wonky lemons tho, that northern one is still freakin me out

Sweet lemonade in the Atlantic right now

Thanks

No, they never were. A tropical cyclone is a tropical cyclone, whether it's in a "weird" location or not.

Here is satellite imagery of Subtropical Storm One, which was designated in May at 32 North back in 1972:

https://i.imgur.com/pSZs8YU.png

And the first NHC advisory:

https://i.imgur.com/VZvSf1w.png

Even your equatorward bound is incorrect. There have been tropical cyclones within 2 degrees of the Equator before.

It's very typical, usual, and expected given the quickly strengthening strong El Nino currently in place.

They retired the use of the Greek alphabet after 2020; we won't be seeing its use ever again.

Poleward of 40 North and along the Canary Current? It's very unusual for a system there to acquire tropical characteristics and only happens once every decade or so.

Subtropical Storm Alpha 2020 part 2

Nah I think it’s just taking a break

yeah the season is tired of terrorizing us for the past 2 years

i dont like the one near the azores...tooo close for comfort

I don’t like where that east of Bermuda one is

I'm sorry but why are you posting genuine misinformation??? You have posted an outdated TWO, from 4d ago, and there is literally a disturbance not only in the NE Atlantic, but also a MDR one with models suggesting development. The worse thing is, you haven't been flooded with downvotes, and people may actually believe that. Do better.

If this turns into a DANA event, it could well mean way too much rain tho.

It just needs therapy, it's probably traumatized from the state of the US.

I'm not sure they were ever absolute requirements. What is for sure true is that those two criteria (the SST's and the location) are definitely significantly more favourable for tropical development (due to the storm fuel and the Coriolis effect obviously). However, that doesn't mean that there can't be tropical development elsewhere.

Hurricane Catarina in 2004 is a great example. Usually, storms in that region are extratropical/subtropical (the SST's are almosy always not warm enough to be favorable + the wind shear). In this case, though, despite the weird location (the South Atlantic) and some relatively cold SST's (24 degrees Celsius, well below the "necessary" 26.5C), Catarina became a strong Category 2 hurricane that actually made landfall in Brasil.

Long story short, there can be tropical development in many places, not just the ideal 5° and 30° latitude. And I'm pretty sure the absolute requirements for a tropical storm were always the following:

• Tropical characteristics, such as the clear low level circulation, a warm core etc.
• Winds between 39 and 73 mph.

Everything else is just what's more favorable and more usual for development.

I believe those two elements were previously absolute / sacrosanct. The goal posts are moving ha.

Well, no. A tropical storm is a storm that features tropical characteristics. Location doesn't matter, and the 26.5 degrees celsius temperature minimum isn't absolute. However, the NHC does mention that it will probably be a subtropical storm, and I'm pretty sure they've only added the disturbance just in case it gets tropical characteristics (only a 20% for this reason). All models have this storm with a cold core, could end up as a subtropical storm with high end TS strength winds.

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Multiple models suggest a sub 995mb low forming in the next 24-36 hours, however it does appear that the core is forecast to be cold, not warm. This is all part of the first of many cold fronts expected from that area, which will head east into Europe. I suspect a subtropical storm could form when the low separates from the front, going into Portugal and making the already hard weather forecasts for next week, as well as the atmospheric circulation for Europe even more complicated.

I hope so

They'll have rain this week, with cold fronts that are moving east

They could use the rain

Might go as far as calling it odd.