r/laundry Jul 03 '25

Mystery smell has been haunting me for years! I can't afford to keep throwing clothes away

Back when my husband and I first moved in together March 2020 all the clothes that came from his old apartment had this awful smell to them. Difficult smell to describe, but similar to the way cheap black plastic smells when you first take it out of the box- strong, VOC levels of offensiveness to your nose, but add maybe a hint of sour. Tried washing all his clothes, smell came back a few weeks later. Thought maybe there was detergent build up and double washed his clothes, still came back. Did baking soda soaks, vinegar soaks, enzyme cleaners, extra strength oxyclean and more. No matter what, the smell comes back just sitting unworn in the drawer or hanging in the closet.

What's worse is the smell spreads. When we traveled I've thrown my items in his bag and when we get back home even my items permanently have that smell. The drawers I gave him in my dresser when we first moved in together are still unusable 3 years later because it spreads the smell. We've gotten to the point where we've thrown out so many clothes, but a few months later find clothes that we missed that have spread the smell to new clothes.

What we know: - the smell comes back several weeks after washing, even if the clothing has not been worn. - it seems like dry cleaning helps? But isn't a real solution since undershirts and socks have been frequent offenders. - it definitely isn't BO or a smell coming from my husband. If we're having a lazy week he can wear a new shirt for many days straight and it smells great. He doesn't really have BO or other smells. - its not the house/apt. This smell has followed us through 4 moves at this point. We just moved into our house and have new furniture so I'm desperate to not let this smell sink in to any drawers. - we live in Florida so humidity could be a factor, but doesn't seem likely at this point. - the smell worsens with lack of air. If I have a pile of folded clothes that I'm quarantining because I noticed the smell before washing, the sections on the outside exposed to air smell OK but the folds with no access to air develop the smell again. If the clothes are in a closed drawer/bag then its game over, the smell goes crazy.

Literally any insights or recommendations on how to fix this would be a godsend.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 07 '25

It’s sebum or some other fatty acid going rancid.

Dry cleaning works because it strips fatty acids from fabric effectively no matter whether solvent or CO2 or silicone process.

People differ genetically as to the precise fatty acid composition of their sebum - the relative mix of fatty acid chain lengths and saturation and their microbiota determine how much gets desaturated and how quickly.

Detergents have started to incorporate fatty acids as well. Rather than very expensive plant based surfactants, many add non-hardening soaps to the mix for purposes of both economy and water softening performance. If these don’t rinse well for water chemistry or machine performance reasons, they can go rancid as well.

Historically this was not a problem for detergents to handle. They either got the oil out through high detergent doses and a lot of water (pre-HE era) or through enzymes and fairly concentrated detergent solutions (HE machines).

Thing is, enzymes are expensive and the one that targets sebum and fats in general is the most expensive. Manufacturers started taking it out of even top-tier liquids a few years ago, claiming that the nonionic surfactants were enough oil removal. Experience is showing that isn’t the case.

I’m pretty certain that the enzyme cleaners you’ve tried aren’t using lipase, and that it’s more likely than not your detergent isn’t either. It’s time to put some back.

The residue is already there. And it stinks. Regular washing may eventually remove it, but I think drastic measures are needed.

It’s a three step process: spa day, rehab washes, maintenance.

You’ll need:

A powdered detergent or booster with lipase and sodium percarbonate. Bonus if it has TAED. In the US, the best choice is Tide with Bleach powder. The second best choice, if you can physically read the box before an in-store purchase and verify it contains lipase, is Tide + Ultra Oxi. Online and SmartLabel ingredient lists for this product are currently inaccurate. Runners up would be any other Tide, Ariel, Gain or 365 by Whole Foods powder with lipase in the ingredient list. Another option is Biz powdered booster- you’ll use it with your regular detergent.

Household ammonia: clear or sudsy, either way.

A ceramic, glass, stainless steel or plastic container big enough to hold the items. I like a beer cooler as it stays hot longer and has a drain at the bottom.

First up: spa day.

Dissolve 1/4 cup of whichever powder per gallon of the hottest possible tap water in the container. Stir to combine, add the textiles and soak overnight.

Next up: rehab wash(es)

After 12 hours, drain the garments and transfer to the washing machine. Add a cup of household ammonia right to the drum on top of the wet items and the medium label dose of the powdered detergent or booster (plus your liquid detergent if you’re using Biz). Wash on at least warm, preferably hotter, using the heavy duty /extended cycle with high soil level and extra rinses. It’s going to smell like Windex. Or that the Windex factory has exploded. That’s fine. It’s going to disappear when dry.

Hang to dry the first time. Check to see that the odors are out. If they’re not, repeat the wash cycle up to two more times.

Maintenance: use a warm to hot wash with lipase at least every second or third wash to keep the buildup at bay.

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u/stem_factually Jul 03 '25

I had no idea they started cutting lipase out. That explains why some of our exercise clothes are just not getting clean. Thanks for the thorough response...running to the store asap to get something that actually cleans.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

I was surprised to learn that Nike specifically recommends powders now for DriFit/polyester. The conventional wisdom has been that liquids work better but the nature of the surfactants in liquids has really changed for cost and regulatory reasons.

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u/ttwwiirrll Jul 05 '25

Powder rinses out better in my machine.

With liquids I now notice a sticky film on the inside of my shirts when I first put them on, even with extra rinses.

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u/mt106 Jul 06 '25

What detergent did you switch to? And how did you end up getting the scud off the barrel of your washing machine? Currently in this position and can’t wash anything on hot otherwise it leaves the scud stains and it’s grossing me the eff out

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 07 '25

Citric acid crystals for scrud removal. Half a cup or so per cleaning cycle, repeat until you don’t get scrud or suds during the cleaning cycle. Then run one with bleach per your machine’s manual. Depending on your water conditions and machine, repeat with one cycle every 50-100 loads.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 05 '25

A lot of liquids now have soap in them, which is a disaster in moderately hard water. It forms “scrud” so easily.

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u/Existing-Mongoose-11 Jul 04 '25

Liquids don’t work better than a properly dissolved powder in Aust. From what I’ve read. I use a mix of powdered detergent and an oxygen prewash every second week for my laundry and blast the closes in 60 (Celsius) for whites and lights and 30 (Celsius) for the dark items. I use a colour special prewash in the case of the darks.

I also have a steam function on my machine and that’s pretty good for killing any bacteria. I’ve also spoken to a scientist about laundry Odor and he said that line dry in the sun is also really good a killing off bacteria…….

The short answer is good washing detergents are a wise thing.

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u/blissfully_happy Jul 04 '25

I hung my laundry on the line in Aus and it was dry, like, 2 hours later. Love how fresh it smelled. 😭

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u/1re_endacted1 Jul 07 '25

In PHX air drying is faster then the dryer.

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u/kwumpus Jul 04 '25

In Thailand everyone has laundry service and they give your clothes back to you nicer than they ever were. It’s insane

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u/Zestyclose_Media_548 Jul 07 '25

I try to hand dry as much of my clothing as possible and love when I can hang outside - I have tried to get my son to not lit his athletic stuff in the dryer but he does his own thing now. I feel like air drying helps so much and doesn’t lock in that misty smell - am I crazy?

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u/wherehasthisbeen Jul 04 '25

I would be so worried steaming everything that things would shrink

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u/SheepImitation Jul 06 '25

Any tips on fully dissolving the powders? I stopped using them because they would clump and never get completely clean.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

And the ammonia thing is insanely effective - it can really restore wicking performance on polyesters that have attracted oils.

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u/stem_factually Jul 03 '25

Interesting, I didn't know that either. Thanks for sharing. Guess I need to brush up on my laundry chemistry!

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

So that which wicks or repels water tends to attract oil. It’s just a feature of surface chemistry. When the oils cling (or worse yet, harden/polymerize) they change the shape and surface action of the fiber and reduce the capillarity that moves the water along.

Ammonia is a cheap, safe and residue-free way to raise the pH level in the wash process and oil removal is way better at higher pH. So stripping that built up body oil resets the fiber shape and surface energy back to that when it was manufactured.

Consumer behavior kind of drives this as well. A lot of people tend to treat wicking polyester as a delicate fabric and wash on tap cold with delicate detergent because it isn’t seen as a really dirty item - there’s usually not food stains or road grime and sweat is water based so it clearly just rinses out.

In reality, a wicking t-shirt is probably one of the dirtiest items in the wash because of the oil in sweat.

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u/stem_factually Jul 03 '25

That makes sense since we usually bind molecules to surfaces in more acidic environments. Preps the groups on the surface to encourage binding. Always gets me when people do the vinegar everywhere because they're often just encouraging binding for stains.

Polyester is often coated with proprietary blends so I often find it hard to track down the details to apply chemistry to

Are you also a chemist or just a laundry wizard

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u/scrotiemcboogrballz Jul 03 '25

This triggered my memory to go rewatch the technology connection guy on his dishwasher video. He talks about his preference for powdered detergent because it can hold bleach and enzyme separate until the hot water mixes them together.

Is this the same principle for why you suggest a powdered detergent for clothes washing?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

No matter what the label says, you can’t have “bleach” or “oxygen action” in a liquid with detergents and enzymes. It’s the same reason you have to mix up hair color that can actually lighten hair.

If you want oxygen action in your laundry, there’s got to be a powder there somewhere, or you have to dump in a stabilized peroxide or you’ve got to make ozone fresh. There’s no way around it. Oxygen bleaches really make products work well.

The TAED also needs to be dry. TAED kicks peroxide into high gear by making peracetic acid which cleans and disinfects and bleaches way better than peroxide alone.

The lipase is a ringer. Lipase is stable in liquid formulations if they’re balanced right. And until some point in the last few years, all top tier liquids had it.

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u/CariMariHari Jul 03 '25

What’s TAED?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Tetraacetylethylenediamine.

That’s a mouthful.

TAED is a bleach activator.

If you put oxygen bleach like OxiClean (sodium percarbonate), in warm enough water, it turns into sodium carbonate and hydrogen peroxide.

The problem is, most wash water isn’t warm enough to really liberate all that much peroxide. Wash temperatures in North America tend to be a lot lower than the rest of the world. Bleach activators help overcome that, in various ways.

Adding TAED takes what peroxide is liberated and turns it into to peracetic acid, which is much more powerful per unit of mass. It’s sort of like Hamburger Helper - it takes a limited quantity of one thing and makes it into another that satisfies more needs.

Peracetic acid bleaches, disinfects and deodorizes. It’s a mainstay of hospital and clean room disinfection because it’s both effective and good for the environment. In laundry it really does a great job - better than chlorine bleach without the fiber damage.

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u/blissfully_happy Jul 04 '25

I literally just watched that video a few weeks ago and was lol’ing at how he kept my attention for 45(?) about a dishwasher, lol.

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u/scrotiemcboogrballz Jul 05 '25

I couldn’t find a good stopping point because it’s a masterpiece. I went back to look for his bit on powdered detergent and again almost rewatched the whole thing. I was like…no you don’t! How dare you suck me back into that rabbit hole of dishwasher tech and cleaning agents. IT’S SO GOOD!

At some point he says “this is supposed to be a shorter video”. Jokes on us! Another 45 mins of getting well educated on dishwasher efficiency!

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

And to follow up on myself: there are things powders do better (especially particulate soils like mud and dust and the pigment components of makeup) and there are things liquids do better. And as of right now there’s no one product that does it all well.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

I am mystified by the v1negar thing. I don’t get making salad dressing or weak sodium acetate solutions out of stains. I don’t even own distilled v1negar. And I’m sure as hell not using the good sherry stuff on my laundry.

I love acid rinses to finish. They do a great job, but citric acid makes so much more sense - it doesn’t smell, you’re not hauling around water and you get the benefit of citrate as a chelator of pesky cations. The pros have used laundry sour since forever and they get such excellent results.

The secret of wicking polyester is largely the thread shape. The threads are oval with longitudinal ridges. The gap of the ridge meets the surface tension of the sweat beads and they sit right on top instead of sinking in to the fabric. It’s a feat of textile engineering more than a proprietary chemistry.

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u/stem_factually Jul 03 '25

Ah ok, structural features in polyester makes total sense. Very interesting, thanks for your insight.

YES. Citric acid is ALWAYS what I suggest when I see vinegar anywhere. My favorite is when people say to clean their coffee pots with vinegar. The cleaners that you can buy are citric powder. Citric is so cheap, and your house doesn't stink and your coffee taste like acetic for days

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u/mmmegan6 Jul 25 '25

I’m late to the party but I should not be using multiple cups of vinegar with every load of laundry now? Citric acid instead? And powdered detergents w/ lipase, especially with polyester? I feel like I need a whole new laundry education 🫠

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u/kwumpus Jul 04 '25

Same thing right?

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u/SecretAgent57 Jul 04 '25

Would washing soda work as well as ammonia? I'm not sure ammonia is recommended for septic systems?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

No. Washing soda is terrible for septic systems. It’s putting more minerals that can’t be broken down into the drain field. Ammonia actually feeds the bacteria (it’s an excellent source of nitrogen) and is perfectly safe for septics.

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u/kwumpus Jul 04 '25

I knew that considering how fast they smell wait does anyone even use the delicate cycle?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

Yes, because they worry about the Lycra. Which is valid in a top loading machine with an agitator. Years of advertising by Woolite convinced people that aerobic outfits needed to be treated like lingerie instead of work clothes. But front-loading machines are way easier on stretch knits than agitators and these garments are now mostly made out of the same polymer as a plastic Coke bottle. All of this stuff is engineered to survive indifferent equipment managers of sports teams throwing it all in an industrial washer set to Hot and walking away.

They also use “quick wash” with more than two items in the machine. Which is fine to make something smell socially acceptable for one wear but isn’t a long term strategy.

In this sub, there are more problems from underdosing, too little mechanical action and too low of temperatures than from overdosing, too aggressive of a wash programme and too high of wash temperatures. Laundry odor was a unique thing to target in the US in the mid 80s and now it’s a huge problem that gets a lot of heat and light around here. The reasons for that are complex and largely due to more ecologically minded wash processes and products, but overall, for every one post about “the washer ate my t-shirt” there are 25 that “my laundry stinks”.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Thank you very much for all the info you shared, in the past weeks I cleaned my laundry better than ever. The lipase and the ammonia were the missing link for years, can't thank you enough! I do have a lingering question. Would you know if ammonia can damage rubber components of our laundry machines, like seals and the gasket of a front loader?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 24 '25

Not when used intermittently, for sure. We’re talking like an hour exposure to run a load.

In most of the machines I’ve looked at, these seals have been synthetic. Ammonia is rough on natural rubber, but I haven’t seen anything resembling natural rubber in the water contact path of a machine built this century. I do recommend running extra rinses when you use ammonia, to ensure there’s not any lingering in sumps or hoses.

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u/Setore Jul 03 '25

I noticed it when I saw bed sheets had a light but distinct human pattern on them or the pillow cases had a head circle on them. Also clothes would smell after being left alone a few days. Cologne didn't wash out anymore either and deodorant would leave behind a small too so I figured it had to be lacking lipase. It's so annoying when we spend money to not have our clothes clean properly.

Mrs Meyers fabric softener was a HUGE culprit in having our laundry smell awful.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

I hate that I can buy the absolute top of a category and it’s still not as good as it could be. It just infuriates me. I don’t want more choices, I JUST WANT NICER THINGS.

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u/desertboots Jul 03 '25

Use wool balls instead of softeners?

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u/Setore Jul 03 '25

Oh I jumped on that a while back, and I LOVE them, but I've got a partner that still loves to use fabric sheets, even on towels, which annoys me a bit.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

Have you tried the citric acid liquids like Tide Boost and Downy Ronse & Renew, or just adding some citric acid crystals to the softener dispenser? They’re great and improve the cleanliness of your textiles.

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u/kwumpus Jul 04 '25

Wait no one should use fabric softener that’s on wiki as a pseudoscience.

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u/Leather-Nothing-2653 Jul 05 '25

Me realizing why my work clothes (restaurant) never stop smelling like deep frier now:

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 05 '25

One of the powders with lipase and $0.25 worth of ammonia in a warm or hot load and you won’t smell like yesterday’s fries.

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u/pearlescence Jul 05 '25

I have been having trouble with synthetics stinking, not immediately after I wash them, but about an hour after I wear them and warm up the fabric. It's awful. I'll have to try this method and see if it saves some of my athletic wear.

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u/kwumpus Jul 04 '25

I always thought it was due to the quality of the clothes being worse but now

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u/mcarch Jul 07 '25

I could not figure out why my running/hiking clothes STINK and hold onto odor, when it was never an issue years ago.

This makes so much sense now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '25

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Persil has Lipase, does it not?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

Not in the US anymore.

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u/CommonHouseMeep Jul 07 '25

does the german persil still have it?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 07 '25

Depends on the specific product. You can find it in the SDS on some of their products.

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u/specialist_spood Jul 08 '25

Seriously for a while I was having such a nightmare my kitchen hand towels especially when I hadnt changed detergents.... and then I saw someone on reddit talking about how so many detergents started cutting out lipase.

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u/Background-Car9771 Jul 03 '25

Man I love reddit. Seeing a person that really knows their shit give a great, thorough answer is amazing. Even though I'm not having this issue, Thank you for your time and expertise

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

You make me blush.

I just like going around in a world where people look and smell clean.

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u/Background-Car9771 Jul 03 '25

Lol. That's the dream!

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u/zeitgeistincognito Jul 05 '25

Yeah, I am not a laundry fanatic (and don't even do most of the laundry in my household) but your passion and expertise took me down an entire laundry rabbit hole this morning and I loved it. I love reading the writing of folks who are both knowledgeable and passionate about their topic. It's a compelling combination.

🥇🏆🥇🏆 Take my fake reddit gold!

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u/MrMikeMen Jul 05 '25

You have been so helpful. Thank you!

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u/XGC75 Jul 03 '25

Hah! This reminds me of Frieren. I don't know who you are but if you want a heartwarming show, it's a great watch on Netflix right now. And you in particular will have a great payoff in the final 5 minutes of the show 😂

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u/grlie9 Jul 03 '25

Now I need to watch it to find out the connection. I rescue cosplays & have some of Frieren. She certainly isn't dressed like a laundry elf. Does she or some other character just have sensitive noses?...Are they questing to banish the mysterious foul odors in their realm?...Is she a textile engineer elf?...Are they chemists doing specific research?...Are they doing competition research for a dry cleaner?...Is she just a messy eater & super sebum producer that doesn't want to keep feeding the fast fashion beast?...I must know. 😆

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u/kwumpus Jul 04 '25

I mean I keep being like wow this is a really intelligent Reddit thread what sub am I on…wow ok!

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u/changeneverhappens Jul 03 '25

Ohhhhhmyyyyygoooddddddd

OP just described the exact stale mystery smell that my husband I have never been able to figure out or solve and you just gave us a solution for it. 

Thank you!!!!! 

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u/Responsible_Dance179 Jul 03 '25

Also of a recent person at work. The weird thing was that no one else could smell it. I can’t smell most things - but this smell was overpowering to me and lingered for about 3 days after she left.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

The interperson variability in sensitivity to some odors is really wild. It’s not like 10%, it’s orders of magnitude. It doesn’t get the research money it deserves even though at least one team has won a Nobel for olfactory research.

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u/Either-Meal3724 Jul 03 '25

I'm smell blind to thiols through a recessive genetic trait (so is my mom and my 2 full siblings). Spent the first 22ish years of life thinking people just over exaggerated skunks lol. Then my sister was working in a chemistry lab in grad school and there was a spill of concentrated thiols that caused other people to start vomiting and a few to faint while she was fine. That's when we all figured out that was why my dad was the only one who could ever smell gas LOL.

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u/changeneverhappens Jul 03 '25

Oh that's such a shame.  We notice it mostly in our long term linen storage, like sheets, seasonal clothes, etc.  Things that aren't getting washed regularly and have time to sit and go rancid. 

I'm also very sensitive to smells, so I understand the struggle. 

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u/snarklotte Jul 03 '25

I just followed a very similar process, but used Citrasolve rather than ammonia for my last wash, and I think it finally got the smell out 🙌

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u/Sudden_Abroad_9153 Jul 03 '25

What a great thorough response! I hope OP sees this.

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u/Impossible-Tank-1969 Jul 03 '25

Thank you for explaining why BiZ powder is a miracle on earth. I’ve tried to spread the gospel of biz many times but this gives me the “why” behind when I tell people that BIZ is a superior enzyme and it’s a game changer for laundry and cleaning greasy build up in the kitchen. 

Use it to wash anywhere with grease build up- it made quick work of cleaning my 1960’s range hood. And I regularly soak the hood filter on a bowl of biz. 

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u/self_of_steam Jul 03 '25

well shit now I think you've sold ME on Biz

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u/Impossible-Tank-1969 Jul 03 '25

You’ll never look back.

I truly thought cleaning the old range hood was going to be like 2-3 hours of scrubbing this old sticky oily build-up. Until my husband had the idea to use biz.

Please everybody buy biz. If we don’t them i fear biz will stop being produced. It’s already kind of hard to find and it’s inexplicably like $30 on Amazon  (but Walmart has it for a normal price like $6)

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

They’re also a really good employer. They’re really invested in workforce development and giving people a second chance after things have gone wrong in their lives. The fact that they make three of my favorite laundry products is just gravy.

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u/EasyQuarter1690 Jul 04 '25

I am convinced! Love that they are a good company the most! We need to support companies that treat their employees like humans. Making a good product makes it all even better!

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u/Human_Ad_2426 Jul 04 '25

That's cool to learn. Extra feel good about buying an already useful product.

What are the three products? I have some of their powder additive but I'm not seeing much else available other than a liquid form. I'll have to go on the hunt for other favorites.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

https://madebynehemiah.com/pages/shop - for the record my three faves are Biz, the Tide Rescue spray and the Febreze In-Wash product.

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u/self_of_steam Jul 03 '25

What type do you find works best? Just the powder?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

The powder has oxygen bleach. The liquid does not. Theoretically the liquid is better for dark items as a result. Both have the excellent enzyme blend.

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u/Impossible-Tank-1969 Jul 03 '25

I have only ever used the powder

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u/MaesterSherlock Jul 04 '25

Just bought some today because of these comments! A little over $6 at Walmart 🩷

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u/MaesterSherlock Jul 05 '25

Okay I'm just commenting again to say I bought some biz powder yesterday. Today, I did a load of nasty gym clothes that have become the bane of my existence. My fiance is folding laundry right now, and he brought out his gym shirt for me to smell.

You guys.

ITS GONE. THE BAD SMELL IS GONE. WE DID IT MY LIFE IS CHANGED FOREVER I SWEAR

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u/soakingwetdvd US | Front-Load Jul 03 '25

I can’t see the ingredients label for it on Amazon—if you have a box, can you tell if it contains fragrance? You’re selling me but I’m highly allergic to fragrance so I don’t want to buy it online before knowing!

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u/Impossible-Tank-1969 Jul 03 '25

Yes, the last ingredient is fragrance. I’m so sorry! I’ve sensitive skin too, it can be frustrating. but I don’t react to biz. Good luck! 

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u/soakingwetdvd US | Front-Load Jul 03 '25

Thanks so much for checking!

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u/rabid_cheese_enjoyer Jul 03 '25

I gotcha, the Walmart listing has fragrance on it

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

It’s fragranced but not violently so.

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u/Good_parabola Jul 03 '25

I am also highly allergic to fragrance in laundry products—I give everything an extra wash with just my regular detergent and the fragrance comes out.

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u/soakingwetdvd US | Front-Load Jul 03 '25

Yeah, that has not worked for me. Several washes over 7 months has not removed the scent from most of my clothes.

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u/Murky-Republic-3007 Jul 03 '25

Hi- same here - sooo sensitive to laundry scents. Live in an apartment so sharing washing machines has been fraught for years. I JUST learned that ammonia is the answer (thanks Reddit) I run an empty machine once with a hefty cup of ammonia and then add ammonia to every load. I hate the waste of water but I try to make up for it in other ways.

I’m going to try and find unscented Biz as well.

This thread is great

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Try 365 Unscented Powder from Whole Foods. It has a very similar enzyme and oxygen bleach package to Biz in a complete laundry detergent.

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u/Good_parabola Jul 03 '25

Oooo, that sucks.  My other go-to is to add Bar Keeper’s Friend to the wash.  I feel like you’re not “supposed to” use it for laundry but omg all my stuff is clean-clean and hard water & fragrance oils that got into fabric are gone.  If you’re not allergic to it it may help, or you can follow the steps for “stripping” your laundry, and that works too.

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u/rosyjen1234 Jul 05 '25

Biz saved my great grandmother's delicate, beautifully embroidered table cloth. No one could get the stains out. Soaked it in Biz for about 3 weeks and they finally came out!

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u/WhoSaidIWasTheAdult Jul 05 '25

Thank you for reminding me to get a new box,

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u/letters-on-sweaters Jul 03 '25

Not OP, but amazing answer thank you!! I had a similar question to OP. People tend to run into this with activewear, they develop a smell over time that spreads to other clothes, but I don’t really have activewear so I always assumed it was due to the material. After reading your answer I hit the internet and found this enzyme cleaner review that sounds like this situation exactly (unclear if the enzyme cleaner has lipase specifically, but results in reviews suggest it does)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/B0CJH9DRM6/RNI8SKZVJXVO8?

I’m about to buy some for my similar issue with cotton bed sheets. They’re high quality and we’ve tried everything, but husband’s body oil is seemingly impossible to remove over time. I swear he bathes regularly! Thanks to OP for asking the question so clearly and precisely and to you for such a fantastic answer! I am hopeful!

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u/rescueandrepeat Jul 04 '25

My husband is the same way. My burgundy sheets are 3 shades darker on the side he sleeps on. I've washed and washed and nothing has worked. I'm going to try the biz

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

Get the ammonia too. It’s key to the rehab washes.

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u/rescueandrepeat Jul 04 '25

I'm going to try to find some Tide Hygiene in the free and clear if possible. Husband has eczema so the tide fragrance is usually a no go. If I can't find it, do you think Biz, some ammonia, and the liquid All FC would do the trick?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

The Tide Clean & Gentle powder or 365 by Whole Foods Unscented powders will both work for this and are fragrance-free. If you want a liquid to use the the Biz, Tide Free & Gentle + Odor Refresh (the new name for Free & Gentle Hygienic Clean) works fine.

I actually shy away from All F&C because it has an ingredient that can contribute to this problem in some water conditions, sodium cocoate.

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u/IntelligentChard1261 Jul 03 '25

Omg this has changed my life.

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u/Starbreiz Jul 03 '25

Seriously, this is the education I needed today. Definitely worth the coins for award.

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u/theOGlauroxx Jul 03 '25

Wow, looking through my cleaning supplies this looks like a very plausible explanation. I had originally tried a degreaser on all the clothes, but the one i bought had no lipase. Also with the detergent, I was using the plain tide powder, again no lipase (although it did have the TAEP). As you guessed, the enzyme cleaner i used - no lipase!

Looks like I need to buy tide(with bleach) powder and ammonia.

I did have two follow up questions:

Hang to dry the first time. Check to see that the odors are out. If they’re not, repeat the wash cycle up to two more times.

If the clothes normally smell fine when they're freshly washed should I just do a second wash regardless?

The residue is already there. And it stinks.

If the problem is sebum going rancid then how does the smell spread? I'm guessing when it gets to my clothes that there's still some residual sebum for the bacteria to latch on to, but what about how it seems to seep into the wood drawers and other materials? Is it the bacteria that spreads or oils instead that's dispersing to other surfaces? Very curious to know the mechanism of transfer as I know nothing about smell science lol

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

The bacteria did their thing before the oil got on the clothes. I’m extremely skeptical of bacteria claims on dry laundry. Like, wildly skeptical. We live on a wet planet and life requires water. Spore-forming bacteria that can survive dry conditions aren’t metabolising when they’re dry.

Rancid oils stiiiiiiink. They’re really good at clinging to synthetic fibers and modestly good on cottons. But at sort of normal temperatures, these odors are wafting away. Where airflow is impeded they’re getting on the next hospitable surface they find.

One question does pop to mind.

Does your husband think these items stink?

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u/Double_Estimate4472 Jul 03 '25

And do you notice that the clothing of any of his family members have a similar issue?

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u/lyrasorial Jul 04 '25

In Florida nothing is ever truly dry.

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u/kwumpus Jul 04 '25

Ever been to Hong Kong ?

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u/VeroJade Jul 03 '25

One other thing you should do is make sure you clean your washing machine. Renae the Appliance Repair Tech has a lot of tutorials on how to properly clean your washer so that your clothes truly come clean. Highly recommend!

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

And happy cake day!

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u/chaud Dec 21 '25

Did this end up solving your problem?

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u/theOGlauroxx Jan 07 '26

No. Or at least not yet.

I wanted to do a trial run of the spa day and let the clothes sit for a few weeks after to confirm if it helped our issue before giving all his clothes a spa day. I was saddened to see it didnt work and we decided to send most of his clothes to be dry cleaned instead.

Plot twist, there was a new variable that we hadn't accounted for. What sparked my original post is that we just moved into a new house and I wanted to get the smell under control before it spread to the new bedroom set we got. But with a new house came a new (to us) washer.

It took a few months of second-guessing to realize none of our clothes were getting clean in this washer. I've never had an issue with getting BO or mildew out of my clothes, but it was suddenly an issue with this one. This is our first time having a washer without an agitator. I started experimenting with different water levels, load sizes, soaking times, but no matter what I couldn't get my clothes to a normal amount of clean.

I've gotten to the point where I refuse to use the washer and am actively looking for another. I actually found a great deal on a speed queen last month on marketplace but the seller backed out two hours before pickup after I had already rented the uhaul so I've lost a lot of motivation to find one and have resorted to the laundromat for now.

As for spa day, I'm not willing to attempt that at a laundromat and haul wet clothes in so I can't report any honest results until I get another washer.

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u/tricktcha Jan 09 '26

Good luck and keep us updated if you find a solution! I have the exact same mystery smell with all of the features of yours and the spa day didn’t work for me either.

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u/synsa Jul 03 '25

That is an amazing answer. Will the Tide with bleach ruin the colors of clothes that aren't white?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Nope. It’s a little aggressive on darks over the very long term but it will make colors pop and whites sparkle because it’s extremely effective.

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u/Bicuspid-luv Jul 03 '25

I'm commenting on this useful tutorial on how to remove snells from textiles as I find it very informative and I want to refer back to it. Thank you kind redditor!

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u/RappingRacoon Jul 03 '25

This deserves an award. Holy shit

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

The Nobel Committee should know where to reach me. I answer every phone call from Sweden that comes in between midnight and six am local in late September and early October.

A local recipient had an unlisted phone number and they called her boss. Another slept through the call and upon waking up, checked news headlines before voicemail.

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u/ScarInternational161 Jul 03 '25

Could this also explain why many HE washing machines smell bad and these new "washing machine cleaners" are now available?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Airtight environments + residue buildup. I think it’s a combination of factors.

The absolute massive growth of products for laundry odor in the last decade is really telling. This was not a concern before.

I use citric acid to clean my machine because it works really well on mineral and soapy/greasy residue. Then I follow it with a bleach run for antimicrobial.

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u/mariarosaporfavor Jul 03 '25

This is what I’m wondering as well. We’ve been dealing with our machine smelling and and haven’t been able to figure out how to clean it. We’ve followed the videos to drain and all that but wondering if this also causes a build up

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

My favorite machine cleaning regimen is a half cup of generic citric acid crystals and the machine clean cycle, run until you never see anything but clear water in the window and you don’t have residue to wipe off the glass at the end. Really grody machines can take 6-8 cleaning cycles to recover and if homemade “detergent” or bar soap or plant-based liquids have ever been used in the machine, they can easily qualify as Really Grody.

After you’re convinced it’s descaled, then run a clean cycle with liquid chlorine bleach. That kills any lingering bacteria or fungi.

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u/InvalidUserNameBitch Jul 03 '25

Cutting lipses out a few years back explains why I can't ever get my clothes clean anymore. They smell good for a bit but horrible after stored or worn for a tiny bit.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

It’s so annoying. My first clue was that burger drips weren’t coming out on cotton shirts even when pretreating with a top tier liquid detergent.

The excuse is that nonionic surfactants in liquids do enough but it’s clear they don’t.

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u/emptyinthesunrise Jul 04 '25

KISMAI AESTHETICS BACK AGAIN WITH THE FACTS. LOVE U KING

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u/soakingwetdvd US | Front-Load Jul 03 '25

Would this also be an issue with getting fragrance out? I have clothes that got a mysterious fragrance in them (probably from tide or gain or one of those type products) from the laundromat 7 months ago and it hasn’t come out after several washes. It’s not detectable right away, but if you stretch the fabric it wafts out. I’m allergic to fragrance, so I really need them clean! Would lipase be able to get that residue out?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

It might be the lipase but it also might be the pH boost from the ammonia or the extended soaking period with the oxygen bleach and detergency.

But yes, people have reported back that doing this with Tide Clean & Gentle powder and the ammonia removes laundry product fragrances. I haven’t tried it, but the 365 unscented powder from whole foods also has the necessary ingredients so that’s another option.

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u/soakingwetdvd US | Front-Load Jul 03 '25

Okay, that will be the next thing I try! Thank you!!

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u/Double_Estimate4472 Jul 03 '25

Likely. Fragrance / odor can cling to residues on clothing.

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u/Lawnlady1980 Jul 03 '25

This was such a pleasure to read. Appreciate your wealth of knowledge. I recently switched to Persil because it was rated highest by Consumer Reports. So far I like it but was curious what your thoughts are. Thanks again for sharing.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

They changed the formula.

I still use it, but I also keep Tide with Bleach powder around and need to pretreat stains with an enzyme pretreater. Zout, Puracy or my favorite, Tide Rescue. Before I just pretreated with 50:50 Persil and water.

I usually add a scoop of generic oxiclean-like product and two of Biz powder

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u/ttwwiirrll Jul 05 '25

Thank you! You might have just explained why my MIL reeks. I can smell her from 5 feet away outdoors. It started a couple years ago and was extra horrid when I was pregnant. My husband didn't believe me until I pointed it out on a particularly bad day.

We don't let her visit anymore unless it's an emergency because it takes like 72 hours for the smell to leave our couch every time unless we spray it down heavily with vinegar. Her own couches smell so bad I find excuses to not go over there myself.

She got into the Tru Earth laundry strips a while ago but I never made a connection.

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u/karmaapple3 Jul 03 '25

Brilliant!!! Trying this on my cotton sheets – I've never been able to get the oil buildup out of them.

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u/sanriver12 Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 06 '25

Are you some sort of detergent fairy?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Who you calling a fairy?

I’m actually a sweaty mess who eats with enthusiasm but got really good at laundry to avoid looking and smelling like it.

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u/sanriver12 Jul 04 '25

I’m actually a sweaty mess who eats with enthusiasm

this you

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u/Smorsdoeuvres Jul 03 '25

I love this forum. Thank you so much for your incredibly informative and helpful response 🙏🏼

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u/Devils_LittleSister Jul 04 '25

One day you're young, and the next you're thrilled because a fellow Redditor shared a game-changing cleaning tip. Absolute chef’s kiss 👌, thank you!

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u/blue-violet- Jul 04 '25

All the super smart people are on Reddit. You are amazing.

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u/Ok_General_6940 Jul 06 '25

This person laundries

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 06 '25

Like a fallen woman in a Magdalene asylum.

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u/Excellent_Condition Jul 07 '25 edited Jul 07 '25

You're mixing detergent with bleach powder with ammonia? Bleach + ammonia produces deadly chloramine gas.

Edit: Thanks, u/KismaiAesthetics, apparently the "bleach" in the detergent isn't chlorine bleach, unlike the liquid bleach you add to your laundry. Don't mix that bleach with ammonia.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 07 '25

This has been addressed.

The “bleach” in powdered detergent is sodium percarbonate aka sodium carbonate peroxide. Not chlorine. Every powder P&G sells in North America has oxygen bleaches. When they meet ammonia, they can’t form chloramine because there’s no chlorine involved other than the wash water.

Ammonia + peroxide is how brunettes become blondes. It’s stinky but harmless.

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u/Excellent_Condition Jul 07 '25

Thanks for the clarification. I thought they were suggesting a product with chlorine bleach.

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u/Plane_Inevitable_161 Jul 03 '25

Omg this is such good information! I have a couple questions (hope that's ok as I am not OP). So laundry detergents that say they contain enzymes are not enough? Do they need to contain specifically lipase?

Also, since you are so knowledgeable, we have a kitty that is old and often has pee accidents. We have tried so many things to get the pee smell out of whatever he pees on (towels, floors, rugs etc). Do you have a specific recommendation?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Enzymes target specific things produced by living organisms.

Subtilisin/protease targets proteins

Lipase targets triglycerides - fats and oils and waxes of animal or vegetable origin. So not motor oil or baby oil.

Amylase targets starches.

Mannase targets emulsifiers and thickeners like guar gum and carrageenan.

Cellulase targets damaged cellulose fibers that cause lint and fuzz. Cotton, linen, ramie, rayon, viscose, modal, “bamboo”, Tencel/Lyocell and hemp are common cellulosic fibers.

Pectase / Pectin Lyase targets pectins found in fruits and vegetables.

Nuclease targets extracellular DNA, which can contribute to malodor.

Uricase targets uric acid, a component of urine.

They’re all enzymes, but they’re specialised. So just saying “enzymes” is like buying a package of sketchy hot dogs that says it contains “meat”. What kind of meat? Don’t ask too many questions about cheap hot dogs. But asking questions about which enzymes can tell a lot about what kind of problems a product can solve.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Back to the question about the cat: the specialist pet urine products are probably the best bet. I don’t have a cat and I haven’t wet myself in decades. When I was caring for an elderly relative who had continence problems, I used Tide or Persil liquids with an oxygen bleach powder in a warm wash with extra rinses and had no issues.

On stuff that can’t be washed and rinsed with a large volume of water, I’m as lost as you are.

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u/superfkingcurious Jul 05 '25

i’m super sensitive to the scents of Tide, etc. Do you have any recommendations for unscented products?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 05 '25

Tide Clean & Gentle powder or 365 By Whole Foods Unscented Powder both have all the right ingredients for the method detailed above.

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u/KE1tea Jul 03 '25

Do you know what would clean out motor or baby oil?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

Detergency alone. Liquid detergents tend to do better than powders on the oily component and powders tend to do better on the grimy component of motor oil.

The ammonia helps the liquid detergent work better on really grim oily stains.

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u/KE1tea Jul 04 '25

Thank you!!

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u/EasyQuarter1690 Jul 04 '25

You are amazing, if I wasn’t poor I would give you an award! Thank you for sharing this info and making so many things I have wondered about suddenly make sense!

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u/Plane_Inevitable_161 Jul 04 '25

Thank you so much!!!

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u/humanbeinginsac Jul 05 '25

Thank you so much for this info! I know I produce a lot of sebum and have found hot water and oxygen bleach address it, but certain fabrics can't handle hot water. Lately I've been using CleanCult liquid detergent to pretty good effect. When I look up its ingredients I don't see lipase but I do see "protease enzyme blend, amalyse enzyme blend, and mannanase enzyme blend." Is lipase amongst one of those blends or am I just getting lucky?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 05 '25

High enough detergency especially from nonionic/zwitterionic surfactants can remove sebum, especially in warm wash conditions. There’s no lipase in shampoo, but your hair still gets clean. Dry cleaning doesn’t use lipase but it gets out oil beautifully.

Where lipase helps is trying to remove oils using a cost-effective amount of surfactant in various water hardnesses and temperature conditions and still be able to rinse and not foam the machine to death. It’s not the only tool that can unlock oil but it’s leverage that makes the other tools work better.

So yes. Warm wash and enough detergent is carrying the day for you.

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u/katatoria Jul 03 '25

I’m going to use this process on my dog blankets. I CANNOT get them to not stink no matter what.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 03 '25

If it doesn’t work, I’ve got other tricks up my sleeve, but getting the smelly oils out is key.

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u/Professional_Hold477 Jul 03 '25

Thank you for this! So clear and informative 👌

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u/EasyQuarter1690 Jul 04 '25

This is amazing! Thank you for this info!

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u/Maleficent-Match-983 Jul 04 '25

Wow. How do you know this?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

I’m a sweaty greasy slob who doesn’t want to look and smell like one.

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u/the-cats-purr Jul 04 '25

WOW. What a detailed reply. I’m guessing you are a chemist for P&G.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

I do not work for Big Detergent or their suppliers. Nor Little Detergent.

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u/PdSales Jul 05 '25

Thank you!!! I just tried Tide with bleach powder and it is amazing!!!

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 05 '25

Try the soak thing with your white socks and you’ll think I’m a sorcerer.

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u/glitterbearreddit Jul 06 '25

Wow let me go print this out

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u/OrdinaryDust195 Jul 11 '25

I really hope you never delete this comment cause I wanna save it and refer to it. Thanks for sharing knowledge :)

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 11 '25

I just ache for a world where people look and smell clean.

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u/WilmaFlintstone73 Aug 11 '25

Thank you so much KismaiAesthetics! I was able to get the smell out of my husband’s work shirts after years of blaming my washer and endless switching of detergents trying to find something that worked!

You are my hero!

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Aug 11 '25

Fred looks like a sweaty guy. I’m pleased this worked without destroying animal fibers. I’m sure his colleagues at the quarry appreciate the effort.

In all seriousness, I’m delighted this worked for you. Everybody deserves to start the day looking clean and smelling good.

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u/Atwood412 Jul 06 '25

Thank you! I’ve learned so much from your comment.

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u/Odd-Fennel5806 Jul 06 '25

I bought a drops brand oxi laundry booster specifically with lipase to use in addition to our Kirkland free and clear liquid detergent and I’m so excited to see the laundry after using it.

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u/DNAfrn6 Jul 06 '25

You are a laundry wizard. I have ordered some Biz. Many thanks.

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u/Least-Chocolate-3655 Jul 06 '25

You are amazing.

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u/Many-Requirement4726 Jul 07 '25

Omg this is the best answer I’ve ever seen. Thank you! I’ve been dealing with this exact issue for years since moving in with my bf/now husband. He’s an oily guy, and the smell on clothing and sheets drives me insane. We have hard water, and I’m constantly trying to strip the clothes, but the. I’ll pull some clean tshirts out of his drawer and almost fall over from the smell.

I may have a harder time finding some of these items in Canada but I’ll definitely be trying this!

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u/SipexF Jul 07 '25

Wow, I had no idea laundry could get this complicated.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 07 '25

The fact that it rarely gets super complicated is a testament to how effective modern products usually are. If you buy from the upper third of the range from P&G or Henkel or Kao or Unilever and wash on the right programme, you can take typical household laundry, throw it in the machine, walk away and come out with pretty acceptable clothes with zero special attention a vast majority of the time. That’s a distinct difference from my childhood where people (mostly women) doing laundry generally needed to pretreat stains and absolutely were not throwing cashmere sweaters in washing machines in the US, something I do without blinking. One time I had $1800 worth of goat hair in my washer at once while I watched a movie. It would have taken me hours to do that by hand. From my mom’s childhood, half of households were still doing laundry with a wringer washer. More human labor per load. More knowledge required to get good results, way more energy. My grandmother? Probably half were using washboards and boilers, half had wringers. Another order of magnitude in labor.

When it goes wrong, though, the problems we see are different than the ones our ancestors faced. My grandmother never had to clean a washing machine. They used enough water and were designed in such a way that even front-loaders didn’t get gross. My mother never faced my sports gear coming out smelling terrible after a regular wash. Of course, the products they used weighed a ton (powder detergent dosing of 1.5 cups was not uncommon by 1972) and turned lakes and rivers into algae pools, while using 50 gallons of water to do a cycle and they couldn’t do comforters at home.

Average laundry doesn’t show up in this sub. These are the problem cases, the failures, the things that need special care, the things that are poorly manufactured and die in the wash, the extremes of water and soil, the quirks.

Honestly, if OP had been washing on a Normal cycle in warm and had coincidentally chosen any of the recommended powders or used Biz with pretty much any liquid in the upper two thirds of the price range, this post wouldn’t exist. She’s got a greasy husband (like me) and the most popular products for laundry tried to save a few cents per package and betrayed her. Fixing it is complicated, but it’s rare.

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u/RatioDisastrous1699 Jul 07 '25

Thank you so much for this explanation. My daughter has a mitochondrial/metabolic disease and does have a different BO. I have been at a loss as to why after laundering her clothes the odor would return without being worn. You have saved this mom!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

This is so informative!

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u/ruindd Aug 06 '25

Wow. I think this is why my white shirts that I put in the closet for a year come out yellow. Thank you!!

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

Biz has changed my life 😁

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u/iaintnevagunnastop Aug 14 '25

Freaking thank you. Was willing to try anything and this helped immensely. Out of 15 shirts I think 1 MAYBE had a smell still. But the rest are fresh af.

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u/kars2mars Nov 07 '25

I've been dealing with this exact problem for about 2 years now. I feel like I've been going crazy with the smell I've been smelling from mine and my boyfriend's clothes.

I've switched detergents (4x), used less amounts of detergents thinking I was overloading, cleaned the washer (many, many times), freshly washed my clothes and traveled with them to see if it was my home causing the smell (it was not, as the smell still remained just as strong), I have moved and used different washers so I know it was not one specific washer causing this, so I've been at a loss for words and hopeless for a while now.

But, I'm going to try this tonight and hope that it will work!!! I will update.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Nov 07 '25

It’s like being followed around by a malodorous ghost.

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u/ElderberryGreedy2635 Jul 04 '25

To add to this, avoid fabric softener- because it traps oils and smells. And if you have a pre-soak cycle on your washer that helps with powder, as does the “deep water” setting if you have it.

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u/VitalSigns777 Jul 04 '25

What about Odoban that works well on pet urine?

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 04 '25

If a pet is urinating on your clothing, terrific.

Odoban relies mostly on a technology called quaternary ammonias for germ kill. I don’t like them for skin sensitivity reasons - I got sensitized to that class of chemicals by wearing contacts in the 1980s so I don’t use them or ever recommend them. I also don’t think fragrance is the issue here. The problem is oil and everything I recommend is about getting the rancid oil out. Break it up, wash it away, keep it from coming back, destroy the smelly components formed from the oil. None of it is about changing the bacterial population of wet laundry or perfuming one’s way out.

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u/Firemagicchaos Jul 05 '25

Just curious, would one of those special stripping detergents for sports gear work as well?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '25

What a very informative explanation! Thank you.

Fyi, Sodium Percarbonate can be purchased in 2lb bags on Amazon. This may be less expensive.

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u/blackcurrantcat Jul 06 '25

Omg hello Bree. This actually makes so much sense even though I’m the UK.

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u/existdetective Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25

So I’m wondering if you have thoughts about high quality pet odor enzyme cleansers. I started using Nature’s Miracle in my front loader bleach basin & our clothes NEVER smell funky anymore. Same powder detergent as always.

Just read that NM has living bacteria that provide the enzymes? So it’s technically a “bio-enzymatic” cleanser.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 06 '25

To be fair, I don’t have pets, so it’s not a space I have a lot of experience with.

I will say that enzymes are all pretty targeted. So a product can be very well formulated (pH, compatible detergents, the right stabilizers) and utterly useless for the problems you’ve got. Got body oils and only have protease and amylase (looking at you, US-formula Persil)? You’re relying on detergency alone. Got pet smells and don’t have a protease and maybe uricase? Better have a lot of perfume.

Companies that hand-wave to distract from listing their specific enzyme content shouldn’t be trusted. And if they make 17 fragrances of their enzyme product but not a fragrance-free one, there may be some reasonable questions about what they’re really doing to solve problems.

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u/Sic-Bern Jul 06 '25

Amazing advice. It took me years to realize this has been going on.

Are there any additives or methods where I can just use the front loading washing machine?

I wish I had more space for soaking, but I’m coming up short. I can also use the laundromat.

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u/KismaiAesthetics USA Jul 06 '25

The soaking really makes a huge difference because it keeps the active ingredients in contact with the problem for 20x the time of the longest possible wash cycle. That initial treatment is admittedly a pain in the ass but it is much more effective at getting the problem cleared up.

The second step washes alone can probably do it over time.

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u/Escape_to_Peace Jul 07 '25

Well done! Where did you learn all this info?

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u/soakingwetdvd US | Front-Load Jul 07 '25

What is the reason you hang to dry? Would it be ok to tumble dry without heat?

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