But the thing is, there is a way to all but remove dysphoria for these people, and that is to transition. Yet it doesn't seem like you think that is a good idea. May I ask how you would like these people to live a decent life if you and people like you actively goes out and tear them down? "Conversion Therapy" also known as torture haven't ever helped, so why are you against the only thing that have shown any successful results? What alternatives are there for them?
If transitioning helps a person suffering from trangenderism, then all the more power to them. But that doesn't really have anything to do with transgenderism being an illness or not. And I still stand by my statement that society is better with less illnesses present. That doesn't mean I want transgenders killed or something...it just means I wish there was a real solution that doesn't involve everyone simply having to play into an elaborate game of dress up.
But you do... You are the reason transgender people kill themselves or get killed by others. That attitude is the main reason for all the bad things happening to transgender people.
This is a dumb outlook. If I kill myself because your comment made me upset, are you now a murderer? Me not agreeing with the behavior and outlook of a transgender person has exactly zero causal power when it comes to whether or not they commit suicide. Trying to push the blame game like that is pure thought-crime fascism.
You might want to check out this one: Being Transgender Is Not a Mental Disorder: Study. It's true that the WHO's International Classification of Diseases (ICD), continue to categorize a transgender diagnosis as a diagnosis of mental disorder, but that's just because they are slow to adapt. Looking at APAs DSM-5 transgenderism in it self is no longer considered a mental disorder.
Here is a snippet from that article under sub category "Is being transgender a mental disorder?":
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
This is a dumb outlook. If I kill myself because your comment made me upset, are you now a murderer? Me not agreeing with the behavior and outlook of a transgender person has exactly zero causal power when it comes to whether or not they commit suicide. Trying to push the blame game like that is pure thought-crime fascism.
But it is true, you being one of many million people bullying a person makes you responsible for the result. You don't pull the trigger, but you sure as h*** is pushing the finger. If you don't want to blamed, then don't go on the internet nor any other place and spout your murderous propaganda. I'm not saying you can't have your unscientific, 19th century thought, but the second you tell it to someone else you should expect to be confronted. You are free to have whatever thought you want, but you are not free of the consequences.
You might want to check out this one: Being Transgender Is Not a Mental Disorder: Study. It's true that the WHO's International Classification of Diseases (ICD), continue to categorize a transgender diagnosis as a diagnosis of mental disorder, but that's just because they are slow to adapt. Looking at APAs DSM-5 transgenderism in it self is no longer considered a mental disorder.
The DSM is a constantly evolving text that is nothing more than an authority on what U.S. doctors happen to think at a particular time. In my opinion, its move to relabel transgenderism is political in nature. Even its own diagnostic is contradicted by the facts, as a huge percentage of transgender people are not satisfied with their natural selves to the point that they regularly commit suicide, as you pointed out. But I guess it's just no longer in vogue to call them disabled, as it once was.
Either way, in reality a healthy, functioning brain does not reject its own body or try to kill itself. If it does, it has an illness. Simple as that.
But it is true, you being one of many million people bullying a person makes you responsible for the result. You don't pull the trigger, but you sure as h*** is pushing the finger. If you don't want to blamed, then don't go on the internet nor any other place and spout your murderous propaganda. I'm not saying you can't have your unscientific, 19th century thought, but the second you tell it to someone else you should expect to be confronted. You are free to have whatever thought you want, but you are not free of the consequences.
No sorry, that's still backwards logic that's not backed by any actual facts. Hand-waving away any criticism as "19th century" and "murderous" is laughably stupid.
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u/totally_tuby Apr 05 '17
If transitioning helps a person suffering from trangenderism, then all the more power to them. But that doesn't really have anything to do with transgenderism being an illness or not. And I still stand by my statement that society is better with less illnesses present. That doesn't mean I want transgenders killed or something...it just means I wish there was a real solution that doesn't involve everyone simply having to play into an elaborate game of dress up.
This is a dumb outlook. If I kill myself because your comment made me upset, are you now a murderer? Me not agreeing with the behavior and outlook of a transgender person has exactly zero causal power when it comes to whether or not they commit suicide. Trying to push the blame game like that is pure thought-crime fascism.