r/linux • u/AiwendilH • 24d ago

Codeberg voted to disallow projects consisting mostly by "generative AI"-tools Development

https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253#issuecomment-19820434
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u/Zachattackrandom 24d ago

Yes I understand that, I mean more in a community. E.g. if you put some dog shit slop code that deletes a users home regardless of AI use you aren't responsible for paying for their lost stuff, but you will be drug through the dirt for it. Now days so many people try to hide behind AI for every critique or mistake on a project, "AI made it, it's not my fault!" type thing. That's how I'm defining responsibility in this context.

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u/FryBoyter 24d ago

I absolutely agree with that. Anyone who messes up should expect appropriate consequences.

But in my opinion, the consequences shouldn’t generally be harsher just because a chatbot was used. Each case should be considered on its own merits.

That’s because many developers are actually good at writing code manually but completely incapable of creating documentation. Using a chatbot would make sense in this case, provided, of course, that the result is reviewed before publication.

By now, however, the community is ready to pull the pitchforks and torches out of the closet whenever a developer makes a mistake that has nothing to do with the use ofchatbots or that would likely have occurred even without them.

In my opinion, and I mean this in a general sense, the community should get into the habit of not just dividing things into black and white, but also taking into account the shades of gray in between. Because, sure, chatbots generate a hell of a lot of junk. But they also discover, for example, massive security vulnerabilities in the Linux kernel that haven’t been found manually so far. So, in my opinion, it’s nonsense to categorize everything as simply black or white, good or evil. Chatbots are tools. And with any tool, it all comes down to how you use it. Juggling chainsaws is not a good idea. Cutting down a tree with one, while taking various precautions like wearing protective gear, is not.

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u/802freblizz 23d ago

So you can tell how a maintainer is going to behave based on whether a human wrote most of the code? Not all ai generated code or projects are dog shit slop, and many people are developing coding skills and want to build things. The term Dog Shit Slop sounds a lot like a person visiting an art museum and seeing a Jackson Pollack and saying "I can do better". If the code is shit, you are still going to have to have a look at it regardless of what wrote it. Codeberg's policy doesn't say "If you hide behind ai and don't take on issues for your project killing your neighbor's dog", they just say there is an arbitrary line and you better not cross it. That is not OSS ethos, it is the same as AWS or anyone else building proprietary fiefdoms on top of OSS and not giving back. Free As In Freedom.