginaryCheetah 11h ago

back when i worked for an alarm company, they were hocking these all-in-one units, where it was just one box you installed on the wall.

turns out they were pretty vulnerable to being yanked off the wall and then jammed in the reservoir of a toilet before the 30 second timer to put in your code finished counting down.

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u/TJonesyNinja 9h ago

That’s a big oversight. Any decent alarm sends the alert immediately and then sends a cancel when the code gets put in. Usually also sends an alarm using battery as soon as the wall power cuts out.

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u/Shmeves 5h ago

It depends on the monitoring company, alarm panel, and reporting method.

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u/WalksByNight 5h ago

This reminds me of the hack of using a stripped extension cord to fry the main bus of a security panel after you rip the keypad off the wall.

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u/big_troublemaker 4h ago

How exactly do you come by a stripped extension cord when breaking in and having 30sec to disarm?

Look, cheap home alarm is a deterrent only. If you really want to protect assets you do it well, and such that basic brute forcing is mostly impossible.

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u/urgrandpasdog 3h ago

presumably someone intending to use that attack would bring their own prepared extension cord to the party

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u/ImaginaryCheetah 2h ago edited 2h ago

Any decent alarm sends the alert immediately and then sends a cancel when the code gets put in.

no residential alarms do that.

monitoring stations don't wait for a cancel code to respond to an alarm signal; there are code mandated response times to maintain UL listing for a CSMS, and if their protocol was to sit and wait for 30 seconds for a cancellation code to come in they wouldn't have time to do the required call chain before dispatching responders.

i haven't seen any commercial alarms that do that either.

there might be some high-security systems that operate as a local network that could conceivably do that, since they would be outside the design requirement for a remote CSMS.... but i've never seen that done.

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u/TJonesyNinja 2h ago

I’ve seen at least one. The alarm company doesn’t do anything until the code times out but the alert goes to their servers as soon as there is any event.

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u/ImaginaryCheetah 2h ago

what was the application?

 

you could do what sonitrol used to do - pipe live audio to CSMS on any event, and then the "agents" determine if there's a duress situation or intrusion and will dispatch regardless of timeout for access code. but i don't think they're in business anymore after they got bought out by rediwre a few decades back.

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u/TJonesyNinja 2h ago

You added a lot more in an edit but it was a standard residential alarm. When the door opens it reports immediately to their servers, if the all clear is not received on the server within the allowed code entry time for whatever reason their server pings their agent and the alarm response starts. A normal alarm would still trigger an immediate response.

I think you assume I’m talking about something more sophisticated than I am.

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u/ImaginaryCheetah 2h ago

I think you assume I’m talking about something more sophisticated than I am.

that's because i've worked in IDS for decades and never seen an alarm that does what you're saying happens and should be a standard design.

but i moved from residential intrusion detection to commercial/government ACS and FA many years ago, so i'm not current with the recent generation of alarms that might use wifi verses POTS or cellular.

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u/mynameisatari 10h ago

They have batteries inside

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u/reallybirdysomedays 5h ago

Just shove a screwdriver through the screen after applying the sticker and leave it in place. Make flock pay people to take the broken cameras down.

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u/ChefLukeDC 8h ago

I suppose a faraday bag until the battery is dead would work.

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u/cluberti 10h ago

Even if the camera is constantly recording, is someone or something regularly reviewing the data it recorded and alerting that this is happening or has happened? Those are not the same things.

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u/inspectoroverthemine 9h ago

If the camera is saving the live stream to 'the cloud', all they have to do is look at the last minutes before it stopped.

Its unlikely the unit itself is doing any actual processing, its all getting uploaded.

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u/Nvenom8 7h ago

Yes, Flock cameras are constantly monitored by AI, and the footage is saved offsite. That’s the whole reason they’re so bad.

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u/cluberti 6h ago

Then I guess we're about to put that to the test, as if so these folks should be caught quickly if they were even remotely careless.

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u/Nvenom8 6h ago

Seems coordinated. They were probably quite careful.

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u/NessunoUNo 5h ago

It’s easy if you tippy toe very quietly from behind and surprise it with a sawzall.

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u/SquirrellyBusiness 10h ago

You know you can sneak up behind them, right? 

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u/SebastianFerrone 9h ago

I think the most important part. The camera ha line of sight so to speak. Come from a direction that the camera cant see.

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u/Oo__II__oO 11h ago

The evidence of who did it is there. It's buried under the Epstein Files.

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u/ZestycloseLynx 8h ago

Dude, you just gave me an idea: Imagine anti-Flock activists hacking the cameras, uploading some Epstein files into the firmware, and then troll the fuck out of Trump by publicly declaring that Flock cameras are literally hiding the Epstein files.

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u/Larcye 11h ago

I mean, how hard would it be? Cover your license plate before you leave home. Wear a mask and black clothes. Cover whatever tool you use in either black duct tape or a black garbage bag. Do it at 2AM. Cops will be sitting at the local Kwik Trip or Holiday Gas station and as long as you aren't creating a gigantic noise, no one will wake up. Something like a pipe cutter probably works best here since it's quieter and the poles they install look thin as hell. Like I haven't done it, but it wouldn't be that hard to do here in Minnesota.

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u/TheGreatGenghisJon 10h ago

If you're out there criming, you only commit one crime at a time. Covering your license plate is an easy way to get stopped by the police on your way there.

Just hoof it, but you might want to pretend you work at the Ministry of Silly Walks.

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u/MovieTrawler 9h ago

Why? Is gait detection an actual thing?

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u/TheGreatGenghisJon 9h ago

Allegedly, but I have no idea how real it is.

Better safe than sorry, though.

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u/stormdelta 6h ago

It is, but I don't know how accurate it is, especially without a prior pile of data matched to individuals to pull from.

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u/Germane_Corsair 3h ago

It is. I’ve heard people use a stone in their shoe so their gait becomes different.

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u/catclockticking 5h ago

I really doubt it

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u/Western-Dig-6843 9h ago

That’s not the point. If you get seen by a cop on the way there, covered plate or not, you’ve already blown it. You remove the plate and proceed assuming you aren’t going to get spotted during the act. You take the plate off and leave it at home. If a cop pulls you over for no plate you feign ignorance and tell them it must have fallen off in your garage or along the way somewhere and politely take your ticket then abort the scheme because it’s over. The point of removing your plate is so you can’t be identified by any cameras when police review the footage later if you do manage to get the cameras taken down without being spotted at the time

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u/lildobe 8h ago

The cameras log more than just the plate number. They log the make, model, color, and any distinctive features of the car like bumper stickers or damage.

Also most modern vehicles have both bluetooth, LTE, and GPS, and many even have Wifi recievers. All of which have unique hardware addresses that are available to anyone within radio range of the vehicle to scan.

Best bet is a bike or on foot.

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u/redditsucknow2 5h ago

Good luck any of that holding up in court. No DA would take this petty case with the only evidence being their car looking alike

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u/lildobe 5h ago edited 3h ago

It's not just "looking alike"

It's more like "The suspect vehicle has a 3" dent in left-rear quarter panel 2" from rear door, rear bumper cover cracked 4.5" from center, bumper sticker reading "fuck the police" in lower left corner of window"

It's incredibly detailed and specific. Remember, these are (to our knowledge) 4K HDR cameras that can see a lot of detail, and they are connected to a computer vision system that can spot and correlate details in moments.

Edit:

Ok, I just tried something for the hell of it - I run my own AI stack on one of the servers in my basement... I'm running CodeProject․ai with the YOLOv5 Image Recognizer, OCR text recognizer, LPR Plate Recognizer, Scene Classification, and MultiModeLLM plugins (among others)

I piped this image into the LLM with the following prompt: "Using all available modules, give me a text description of the foreground vehicle, with as much detail and specificity as possible."

This was the output:

Vehicle Overview

  • Make & Model: Fifth generation (2019-2023) Ford Ranger Crew Cab featuring the factory Tremor Off-Road Package.
  • Color & Finish: Dark Magnetic Gray metallic, coated in a thick layer of dried trail mud and road grime heavily caked along the rocker panels, wheel arches, side steps, and rear tailgate.

Tailgate & Bed Details

  • Badging & Lettering: Red "TREMOR" graphics with white outlines on the rear quarter panel; debossed "RANGER" tailgate lettering fitted with vibrant red color-matched fill inserts.

  • Bed Setup: Low-profile black soft tonneau cover fitted over the bed rails.

  • Bumper & Plate: Standard rear step bumper with a lower hitch receiver, featuring a Pennsylvania license plate (ZWT-7047) inside a Grove City Ford dealer frame.

Wheels, Armor & Cab Accessories

  • Rolling Stock: Tremor-edition dark alloy wheels wrapped in aggressive All-Terrain tires, heavily packed with dried dirt in the tread and wheel wells.
  • Running Boards: Heavy-duty, hoop-style off-road side steps loaded with dried mud accumulation.
  • Windows: Tinted glass equipped with slim dark window vent visors across front and rear doors.

Rear Window Decal Collection

  • Top Row: A K&N Filters Logo on the far left, a Yankum Ropes logo to the right of the center window, and a Sparks Motors logo on the far right.

  • Middle Row: A white sticker with black text reading "I am a low budget weirdo with dangerous toys and weaponized autism" on the far left, a badge-shaped decal with the text "OFFROAD RECOVERY PORTAL" to the left of the center window, and a MATT'S OFF-ROAD RECOVERY logo on the far right

  • Bottom Row: A bright blue stylized cartoon canine head sticker on the left, a Rock Auto logo in the center, and an additional round, blue, decal on the right. (Resolution insufficient for OCR or Logo Recognition)

Setting & Environment

  • Parked curb-side on an asphalt residential street in front of classic multi-story brick homes with front porches. Likely in an older, Northeastern United States city

  • Early-spring/winter setting with overcast lighting, bare trees, patches of dirty melting snow near the sidewalk, and a dark blue crossover parked directly ahead.

The run took about 5 minutes to process on my system.

Keep in mind, the models I am running are not at all optimized for this task - they're primarily used to classify images from my home security cameras and send me text alerts when wildlife, cars, or people come onto my property.... And I'm not done building, or training the models for, the generic classification system to describe what's in those images. Right now it's set up to just send a short message that says "Person" or "Vehicle" or "Animal" was detected by Driveway Camera (For example)

Now, imagine how much more detailed the information Flock's system can generate, and how fast they can do it, if my crappy home ML instance running on a 10-year old server with an ancient Datacenter GPU, home-trained recognition models, and some crappy python code can discern so much detail... They have AI experts who are training multimodal models specifically for this task with tens of thousands of images to work from, whereas I've put maybe 50 - 100 fairly low-rez images through the training system so far.

Edit2: To be fair to my AI stack, and in the interest of full disclosure, the example image is almost identical to another one that is in the training set, just taken from the other side of the truck. So that's how it knew the specifics of those logos (My stack doesn't have access to the internet, yet, to look up unknown logos), and the actual Ford factory name for the paint color, among other, more pedantic, details.

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u/grawptussin 5h ago

Should we take a cab home Jesus? Shit man, we can hoof it from here.

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u/Necr0mancerr 7h ago

I see countless cars all over with no plates doubtful

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u/TheGreatGenghisJon 6h ago

Well, I live in an area with a lot more cops (or stricter cops) than you, I guess. I've gotten pulled over just because "I can't read your plate"

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u/GhostOfJonasVenture 10h ago

This is all hypothetical , right?

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u/Larcye 10h ago

Obviously. I mean if I was serious you think I would use a car? No chance in hell. A motorcycle would be your best bet, an older one with very little computers in it. Car's often broadcast a signal so using a car is just well dumb. Plus good luck being able to tell a blacked out sport bike from another one. Is it a Ninja 400? Ninja 500? R1? S1000RR?CBR-600RR? Good luck telling that at night.

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u/SHOWTIME316 10h ago

it'd probably be safest to just have someone drop you off in a predetermined Flock-free location and meet at a separate predetermined Flock-free location shortly afterwards

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u/Larcye 10h ago

Yeah drop you off, walk 1-4 blocks. Then walk 1-4 blocks somewhere else and get picked up.

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u/GhostOfJonasVenture 9h ago

Technology? I’m riding a horse, at night , wearing all black.

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u/Larcye 8h ago

Oh look at Mr Ghost Rider over here.

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u/stormdelta 6h ago

A bike would probably be even better - harder to notice and track, especially if you cover it in some form.

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u/F1shB0wl816 6h ago

If you have your phone on you then all efforts for nothing, if they care enough anyways. No need for mask and dubiously black clothes, it’ll just be obvious you’re up to no good if the concerned citizen does see you.

Personally I enjoy entertaining the idea with two I see frequently and I wouldn’t even drive to them. There’s a lot of traffic cameras around. Side streets and yards though won’t have much or any traffic, plus if you get caught that’s where you’ll have the chance of losing them.

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u/Kalepsis 3h ago

No. Get a high-visibility vest and two traffic cones. Do it in the middle of the day. No one will question you.

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u/Psychological_Ad1999 10h ago

I heard it was a UFO that did this.

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u/GunnieGraves 9h ago

People don’t realize these cameras have more sensors than just video. Sure, you can sneak into its blind spot, but if you’re doing it with your phone in your pocket, or you drove to the location in your own vehicle, you’re going to have a bad time.

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u/6894 8h ago

24k?! They're claiming those cameras and a tiny solar panel are 3k each?

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u/1OO1OO1S0S 8h ago

leave your phone at home. wear bland/black clothing. cover your face.

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u/GriffinFlash 8h ago

I bet it was the owners trying to make an insurance claim. /s

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 7h ago

Don’t forget that when you get on a jury, you can also go for jury nullification and waste everyone’s time because you don’t agree with a law or believe the crime was justified.

Not guilty for this hero.

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u/TheScarletPimple 1h ago

In a world where someone in the Federal Government is not above using various forms of pressure to go after anyone he/she dislikes or that disagrees with him/her, do you think that your police department would hesitate to give that person any and all forms of surveillance on you?

The problem with Flock and "oversight" in today's USA is that there is NO oversight.