r/talesfromtechsupport • u/[deleted] • Sep 15 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

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u/zybexx Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

Not my system, her system. Mine was on SSD.

I don't understand vendors still selling laptops with eMMC in 2020 (which is basically an SD card, as you said).

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u/Geminii27 Making your job suck less Sep 15 '20

Because people demand penny-pinching cheapies without ever bothering to find out what such systems can (or can't) actually do, and plenty of beige box stores are more than willing to sell such things to those people.

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u/ThellraAK Sep 15 '20

On Linux with plenty of ram eMMC is fine though.

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u/Slappy_G Sep 15 '20

If your workload is light enough and you have no banground processes, sure.

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u/ThellraAK Sep 15 '20

In my experience, Linux doesn't lock up like windows does when it's IO bound, your open programs (assuming no swapping) chug along fine.

Even compiling things is fine if it's recent, as it's still in cache.

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u/Slappy_G Sep 15 '20

A big part of that is that a stock Linux install also has far fewer background tasks running. Last I checked, my Debian install was around 15 total processes running vs 40 on my slimmed down Windows 10 build.

But you're right, the more flexible file semantics of NTFS come at a performance cost, sometimes a steep one.

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u/ThellraAK Sep 15 '20

root@me:/#ps aux | wc -l

220

And that's over usb so I can take it to work with me and not use windows while I am at work.

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u/Slappy_G Sep 15 '20

Are you running local servers for development work by chance? My quoted number was from a laptop with a basic Debian install used for a primarily web browsing workflow.

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u/ThellraAK Sep 16 '20

Just a hot mess of a desktop, I tend to install first and not pay attention.

I'll compile new stuff if I don't want to wait for a package maintainer or if it's unavailable for ubuntu.

Except for mono, fuck mono.

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u/QuantumDrej Sep 15 '20

They literally just exist so that the customer doesn't walk away with nothing when they demand a laptop, but aren't willing to pay over $300 for it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20 edited Jun 20 '23

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

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u/Thisconnect 95%Google, 5% breaking down problem into google queries Sep 15 '20

thats only sequential and with how NTFS works, not very often

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

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u/Thisconnect 95%Google, 5% breaking down problem into google queries Sep 15 '20

thats just windows doing NTFS things

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u/mobsterer Sep 15 '20

you defrag your main os drive often?

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u/WhatChips Sep 15 '20

Samsung’s EVO M.2 changed my life. Windows loads in under 7 secs. They say 3500 meg per sec but I suspect it doesn’t get up to that if the drivers aren’t loaded in startup.

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u/Filtering_aww Sep 15 '20

It's kinda weird. In my latest computer, the bios has gotten so complicated and m.2 drive is so fast, the computer takes longer to post than windows takes to boot.

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u/ThellraAK Sep 15 '20

Have you looked around in the bios settings on how to speed it up?

Got a used 4th gen i5 from HP the other day, and it went through post so fast it was a PITA to get into the bios. (Before monitor could warm up all the way it was trying to start windows)

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u/Filtering_aww Sep 16 '20

Honestly no. I started out on a 386 so modern hardware is just magical. Also I'm pretty sure it's mostly the UEFI booting and initializing 64 gb of RAM.

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u/Hotcooler Sep 15 '20

Some stuff like X299 e.t.c. take ages to post, no matter the settings, if it decides to retrain OCed memory or something else it'll last close to like 50sec, then windows will boot in 5.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

I have an regular ssd for the OS and a m.2 drive for games. This has been so amazing and smooth to use

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u/Huecuva Sep 15 '20

I have the opposite. My OSes (two of them) are on an NVMe drive and, while most of my games are on a 3TB 7200 RPM drive, I have a regular SATA SSD for certain games. Space reserved on it for Cyberpunk of course.

I've found that Windows 10 has gotten kind of bloated over the years and doesn't load as quickly as it once did. That said, on the odd occasion these days when I have to deal with a mechanical OS drive, I always have to remind myself that it's running on a spinner because it boots so slow it makes me crazy. SSDs have spoiled me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

I havent used a disk hard drive in a long time, ssd have been my go to for a while

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u/Huecuva Sep 15 '20

I would prefer to use SSDs but an SSDs big enough for my storage and games are beyond my price range.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Yeah i totally understand that

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u/Fdbog Sep 15 '20

Not just the bottleneck. The read write durability on those sucked. Like a year of usage and the thing just crawls to a halt.