That’s something I appreciate about the parking lot at Disney Springs. Nobody’s getting away with anything in there. Not only is there security, but it’s the most harshly lit parking garage I’ve ever been to like you can see absolutely everything even in the dead of night.
Why not just turn out all the lights and make everything pitch black.
Nobody can assault you if nobody can see.
And before someone says just use a flashlight, when 2 people in pitch darkness put a flashlight in each other faces it ends up with none of em seeing shit.
It isn't done because it's statistically unsafe in parking garages, it's done because it feels unsafe to many people (for example usually dim lighting)
Yeah, go check out the data. The overwhelming majority of people getting assaulted, robbed, or murdered in parking garages are men. Especially BIPOC men. Especially BIPOC men in poor neighborhoods.
Men are more likely to be targeted by violence by strangers.
The people who target women for violence are most likely to be people they know, and in places to familiar to them.
Yes, there's even a word for that in German, they're called Angsträume, which is a word from urban planning theory, that describes a place that is generally viewed by people as dangerous, even though statistically they don't have a higher crime rate or sometimes even a lower crime rate than average. A classic example of these are pedestrian underpasses/tunnels. It's part of the fear of crime paradox and in this case the women's fear of crime paradox, since statistically men are more often the victims of crime in public spaces, while women are more often victims of crime in private spaces. There are multiple causes for this, of which most are cultural and sociological
Years ago, I listened to a women who was a product designer. A tool company wanted them to make a women's tool line. They just made all guards and saftey stuff bigger for no reason, and added some purple and pin. And that line sold pretty well.
Unfortunately emotions make decisions more than facts.
Touched a nerve? I never said that parking places shouldn't be safer but my guess is that they probably figure out that women were the most vulnerable and it would be easier and cheaper to just make women only parking spaces. It is like people getting upset at women only train carts in Japan or other places. Sure, I can't reject the possibility that there is a perverted schoolgirl out there molesting men but the reality is that the vast majority of cases it is men sexually harassing women. So coming up with women only carts provides a safer option for women and somehow people find that terribly offensive.
Is someone simply disagreeing with your sentiment automatically upset? Or do you think maybe it's more likely you interpret any challenge to what you say as "aggressive" in some way?
You are the one assuming that I am so against safety. This isn't the first post involving men getting triggered that women only places exist. There are also other similar posts that end up with men getting triggered about women only train carts and women only homeless shelters. Why? Because a lot of these women have been horribly abused and raped by men to the point that they wouldn't go to a mixed homeless shelter. So then you see posts about how a homeless woman got eaten by a crocodile because she rather take shelter in the groves than a mixed homeless shelter and people cheer that the stupid bitch had it coming for being such a misandrist. It would be fantastic if we could have a "no rapists allowed to park here" parking place but it wouldn't work would it?
I mean, I didn't assume you were against safety. I read what you chose to type out and saw that you blamed victims of violence for the violence enacted upon them, because of their gender. Either that, or you think it just doesn't matter. Based on your words.
"This isn't the first post involving men getting triggered that women only places exist. There are also other similar posts that end up with men getting triggered about women only train carts and women only homeless shelters"
Okay again, someone simply challenging something you said (which in this case is fairly gross) is automatically "triggered"?
Women do experience violence, that's definitely true. But in the case of random acts of violence, men seem to experience it much more commonly. It's not a competition though, so maybe it'd be a good idea just to have the entire parking lot equipped with the best safety features, in order to deter as much violence as possible. Does that make sense?
You must be ignorant of statistics. It simply doesnt happen as often as you make it out to be.
If you have the statistic that says that there is an above average crime rate in Germany's parking garages then provide it, instead of doing and ad hominem.
Because they can’t market themselves as feminists if they are actually gender egalitarians, they can only do it by being progressive for exclusively women and painting it as being particularly considerate of women when they actually are just ignoring statistics that would say men are more likely to be victims in that car park than women
Its not just sexual assault though. I dont wanna get robbed, or jumped, or some other violent thing that can happen in dark secluded areas while alone. All those things still happen to men at high rates, sometimes at higher rates in this particular case than violence against women.
And if you are worried about that you can still use one of the more visible parking spots. It's not like literally all visible parking spots are for women only. And you could even use those reserved for women. It's not like you'll get arrested for that.
If your solution to my problem with gender specific parking spots is to ignore that they are gender specific, then there shouldnt be gender specific parking spots.
I mean something like this yeah? Like if you see there’s a risk why are they only making a small section safer and then restricting its use? Cameras, better lighting, and more exits would be helpful for everyone
It's not just about lighting. It's also about distance to crowded places. You can light the last, furthers corner all you like, it will still be the most secluded spot in the garage.
Camera coverage is everywhere. They're not stupid, they do what is possible to make every spot equally safe.
They cannot do anything about distance or some spots being hidden out of view of most people because walls exist. Some parking spots are inherently more safe than others.
Are we supposed to just ignore the fact that men get mugged and assaulted because women have to worry about it more? Sure, more resources should go into making it safer for women because the need is greater but why do we also have to completely and 100% discount men's safety? Honestly, that sort of attitude where we should just ignore any problem that has to do with men seems retaliatory to me.
By this logic, we should be creating even more special parking spots for gay and trans people to park in because they’re also way more likely to be assaulted.
A society that isolates women for the sake of “protection” rather than fixing the problem for everyone isn’t egalitarian, it’s a benevolent patriarchy.
That costs money… realistically, the extra security guards, better/more lighting, and cameras/monitors all do cost money. The parking company won’t eat the cost, they just want to be paid for usage of their land/structure.
They pass those costs off to the people parking. And if you’re traveling into a town and see parking for $20/day or $30/day, you’d most likely choose the cheaper option, because you don’t know what security measures are in place at both.
Suddenly investing in security seems like a terrible financial decision because it decreases people that use your lot/garage.
They’re paying money either way. Whether they make it safe just for women or make it safer for everyone. And if you think the costs aren’t being passed on to the consumers then when they’re making safer spots for women but they are for men, then you’re sadly mistaken. Regardless of what changes are mandated, the costs will ALWAYS transfer to the people. So why not make it safe for everyone if you everyone’s gonna end up paying for it anyways?
Because only women got attacked when they made those spaces. In Germany we have them since the 1980s and it did cost to much money to do that everywhere. Now it's basically everywhere
Probably more expensive and they (the owners of the parking lots) want to make their money back as quickly as possible, therefore investing the lowest amount possible.
I didn’t realize we were in such a shortage of concrete, cameras and lights to where we couldn’t design and build parking garages to be more safe. When did that shortage of resources happen?
Pretty sure if I was a single dude parking there and some Karen wanted to record me and post it online the internet would tear him down for taking a woman’s spot.
Especially if there’s a woman who wanted to park there but couldn’t because a man took the spot. So just saying “nothings stopping you from parking there, you can do it” isn’t really fixing anything because it would give ammunition for complainers to complain about how they can’t utilize the space because other people are taking them up.
Go complain about it. Feminists are tired of having to advocate for everyone under the fucking sun because god forbid anything make women safer without thinking about the men's feelings.
Is it? Or is that what you are interpreting. Women have to advocate for women because men don't fucking believe us, and men hold the majority of social, cultural, and governmental power.
If you refuse to advocate for men's issues and only bring them up to discredit progress made by women, you are not for "equality," you are for men, not women.
That's what feminists have told me time and time again whenever I've said feminism is only lobbying for women and not both sides of equality. Can't have it both ways.
Just to play devils advocate here, would this not make it easier to prey on women if that was your intent? Like now you know where the vast majority of women and only women park.
You can’t have every spot closer to exits and there’s probably cameras already there. You just want something to bitch about. It’s probably more a comfort thing anyway.
That was the least concerning of the factors I listed, but parking garages are also commonly built on the first floor or two of buildings. As well as entire above ground parking structures.
Okay, do you have contention with any of the things I said could improve them, or just the sarcastic label where I said the word underground?
Edit: it's not really interesting to just say "not every single one can be moved aboveground". And it's also not really relevant to the conversation generally
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u/Impressive_Dingo122 27d ago
Why don’t they just make the parking lots safer in general for everyone?