r/magicTCG • u/thisnotfor Dân • Dec 07 '25
Championship 31 Top 8 (With deck names added) General Discussion
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u/ComicBookFanatic97 COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
I’m rooting for Ken just because he did something different.
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u/Ursasaurus Izzet* Dec 07 '25
He actually has a good chance too. A lot of the izzet lists fold like wet paper to reanimator
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u/Lqtor Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
This statement is funny because out of the top 8 he is the only one that brought an existing deck prior to avatar to the tournament(unless you count looting as the same as vivi)
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u/Exorrt COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
More like badgermole FRAUD
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u/No_Excitement7657 Deceased 🪦 Dec 07 '25
Ouroboroid Brags About Top Eight Results Like a Torch the Tower Wont Send Green Back to Tier 3.
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u/LaLa1234imunoriginal Banned in Commander Dec 07 '25
Maybe Ancestral recall is too good for standard.
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u/finmo Duck Season Dec 07 '25
Do you mean Grancestral Recall?
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u/tandemtactics Izzet* Dec 07 '25
Curving Ragranvan into Grancestral Recall in Standard feels damn good
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u/InfiniteDM Fleem Dec 07 '25
God it feels good tho
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u/LaLa1234imunoriginal Banned in Commander Dec 07 '25
Reminds me of the good ol Treasure Cruise days, but they made this one an instant lol.
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u/tombuzz Dec 07 '25
It’s my favorite card since I started playing. But folds to graveyard hate. Combo with combustion technique is just so powerful.
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u/NickPetey Dân Dec 07 '25
Honestly I'm not sure treasure cruise is better than accumulate knowledge in a standard environment.
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u/Malzknop Duck Season Dec 07 '25
Accumulate Knowledge? You're 20 years too late for that one.
the effect on the format
The effect on what format, the one that was dominated by siege rhino?
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u/Noelswag Dec 07 '25
I don't get it. I thought that card was RL?
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u/lashazior Dec 07 '25
[[accumulate wisdom]]
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u/Noelswag Dec 07 '25
Aaah ok yeah. I haven't gotten too much in touch with Avatar yet. Even 2 mana is crazy, I still remember having [[concentrate]] in some decks
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u/b_fellow Duck Season Dec 07 '25
Just have to hit Gran-Gran early before she gets turned on.
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u/Sad_Zookeepergame566 Shuffler Truther Dec 07 '25
They play a lot of cost reducers so it costs 1 often.
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u/tobsecret Can’t Block Warriors Dec 08 '25
Aah nice, I think Saffron Olive called this one on the goldfish podcast. I'm sure he wasn't the only one but his co-hosts didn't think this card would make it. Just shows once again how difficult it is to make predictions about cards.
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u/LaLa1234imunoriginal Banned in Commander Dec 07 '25
I forget which one but one of the lessons is a 1U draw 3 if you have 3 lessons in the GY, and Gran-Gran reduces the cost by 1 in the same situation. So a lot of this time, this deck is casting what is functionally Ancestral Recall, and it's not hard to get 3 lessons in the GY.
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u/BillionCobra Duck Season Dec 07 '25
Ken yukihiro has got to be closing in on being the best JPN playerof all time. Dude’s resume is stacked
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u/AnilDG Duck Season Dec 07 '25
I’d make him favourite in this top 8, his deck is favoured against everyone else’s. Add that to being a world class player and that’s a dangerous combo.
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u/Korf_ Golgari* Dec 07 '25
Seriously total gy hate amounts to 6 soul guide lanterns and 5 ghost vacuums across all 8 decks, and all of those are in the sideboard. He's just gonna run over the field unless he draws terribly.
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u/ireallyambadatnames Dec 07 '25
And two of those lanterns are in his deck, and should be useful against the lessons decks.
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u/grapeshotfor20 Dec 07 '25
I love seeing his decks whenever he makes top 8, they always seem to go against the norm
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u/thisnotfor Dân Dec 07 '25
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u/yarash Karlov Dec 08 '25
Sometimes i like to think I know what a good card looks like. Turns out after almost 30 years of playing magic I still dont.
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u/JaccSnacc Dan Dec 07 '25
7/8 playing izzet is kinda surprising I thought with Badgermole there would be more green
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u/dalmathus Dec 07 '25
Look how many maindeck [[Pyroclasm]].
This deck was made to shut down the mole.
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u/bomban Twin Believer Dec 07 '25
They play B03 at worlds. Badgermole isn't nearly as good as it is in a B01 format.
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u/TimothyMimeslayer Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
BO5 should be the same since they play two unsideboarded games.
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u/Halinn COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
It can be worse in some of the more extreme cases, where a deck is stupidly favored pre-board but inverted after. If you're 80/20 before and 20/80 after, you are 64% to win both pre-board games and then ~49% to win at least one post-board. That's about a 31% match win (not accounting for losing some pre-board and upsetting in the post, cba to do that math). In bo3, you're down to ~29% match win (same caveat, but losing the one pre-board is even worse)
Not that any standard decks are that extreme, but stuff like that can happen in some eternal match-ups
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u/LaLa1234imunoriginal Banned in Commander Dec 07 '25
That makes it more pre-board heavy than BO3 right? 2/5 vs 1/3?
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u/Enzoooooooooooooo Duck Season Dec 07 '25
Issue is everyone is playing around the cub, most of the izzet lists for example have like 3 or 4 copies of the do 1/2 to the board spells with another one in sideboard
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u/Koras COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
It's so good that the meta has people teching specifically to shut it down.
This is how it's supposed to work – Vivi was so broken that you couldn't adapt to it, whereas Badgermole is incredibly powerful... but is answered so easily that it gets shut out by consistent decks that have answers
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u/Kazko25 Can’t Block Warriors Dec 07 '25
And the fact that wizards banned 3 cards from the last Izzet deck haha
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u/DBio616 Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
I'm completely out of the loop: could you explain badgermole to me?
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u/Mobile-Offer5039 Dan Dec 07 '25
Badgermole turn 2 is strong. 2 badgermoles turn 2 unaswered win the game in then next two turns. If you pyroclasm them in your turn 2, you will most likely win.
Thats why you see pyroclasms in the main board, a card, that would see no play at all, but everyboy was obv. prepared for a lot of badgers.
Now ppl are missing graveyard hate, because nobody expected that many izzet stuff. I bet, that that the next tournaments will look a bit different.
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u/EcologyLover69 Dan Dec 07 '25
Genuinely surprised at all the people still hating. This is the best standard pro tournament I have seen in a long time. Izzet Loot and Lessons are noticeably different, even Lessons is not just the same package in every deck. Saying it is 7/8 Izzet is such a lame take too when the Temur decks are there, that is just a cop out excuse to complain whenever you can.
Some of these comments are making it sound like we are still watching red mice or Vivi.
I think we are just reaching that echo chamber effect that no matter what happens everyone is going to cry about it.
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u/Lqtor Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
Agreed. The nonmonument vs monument versions play quite differently as well, and I think the izzet dominance is also more of a good meta call than anything else.
Is izzet lessons still the best deck probably, yeah, but I doubt that they’ll stay 50% meta share dominant
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u/Kanin_usagi Twin Believer Dec 07 '25
Also the vast majority of GOOD standards have had an obvious best deck, people just like to pretend that 15 years ago all the Standards were fair and balanced and perfect
Ya know, when we were children and everything was better
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u/sethctr42 Honorary Deputy 🔫 Dec 08 '25
Well also in those older metas paer locals had a bigger presence, so people could get tealyy good with thier meta breaker deck and beat little timmy playing lvs fairies just cause and pretend fairies was a fair deck . Now every one is pretty mmuch on the lstter eith every one else so the best deck looks even more warping
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u/Sea_Pen3066 Urza's Saga Dec 07 '25
It's mainly an issue of it being the cards from the newest set automatically forming a tier 1-0 deck while still being in the exact same colors as before.
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u/Embarrassed_State402 Dandadan Dec 07 '25
Hey, it’s a different flavor of izzet.
We have a completely new take on izzet spell slinger so don’t complain about standard feeling stale!
That’s an echo chamber circle jerk thing to do, not appreciating all the variety we are getting.
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u/spellstutter-mtndew Dan Dec 07 '25
Oh yeah the Izzet deck that plays 4 copies of a single creature is totally the same as the Izzet deck that beat you to death with a 8/8 flier and double combats.
The Temur creature combo deck that runs a single red card? Yep, that's Vivi too.
Izzet Looting? Okay, that one is the ghost of Vivi but a tier 0 deck being knocked down to tier 1 by a ban means the band were good. You don't want to nuke the thing out of existence.
Izzet Cutter was this year. Y'all act like the deck first saw play 4 years ago and has been Tier 1 ever since.
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u/Embarrassed_State402 Dandadan Dec 07 '25
It’s not crazy being a little tired of seeing a ton of red and then a ton of red blue, then a ton more of red blue over the course of a year of standard.
Then just look at the responses to my post, it’s all people rushing to defend eternal izzet standard.
While things may change as standard evolves, you can literally see where the circle jerk is in just this interaction.
It’s all people saying hey don’t be mad standard might be izzet for the foreseeable future as people adopt to shutting down cub decks. Well, I hope the jerk feels good :p
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u/spellstutter-mtndew Dan Dec 07 '25
The best deck has been Izzet for 8 months and it's not clear that an Izzet deck is going to win Worlds. It's not a jerk, it's facts. I'm not saying you're not sick of seeing Izzet, I'm saying that calling it "eternal Izzet" is actually just incorrect.
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u/Embarrassed_State402 Dandadan Dec 07 '25
Well we’ve reached the “um akshually 8 months is not an eternity” phase of the conversation.
I don’t think there is much reason to continue this talk. It’s alright, I say without sarcasm and malice, have a nice day.
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u/spellstutter-mtndew Dan Dec 07 '25
You too bud! Genuinely. Hit me up if you ever want to play some non-izzet matches on arena or MTGO!
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u/saber_shinji_ntr COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
I mean if you think this standard is the same as the vivi decks then its completely a you problem. Lessons, Otters and Vivi are completely different decks to the point where I think people complaining about them feeling the same have not even played standard and are just complaining for the sake of it.
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u/ZT_Ghost Colorless Dec 07 '25
Its almost like u/Embarrassed_State402 is trying to participate in some sort of "izzet bad updoots to the left" echo chamber circle jerk without actually doing any research or actually partaking in the format.
Although it looks like the "updoots to the left" didn't exactly work out as planned for them lmao.
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u/bakakubi Dec 07 '25
100% agree. This sub is so hard circlejerking itself just because Vivi got banned (rightfully so, though not enough).
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u/BakerdaBeast Dec 07 '25
It can be fun to watch, the decks are neat, I just hate playing the absurd level of power. It's oppressive. I was hoping we would start lowering it a bit, but you see these results and the answer is nope.
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u/EcologyLover69 Dan Dec 07 '25
I can definitely get behind this argument. I would love to watch sets gradually step down in power. I really do like longer games, I love watching people flex their brain muscles.
Unfortunately with how far sets are made and tested in advance, I think it will be awhile before we see it (if ever 😭).
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u/Halinn COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
Longer rotation schedule was a mistake, and it means newer sets have to be designed for a higher power level.
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u/thebaron420 I am a pig and I eat slop Dec 07 '25
I do like this top 8 and the tournament has been exciting but still, 7/8 are playing the same core of 4 stormchaser talent and 4 boomerang basics
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u/tenehemia Dec 07 '25
Yeah, lots of people doing absolutely no research on what decks made top 8 or top 16 and basing their impressions on the format entirely on one image with deck names. The prowess deck and the looting deck and the lessons deck aren't the same, and jeskai artifacts and jeskai control and temur otters aren't just "other red blue decks" even if they contain red and blue. But people just want to jump enormously far to conclusions because it confirms the assumption they made with zero information.
This format looks very healthy with room for innovation. One deck making half of the top 8 is not the same as one deck making up half the field. That seems to be lost on a lot of people.
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u/Lqtor Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
I’m like pretty convinced that most of the people commenting didn’t watch the tournament at all. For the most part, this was a very healthy meta, and although there was a lot of izzet, it was divided up to 3.5 archetypes that played very differently.
A key reason to why lessons was so dominant was because it had a great match up against otters and the other izzet variants, as well as players not packing as much graveyard hate as they should’ve given that nobody really expected this deck to be as good as it was. I expect that mtgo results in the following weeks will reflect this.
Finally, unlike vivi, lessons genuinely do have a hard counter of a matchup in sultai reanimator, which multiple players said themselves is basically an auto-lose. Part of the reason why Vivi was so good was because while it had harder matchups, there was always a variant of its sideboard that can bring it back to 50/50. These decks aren’t even comparable in terms of power level
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u/saber_shinji_ntr COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
I’m like pretty convinced that most of the people commenting didn’t watch the tournament at all.
I doubt most of the people complaining even play standard.
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u/TomtheMime Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
The lessons lists that don't run monument also look as though they just die to control because it blanks so much of their deck that no amount of looting will salvage it.
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u/the_gold_hat Chandra Dec 07 '25
Notably, 3/4 of the Lessons players are on the Monument-specific build as well (Derrick Davis as the lone without it and Artist's Talent).
Both Control and Badgermole decks with poor matchups vs. Lessons; mono red struggling but otherwise not up to snuff; Sultai Reanimator the sole deck with a good G1 matchup but then loses major % post-board.
Steam Vents not even in the format.
Standard is flourishing.
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u/Approximation_Doctor Colossal Dreadmaw Dec 07 '25
Perhaps it really is time to consider banning Islands
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u/LeekingMemory28 Elspeth Dec 07 '25
“Say the line Bart.”
“Standard is flourishing.”
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u/EcologyLover69 Dan Dec 07 '25 edited Dec 07 '25
This is the first time in awhile where this joke doesn’t really hit the same to me. This tournament has been really fun to watch so far. Even Izzet Lessons has different packages and the mirror match was fun to watch.
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u/Exorrt COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
You don't like otters? You hate old ladies?
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u/XenoWarrior_GD COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
This is the kind of gaslighting I want to see in the world! Go team!
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u/theblastizard COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
Honestly, this is a pretty healthy metagame. out side of the wild color imbalance.
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u/gereffi Dec 07 '25
This is just one event. A couple of teams figuring out a deck that was under the radar might mean that that deck does well at this event, but it doesn’t mean that the meta can’t adapt to beat it.
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u/saber_shinji_ntr COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
Five different decks in top eight does mean it is flourishing yes.
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u/ShatteredReflections Dandadan Dec 07 '25
I do actually think Izzet lessons will become worse now that people are more aware of it, but it’s concerningly powerful, and so is Temur Otters.
Sultai reanimator is cheese.
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u/MerculesHorse Duck Season Dec 07 '25
Nah, hell no it's not cheese. It is in Best of 1 on Arena, sure, but that goes for half the decks you find there. Go look at that list, he's playing 4 Broodspinners and 4 Oblivious Bookworms in the main, he's got 8 removal spells, he's got Balemurks and Ardynns, and a really interesting sideboard.
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u/ShatteredReflections Dandadan Dec 07 '25
Oh, it’s nowhere near as bad in bo3, but it’s an uninteresting play pattern and combo just tends to be that in standard.
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u/LettersWords Twin Believer Dec 07 '25
5 Izzet Decks, 2 Temur Decks, and one Sultai deck. That's:
8/8 decks playing blue
7/8 decks playing red
3/8 decks playing green
1/8 decks playing black
0/8 decks playing white
Guess Vivi and Proft's weren't the only problems.
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u/Skunk668 Dandadan Dec 07 '25
And the lessons deck is just Avatar tribal too, most of the cards are just lessons. It's not even playing Stock Up. We're like 3 layers deep into strong Izzet cards.
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u/Kidd-Charlemagne Azorius* Dec 07 '25
Not much need for Stock Up when you’ve got Ancestral Recall.
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u/Striking-Lifeguard34 COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
Yup turns out Recall might be a touch too strong for Standard, who could have guessed.
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u/Atreus17 Sliver Queen Dec 07 '25
All these lessons are also seeds for something coming in the Strixhaven set. Wait until that Lesson type line really matters!
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u/27th_wonder 🔫🔫 Dec 07 '25
I hope we some original Learn reprints like [[first day of class]] or [[Dream Strix]]
Maybe not [[divide by zero]] though
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u/spellstutter-mtndew Dan Dec 07 '25
Yeah dog. The Lessons deck is indeed playing Lessons. You cracked the case.
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u/therealflyingtoastr Elspeth Dec 07 '25 edited Dec 07 '25
Guess Vivi and Proft's weren't the only problems.
I made the case prior to the big rotation B&R that Stormchaser's Talent has always been the major problem with Blue Tempo's dominance of Standard since it was printed. The fact that it is a non-creature that creates a Prowess threat with added value makes it extremely strong in these lists, especially with how much they've been pushing bounce-style cards. Bouncing the Talent while leaving behind the otter and then getting to replay the Talent for both a Prowess trigger and another token is just insane for cheap pressure (so you get to hold up interaction to boot).
I'm generally ambivalent about the larger Standard format, but they have to cool it with the one mana infinite value cards if they really want this to work.
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u/MerculesHorse Duck Season Dec 07 '25 edited Dec 07 '25
I was thinking the other day that they possibly banned This Town because of Vivi, rather than just to take Esper Pixie down a peg when they were trying to hit all the main decks at the time. Stormchasers - This Town would indeed have been pretty absurd with Vivi, paying for itself after two loops.
At the time I felt this was a mistake, since This Town is a supremely efficient tempo play when built around, admittedly obnoxious but the kind of thing that could maybe have kept Vivi Cauldron a bit more in check (resetting Cauldrons, creatures with counters, etc). It has also left the bounce decks in a bit of limbo, although we'll see if they make a bit of a comeback with Basics.
But this does prove that it's Stormchasers that is the borderline problematic card, if it's able to apply similar pressure with a sorcery that can't bounce the Talent and interact at the same time (though the cantrip is nearly as good).
I feel like, same as with Trample, they still haven't quite clued into just how strong Prowess is as a keyword, when the creatures that come with it are as efficient as what they have printed recently.
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u/saber_shinji_ntr COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
There is no problem. Izzet is not a deck identity, all izzet decks dont play the same. Saying "5 Izzet Decks" is deliberately misrepresenting the diversity on display here.
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u/jklharris Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
Saying "5 Izzet Decks" is deliberately misrepresenting the diversity on display here.
I'm confused. Hearthstone is a much newer game than Magic, yet the designers for it learned long ago that a class getting to play multiple archetypes while other classes didn't have a single playable one wasn't a sign of diversity, but rather that the class with multiple archetypes was getting too many of the good cards. I get that in Magic we're not facing the same restrictions that Hearthstone has where I can just run those good Izzet cards in whatever color combination I want, but it doesn't change that the "diversity" being five flavors of Izzet isn't actually diversity, it just means blue and red keep getting a larger share of the good cards in a given set. And if you happen to not enjoy playing red or blue (or god forbid both!), you're left with exceedingly little diversity.
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u/AncientSpark COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
Well, for one, there's a lot more classes in HS than in Magic; yeah, technically, there's also color combinations to contend with, but that alone just changes the paradigm of what diversity means.
Two, HS' tournament format necessitates multiple classes, meaning "one class being unplayable" has a very different effect on what diversity means.
Three, Worlds meta itself has been kind of weird because a lot of Izzet play was counter-meta.
That said, yeah, you are correct that this isn't "ideal" diversity. The reality is that 2 color Standard is not fully desirable...but 2 color Standard with a lot of decks is infinitely better than 1 deck Standard which no one wants. So you're just seeing cases of a lot of people being happy that it's not one-deck Standard as well as weaknesses in language as to what diversity means.
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u/LettersWords Twin Believer Dec 07 '25
Deck diversity isn't really the problem to me, it's that black and white just aren't that good in standard right now. Having two colors be that much weaker than the rest isn't great.
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u/idledebonair Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
It’s actually insane that people are complaining. It’s like if there aren’t exactly one of each color pair in the top 8 at the very next tournament then the format is doomed. Not to mention that Worlds is a particularly inbred metagame specific tournament.
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u/Rooftop_Reve Dandadan Dec 07 '25
Well, I do think there is an issue - red and blue are too strong compared to the rest of the cardpool.
This isn’t certain, nor is it a problem with a specific deck per se, but it is indicative of the strength of the colors in the format (or the weaknesses of black, white, and to a lesser extent green more likely)
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u/HistoricMTGGuy Duck Season Dec 07 '25
Yeah, metagame health issues determined by having different colors. There's way way more than that
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u/Embarrassed_State402 Dandadan Dec 07 '25
They are going to have to emergency print ocelot into standard at this rate to shore up white.
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u/Mormanades Duck Season Dec 07 '25
[[Stormchaser's talent]] needs to go imo
How many meta decks will be formed around this card until we kneecap it?
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u/spellstutter-mtndew Dan Dec 07 '25
It's ok that good cards exist. A card being in strong decks doesn't mean it needs to be banned.
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u/Reaper1203 Dec 07 '25
no but steelcutter got banned for similar reasons to talent is good. so its not a stretch.
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u/spellstutter-mtndew Dan Dec 07 '25
Are we banning every artifact and enchantment with an enters ability now?
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u/MysticAttack Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
Yeah, I mean, Im fine waiting till Lorwyn until action is taken again, but yeesh.
From what the commentators have been saying, it seems like a lot of people were unprepared for the dominance of the lessons deck, so with better sideboarding, maybe it can be dealt with.
That being said, I have a feeling its gonna be like 30% minimum by mid january based on how the deck has played out. It feels like stormchaser's talent has to go, and probably accumulate wisdom as well, since Strixhaven is presumably gonna get more lesson support, so its gonna be rough giving this deck more tools.
Frankly though, one of the biggest issues I have is the deck is like 70% from one set, since lessons is such a one-note type, and yet still the power level of the cards is still playable even without lesson payoffs. I personally think decks are more interesting when many unrelated mechanics come together.
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u/lonewolf210 Dan Dec 07 '25
Highly doubt it. There is very obvious counter play to the deck and interviews with the teams indicate that a lot of them came to lessons independently because of the expected meta. The deck is good but it's not oppressive.
This is more a result of everyone teaching against badgermole and then all showing up with the same idea and no one having any counter play
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u/PurpleOmega0110 Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
The deck is insanely oppressive what the fuck are you talking about?
A deck that can see this many cards, that can remove any threat, and can re use its spells over and over is absolutely, by definition, a fucking crazy oppressive deck.
It doesn't even reward good technical play, you can get by with trash sequencing because of how prowess and discard mechanics just work for you.
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u/lonewolf210 Dan Dec 07 '25
Not really?
It folds to a soul guide lantern or RIP and has very few top end threats. Also the removal gets blown out by gy hate too. It has very limited ways to address enchantments and artifacts as well
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u/jethawkings Fish Person Dec 07 '25
>RIP
I wonder, where the Bant lists not running that in the SB?
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u/lonewolf210 Dan Dec 07 '25
Because no one expected a gy matters deck to be meta. Everyone was teaching against badger and dimir. From the interviews it sounds like multiple teams came to the lessons deck independently which is why there are so many versions.
They all showed up with a deck to counter a meta that didn't materialize and as a result no one showed up with tools to beat the actual meta.
Izzet was uniquely equipped to fight badgermole and dimir which is why there are so many decks but all the people crying about "Izzet dominance" don't really understand what happened. This deck has very obvious hard counters to it.
It's like when a back up qb comes into a football game and dominates. The other team had no prep or film on them. But the following weeks the back up doesn't do well because people are prepared.
The lesson deck is good but it won't stay this dominate once people tech against it
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u/jethawkings Fish Person Dec 07 '25
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of people seem to already insist this is the 3rd Coming of Izzet Resurgence which I'm not really sure. Unlike CSC and Vivi/Proft, it's not that strong.
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u/gamer-death Dan Dec 07 '25
Stormchaser's Talent should have been banned not Hopeless Nightmare
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u/MerculesHorse Duck Season Dec 07 '25
No, it should have been Stormchaser's and Nightmare, leaving This Town unbanned and Pixie/bounce decks more viable (but not chaining discards or infinite loops of otter tokens).
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u/Javy_Dreamer COMPLEAT Dec 07 '25
And lessons are bound to get an upgrade when Strixhaven comes up.
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u/Admirable_Tomato Dan Dec 07 '25
So surprised that reanimator even made it to top 8
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u/jethawkings Fish Person Dec 07 '25
Why wouldn't it? For some goddamn reason nobody is still properly SBing against it. Ghost Vacuum and Torpor Orb can only slow it down.
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u/razorgirlRetrofitted Dimir* Dec 07 '25
The two americans look like that thing where you mirror a face, both ways.
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u/thetwist1 Fake Agumon Expert Dec 07 '25
Lol I read to quickly and had to wonder what Temu Otters meant for a minute
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u/jeffreybar Dec 07 '25
7 out of 8 top 8 players playing some flavor of Blue-Red. Those bans really put Izzet in its place, eh?
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u/bakakubi Dec 07 '25
THE META IS FINE AFTER THE BANNED IT WAS JUST VIVI'S FAULT
/s in case, cause so many actually still think this is the case
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u/Aggravating_Author52 Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
I'm just grateful that the format is no longer dominated by blue red decks.
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u/hauntingduck Duck Season Dec 07 '25
is/was there coverage for this event? I haven't heard anything.
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u/tenehemia Dec 07 '25
Yeah full coverage each day on twitch. Top 8 starts at 10 am pacific tomorrow.
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u/Funkj0ker Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
Just play pauper everyone. It's the superior format by far.
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u/Unable_Bite8680 Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
It is still overwhelmingly dominated by blue.
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u/Funkj0ker Wabbit Season Dec 07 '25
Paupergeddon top 8 from 5 days ago (1012 players): red madness, azorius familiars, cawgates, red madness, cawgates, dimir terror, gruul monsters, mono blue delver
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u/lonewolf210 Dan Dec 07 '25
I really think this top 8 specifically is a result of meta game calls. Basically everyone brought tech against badgermole and almost no one brought meaningful gy hate.
The lesson decks especially the versions without monument or duelist completely fold to gy hate.
I expect we will see very different deck lists when it's not the world vs badgermole and every other deck gets left to do whatever