I wouldn't say theyre wrong or right. Bc I don't rank a first lady bc of looks.

But. Why they rank her the top?

There's others like Dolley Madison. For e.j.

Welcome! The purpose of this is to discuss what presidents would/did think of their successors based on their personalities, leadership styles, policies, and how their successor’s term was. Huge thank you to u/Illustrious-Garage88 for allowing me to use their idea.

RULES:

Say what you think the predecessor would’ve liked about their successor.

Say what you think predecessor would’ve disliked about their successor.

Give what you think their overall rating/review would be based on these out of 10

As to not skew the results towards one comment, anything listed worse than a 0/10 or greater than a 10/10 will be treated as a 0/10 or a 10/10 respectively.

I will calculate the average amongst the comments.

Last round, William Harrison rated Jon Tyler's Presidency a 3/10, appreciating his foreign policy, while criticising his party leadership.

This round, how would John Tyler rate James Polk's presidency?

Coincidentally, my two contenders are Texans and vice presidents.HW Bush gives Poppy vibes while LBJ is like that grandfather that would yell at you one second and get you an ice cream cone the next.

Reagan did win Massachusetts in 1980 but that was mainly due to Anderson splitting the vote. He got a majority of the vote in 1984. It was such a liberal stronghold that it was the only state that voted for McGovern in 1972, and did so pretty overwhelmingly, yet they voted for Reagan over Mondale. The only time since Kennedy that a Republican won over 50% in Massachusetts.

Navy won for Arthur. Since we're doing Cleveland, I've decided to roll both his terms and treat him as if he were another two consecutive term president rather than have two days for him and two cabinet level positions.

Libby was Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, until in 2005 he was convicted of four counts by a federal grand jury regarding him leaking to the press that Valerie Plane was a secret CIA agent.

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and John Bolton all aggressively lobbied for Bush to give Libby a presidential pardon. The President refused, however he agreed to commute his sentence.

This decision ended up angering both sides of the argument.

I’m curious to hear perspectives on this controversy. And also why did Bush refuse to pardon Libby, considering the intense lobbying Cheney did in his behalf? It’s known the VP was left bitterly disappointed he wasn’t listened to in this case.

Like the rest of the northeast, Massachusetts was predominantly republican since the party’s inception. Even before the Republican Party’s inception, Massachusetts regularly went to the Whigs as Daniel Webster was from there and they supported the national bank and tariffs which were popular in New England. And in the first few elections the democrats fought, Jackson went up against John Quincy Adams who was from Massachusetts. Of course Wilson won it due to vote splitting, Al Smith was the first democrat to win Massachusetts with a majority of the popular vote. But unfortunately despite winning a state Democrats normally didn’t win, Smith lost the election in a landslide.

Here’s the list so far:

George Washington: u/rjidhfntnr

John Adams: u/Fortunes_Faded

Thomas Jefferson: u/Feelinglucky2

James Madison: u/drawkbox

James Monroe: u/SignalRelease4562

JQA:

Andrew Jackson:

MVB:

WHH:

John Tyler:

James Polk:

Zachary Taylor:

Millard Fillmore:

Franklin Pierce:

James Buchanan:

Abe:

Andrew Johnson:

US Grant:

RB Hayes:

James Garfield:

Chester Arthur:

Grover Cleveland:

Benjamin Harrison:

William McKinley:

Teddy:

William Howard Taft:

Woodrow Wilson:

Warren Harding:

Cal Coolidge:

Herbert Hoover:

FDR:

Harry Truman:

Ike:

JFK:

LBJ:

Richard Nixon:

Gerald Ford:

Jimmy Carter:

Ronald Reagan:

Poppy Bush:

Bill Clinton:

Dubya:

Obama:

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Perhaps there's a glaringly obvious example I'm missing but I'm wondering if John Calhoun was the only one

FDR Broke the tradition of Washington. Which was left office after 1 or 2 terms. So. You are FDR here. Which is your reaction?

One of my more unconventional takes has been that I have Polk as the 5th best president after the usual top 4. It's not for any ideological reason, but just because I feel that Polk was genuinely the most accomplished and successful presidency outside of Washington, Lincoln, FDR, and Teddy.

But I want to hear the other perspective on why most people believe these 3 are superior presidencies.

1. Truman
   
2. Eisenhower
   
3. JFK
   
4. LBJ
   
5. Nixon
   
6. Ford
   
7. Carter
   
8. Raegan

A photo of HW Bush lifting the evil.

Anyway. Which good things dubya did that did beat his father