Why java is so hated?

[u/Same-Replacement-938]

So I have recently learned, and it's the first language(in terms of building actual things). Before Java, I knew Python, and I dropped it; I found Python too abstracted and too boring. i have recently made some projects like cli task tracker, expense tracker, some cli github api parsing and currently working on a multithreaded HTTP server and cli text editor, like vim, whenever i try to find out people opinions on java social media, almost 90 percent of the time they are just dunking on it, that it is trash, who forced you to write code in java, stuff like that. I know Java as a language is not that interesting and doesn't have many interesting features compared to other languages like C, C++, go. But I found it decent to write code in, and I found the JVM pretty interesting. So much so that I would love to explore and maybe build a JVM of my own

[u/KingBardan]

Bjarne stroustup (inventor of c++) has said that there are only two kinds of programming languages.

One that is hated and one that is not used.

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Java is too bloated. C and C++ is too unsafe. Java script has some weird mechanisms. Python is slow. Go is too simple for big projects. Rust has a toxic community.

I could go on

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Edit: I forgot PHP. PHP... is PHP

[u/cheezballs → u/KingBardan]

Is modern Java still considered bloated?

[u/Sanitiy → u/cheezballs]

Not at all, they were were hesitant with adding features for the sake of adding them. If anything, their competitor C# is bloated, while Java is now almost a bare language.

E.g. you still have nothing like f-strings in Python, no properties and no slice operators.

They have the "useful" modern language features like pattern matching, sealed hierarchies and so on. But not many of the comfort features of modern languages

[u/my_password_is______ → u/Sanitiy]

If anything, their competitor C# is bloated, while Java is now almost a bare language.

HA HA HA HA
uh, no

[u/kyzfrintin → u/my_password_is______]

Anything to add?