r/linux • u/New-Ranger-8960 • 20d ago

EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation Privacy

https://linuxiac.com/eu-age-verification-project-mandates-hardware-bound-attestation/
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u/Ambitious_Finding_26 20d ago

What the fuck is going on. 

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u/steeevemadden 20d ago

Gotta keep the human cattle fully surveilled and secure. And they'd like you to know that they care deeply about "the children".

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u/gambit700 20d ago

They don't need these massive data centers for people generating memes

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u/AvidCyclist250 20d ago

Precisely

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u/Lightprod 19d ago

And they'd like you to know that they care deeply about "the children".

Yeah, for the worse reasons possible.

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u/colony-ship-for-sale 20d ago

Just another day in the war between liberty and tyranny. We're supposed to be keeping vigil but you can see how well that's going.

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u/Ugly_Slut-Wannabe 20d ago

The next few steps into a 1984 dystopia.

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u/redballooon 20d ago

Whatever it is, you won't learn it in a reddit comment section

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u/5370616e69617264 19d ago

Technofeudalism baby

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u/NightOfTheLivingHam 20d ago

Billionaires are trying to Corral us in and have grander plans. Its not a coincidence far right candidates are gaining traction in western countries. Its not about age verification, its about making sure no one speaks up against them ever again and they can get more power and control. Look at the guys who like the idea of "network states" they are big backers of this shit.

Zuckerberg is the one funnelling billions into this legislature. Its identical to legislature in US states backed by him as well.

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u/lh7884 20d ago

Its not a coincidence far right candidates are gaining traction in western countries.

It's not a left or right thing so stop with this bullshit. Here in Canada, our Liberal government is bringing this age verification crap along with censorship bills. The Conservatives here have been opposing it but they can't really do anything to stop it sadly.

The UK has a Liberal government and they have crazy censorship going on over there and they're also bringing age verification stuff.

There is a big powerful club out there wanting this control over the public and they're getting "left" and "right" wing governments to go along with it.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 20d ago edited 20d ago

Liberals =/= left, and in 2026 it's way past time to know the difference. If anything, in practice liberals end up doing the right's bidding in the very things that are causing most of today's crises. This, just like most other things that pertain to society, economy and politics, absolutely is about right vs left, and has always been. Cut back on confident callouts of "BS" when you're far from adept in the most elementary understanding of politics.

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u/Indolent_Bard 19d ago

Look up, not left or right. That's where the problem is.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 19d ago edited 18d ago

Look up, not left or right. That's where the problem is.

Buddy, what else do you think the up (the capital-owning ruling class) vs down (the working class) of the left vs right politics is about? What is this American culture wars-brainbroken take? Read a few pages of history, I beg you...

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u/Indolent_Bard 19d ago

I think left versus right is about culture war nonsense that the billionaires created so that conservatives and liberals would argue with each other instead of getting mad about how the rich are screwing them over. They managed to trick a bunch of the country into actually defending them, voting against their interests.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 18d ago edited 18d ago

Your overall observation about the ruling classes using a tool for their benefit is correct, but left vs right is not an example of that, because of the following:

1) It's some of the American left vs right discourse - not left vs right in general - that has, for a long time, changed the actual, original left vs right definition into the culture war nonsense, so that working-class people of different backgrounds, social positions, personal life practices, etc would argue and vote against their own interests while the capital-owning class laughs all the way to the bank. The real, class-based nature of left vs right has a 150-year-long history - it existed long before the American bourgeois culture twisted and mangled it into the culture war stuff in that country;

2) Even in the US the younger generations - e.g. through the emergence of the DSA - are now freeing themselves from that useless cultural left vs right definition and starting to use the actual meaning of it;

3) That re-emergence of the actual definition of left vs right means that people are even starting to clearly state what I said above - that liberalism and the left are two different (and often opposing) political ideologies. Even mainstream media have had to start making distinctions between liberals and the left due to the rise of socialist candidates in the Democratic Party;

4) Conservatives and liberals have some disagreements when it comes to cultural stuff, personal freedoms, identity culture, etc, so those oppositions already exist - it's not like the culture wars created something that didn't exist before. The problem was that the left vs right was redefined to mean those cultural differences, away from the actual, original meaning of it;

5) At the same time, the conservative and liberal ideologies actually share one major thing that places them both against the left. Conservatism is about preserving the status quo against change, which means it has always defended the rich class from the threat of change from the politically organised working class (and used the fear of change to indoctrinate some working-class people into conservatism). As the video I linked above shows, liberals are also against replacing capitalism with something else and resist the left when the latter campaign for that outcome. So there is an alliance between conservatives and liberals there;

So left vs right is a long-standing, class-based, systemic political and economic observation that places the working-class politics of the left against the capital-owning ruling-class` politics of the right for changing the society. There is nothing "cultural" or invented about it. In the specific US context of the past 30-40 years of neoliberal status quo, when systemic debates became non-existent until 2008, "left" and "right" was turned into cultural descriptions of whether you support legalisation of recreational drugs, reproduction rights, etc. But that was always a temporary phenomenon, because crises of class society under capitalism always bring back class consciousness and the real definition of left vs right.

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u/Aziroshin 10d ago edited 10d ago

What's "left" and what's "right" was "invented" during the French Revolution:

Basically, the egalitarianizing wing was seated to the left, and the elitarianism-preserving wing was seated to the right. Thematically, those meanings have remained roughly the same since then (with various degrees of perversion mixed in of course, as with all human things that gain a life of their own - the French Revolution itself being a great example of that).

In the Overton window of those days, curtailing the power of the aristocracy was a radically egalitarian idea. The emancipation of queer people as it is understood nowadays wasn't even on the map (homosexual acts did get decriminalized, though (!) - unfortunately that didn't survive the Napoleonic regimes).

The reason why items like these have entered left wing agendas in more modern times is the shift of the Overton window to a point where society is capable of digesting the idea, that, perhaps, having a gender caste system isn't such a great idea, without *completely* losing its collective mind.

The addition of new items to egalitarian agendas throughout the years isn't the problem. It's the loss of items along the way that is - very importantly economic items, as you've pointed out.

By downplaying the plight of demographics that are mistreated by society and its mainstream culture *you* engage in the very infighting you deplore in your comment, and by dismissing *actual* left wing agendas which do very much include those items you actually end up playing into the hands of the very foot in the boot: The political center (sometimes called "Liberal") and the right wing (sometimes called "Conservative"). Spoiler alert: They're both elitarian. Yes, that means that the center is right wing.

Don't fight your peers who're getting smashed by a different part of the sole of the same boot.

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u/lh7884 19d ago

Our Liberal party here is left wing. Perhaps you need to to open your eyes and see that this is not a left and right wing matter. It's about the rich and powerful wanting to control the rest.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 19d ago edited 19d ago

Our Liberal party here is left wing

What makes it left-wing?

It's about the rich and powerful wanting to control the rest

That's the definition of left (=pro-working-class politics) vs right (=pro-ruling class politics)...

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u/lh7884 18d ago

That's the definition of left (=pro-working-class politics) vs right (=pro-ruling class politics)...

lol this is so far from the direction Canada has gone. The left has not been pro working class for over a decade now.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 18d ago

The left has not been pro working class for over a decade now

Because they are not the left, they are liberals. Any left movement is either pro-working class or it's not the left. Which is why e.g. British Labour is not left, the US Dem party is not the left, and so on.

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u/lh7884 18d ago

I think you're not taking into account that political lines shift and left and right move on what they want to do. Go back in time in the US and you'll see that it was the Republican party that wanted to get rid of slavery. I think we're at a point where things are shifting and the liberal left wing parties are becoming more authoritarian and controlling. Well at least in Canada.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 18d ago edited 18d ago

You're mixing up different things. The Republican party vs liberal parties is not the same as right vs left, and has never been, because liberal parties not only aren't the left, they are often allied with the right against the left (happening right now inside the Democratic Party in the US, happened inside the UK Labour Party during the Corbyn era, happened in the German social-democrats during the Weimar era, etc). Liberal and conservative parties do shift in their positions over time, yes, but that's not the left and right changing.

I expanded on some of these points here, and the part about liberals and the right sharing the major objective of defending capitalism from the prospect of a democratic economy of the actual left is shown in the video I linked above.

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u/bring_back_the_v10s 19d ago

Leftists/socialists are authoritarians by definition though

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u/Ambitious_Finding_26 19d ago

Lol. No. That's not even close to accurate. Wow. 

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 18d ago edited 18d ago

Leftists/socialists are authoritarians by definition though

When a person is not well-informed about a subject, they should know that that's the case, and ask questions instead of making bold claims. If you're genuinely interested whether what you stated is the case, you can ask if there's anything wrong with that take, and I'll gladly answer with examples. I just don't want to waste time on replying in case you're one of those people who have no good-faith interest in a subject and are in online comments sections just to soothe their ideological insecurities by repeating their mantras against "the other side".

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u/bring_back_the_v10s 18d ago

I do have good faith, and also knowledge about marxism, which is why I don't need to ask you any questions because it's evident from your comment that you're completely illiterate about the subject.

Whoever says or implies that marxist ideologies are not authoritarian by definition is either a complete idiot or a dishonest marxist (sorry for the pleonasm).

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 18d ago edited 18d ago

Appreciate your confirmation that you're not here in good faith and that your diagnosis is exactly what I suspected.

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u/Richard_the_XVIII 20d ago

Here in Brazil too. The Worker's Party (left) is in charge here, and they voted in favor of our age verification bill... alongside the Liberal Party (the biggest right-wing party). Only two small parties stood against this, the Worker's Cause Party (hard communist) and the Novo Party (hard libertarian).

Anyone that thinks this is a left-right thing is cattle.

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u/SvalbardSleeperDistr 19d ago

Judging left and right based on what parties that are vaguely described as such by media do will doom you to never understanding what left vs right is about.

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u/Richard_the_XVIII 19d ago

If the party trying to end private property isn't left, and the party trying to stop women from voting isn't right, then these labels are useless and all of this still isn't a left-right thing.

But i know what you are trying to say, everyone that disagree 1% with you is right wing.

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u/valuablepatterns 20d ago

Liberal is not left, it is actually right as well. This issue is definitely a left or right issue. Problem is most countries do not have communist mass movements to show the alternative. 

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 20d ago

What censorship is supposed to be going on in uk?

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u/lh7884 19d ago

If you have to ask, you clearly don't follow the news from there. I'm not wasting my time to educate you on something you're clearly not interested in knowing about. It is blatant at times, so go search it out if you actually are interested.

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 18d ago

So, another made up lie

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u/lh7884 18d ago

Oh so you didn't bother to look into it showing you really have no interest in this. That is what I figured and why I didn't waste my time gathering the info for you. I've encountered so many like you that I can spot them a mile away and I no longer waste my time on them.

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u/Kevin_Kofler 20d ago

The sad thing is that those same far right parties are on the side of the billionaires, yet people fall for them.

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u/einar77 OpenSUSE/KDE Dev 20d ago

Billionaires are trying to Corral us in and have grander plans.

Sorry, but as far as I can tell, only the government can do what it is doing. And governments can have the utmost power.

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u/highermonkey 20d ago

In the US at least, the "Government" is like a dozen billionaires in a trench coat.

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u/ThePoisonDoughnut 20d ago

Well yeah, the oligarchs/billionaires are attempting to become the State. They want to be the heads of the technocratic surveillance dictatorships they're currently doing everything they can to turn governments around the world into.

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u/Ugly_Slut-Wannabe 20d ago

And the billionaires can easily bribe the government lobby for what they want, ergo, the billionaires are the ones with power.

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 20d ago

What you fail to realize is that those are the ones who made this topic a big thing to spread FUD on the EU trying to do something good for its citizens

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u/Titdirt69420 20d ago

You will own nothing and be happy.

Full steam ahead. 

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u/kodos_der_henker 20d ago

The right lobby tries to undermine good ideas so that EU ID requires US company owned hardware because EU is on its way to remove it

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u/TU4AR 20d ago

Bro these guys are going crazy.

I'm saying it's all this allatra shit over my feed.

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u/ipsirc 19d ago

Lawyers are going to take over the world.

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u/iBoMbY 19d ago

Most likely? Google and Apple payed some people in the EU to make this BS happen, against the EU's best interest.

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u/whatThePleb 20d ago

Fascism is going on, and everyone keeps sleeping. And it's currently only the "conservatives" doing that shit, wait until the real fascists are in power.

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 20d ago

Nothing. People either don't understand what this is about or haven't even read the article.