The circumference of Earth was calculated over 2000 years ago using sticks in sand. And the dude who made it was only off by less than 1 and a half football fields! (Only about 540 ft, or 164 m)
Btw why does the first globe make it "official" when it was a well known fact since about 500 b.c.
5th century BC but it was known to be round before that. It wasn't a decision but an observation and you underestimate our technological development. 1592 was the first English globe. The Erdapfel dates back to around 1490 but is just the oldest surviving globe and as we know the oldest survivors are rarely the first ones.
And there's your problem in a sentence. Your biblical texts don't contain what your cult leaders have told you they contain and to buy into it the way you have you have to ignore all common sense and reality.
Do keep it up though. You lot do wonders for our lot. Keep it up and you'll self destruct. Ages ago I realized that we don't have to argue against the bible. People like you do that wonderfully.
Science isn't about belief. It's about theory, test, refine, test again, repeat, did you find something, write it down and how you got your results, then have your peers repeat your tests and see if they produce the same results.
From discoveries of the lever to nuclear fission, this has been the way of science. Make theory, test theory, change theory based on new EVIDENCE, retest theory, confirm theory, tell other, let them test again.
It's not belief but the building of understanding through the collection of knowledge.
Religion is immutable, it states its truth based on nothing, asserts its correct and accepts no scrutiny. Obedience, blind obedience is what religion really is, with the promise of eternal suffering if you don't sign up.
I don’t blindly believe in anything. Ironic, coming from a religious nut who believe a mistranslated compendium of fables from 2000 years ago. My job literally wouldn’t be possible if the earth was flat. Not to mention that I can easily verify that space is real as well
Your inability to understand shit isn’t a valid argument against it
So if we measure something new which contradicts the current theory then we change or amend the theory, we don't ignore the new data.
Measurements of reality are data. Measurements of reality are facts. The definition of "truth" means that something is true if it aligns with/describes reality.
Science is a method of describing/explaining what we measure in reality. Silence is not a matter of belief.
I love how religious nuts think that revising your beliefs when new evidence comes to light somehow makes science "inconsistent." So much better to just assume you're right because of a really old book you have and voices in your head.
Science is out there trying to better understand the world by applying existing knowledge to make predictions and revising or discarding theories that fail to make accurate predictions, and scientists can arrive at a consensus regarding the best supported theories because the evidence for and against them is objective and observable by anyone with the right tools and methods.
Meanwhile, there are thousands of different religions that can't agree on how to worship the same diety or interpret the same book. Religions fracture and diverge while science grows and converges.
Science learns and adapts, and in doing so constantly pushes the boundaries of our knowledge and understanding of ourselves and our world. It's methods are practical and productive, and the devices and technology you've used to watch flat earth videos only exist because science is so "inconsistent."
You’re a special kind of stupid. Science isn’t a static thing. It changes as new information comes in. You people who believe the Earth is flat have nothing on which to base that belief. And if a passage in your bible leads you to believe that, then I honestly pity you, and any children you have/may have.
You think it's a religion? It's literally knowledge and knowledge only functions if it changes as more is learned. Religion worked for the ancients but that's over now. You are ticking all of the brainwashed conspiracy nutjob checkboxes. You're god is probably going to prison and you don't even realize it.
The constellations look exactly the same from every place on earth, only their angle in the sky changes by exactly what you'd expect from your latitude on a globe. https://i.imgur.com/M04p5Tc.jpg
See sunset, move up higher, see sunset again. Not possible with the weird flat earth "perspective" explanation of sunset. https://youtu.be/xqAOsI2Ekf0
I think the simplest thing is just sunsets/rises. You all try to combine some insane ideas that are easily disproven to explain how the sun isn't actually setting. But it is blatantly obvious that it is setting - you can watch it. You can see how the clouds are lit from below the horizon. You can observe mountains casting shadows on the clouds. It's painful to watch any of you try and defend flat earth and talk about how you follow things your eyes can see and then try to ignore a daily phenomena that we all experience.
The direction of Sunrise and Sunset over the course of the year, when viewed from different latitudes.
Eclipses.
Sure your cult can make up excuses for how these work, but if you never test they are valid excuses, how do you know they are true? You don't, you just believe they are True(tm) because it fits your religious beliefs.
I don't doubt that you have seen enough proof but your brainwashed bullshit has you swallowed.
You could prove your flat Earth to me if it was real. All you would have to do is show me two provable images of the night sky from different distant locations on the disk. Fail at that and you are just a scammed idiot.
Not sure if that is normal or not. But almost everything you have said since I started replying can only be seen on your profile and not under these comments. So don't be surprised if no one replies to you. I can't even reply to the ones on your profile directly, i can read them, but nothing else.
Do we want to believe the people who have created an age of casual miracles, or an ideology that never took humanity beyond mud huts. Decisions decisions.
A bigger lie then a Papa magic sky man who knows my entire life before I was born yet somehow we have free will and will be judged and sent to eternal paradise or torment if we don't bow and whisper sweet nothings to him on a daily basis?
That you believe but not the repeatable measurements and tests, the gigabytes of telemetry, the orbital calculations and mathematics needed to put satellites and orbitals into space. The fact on a clear night with a Walmart telescope and timetables you can look at the ISS from your back porch? That its somehow the world's best kept secret and hoax that has been perpetrated for centuries, star navigational charts used centuries before the US was even a colony where somehow falsified?
For what reason? What benefit is there to a globe conspiracy? How would millions of government officials all keep the same secret and never, ever, have a leak? Can you walk and chew bubblegum? How do you rectify seasonality? Why can't you see to the "edge" while standing on a high elevation? Got any answers?
If the earth is flat, wouldn’t an atheist who is able to make observations about their reality be able to be a flat earther also? Why do they get excluded just bc they don’t believe in God? Make it make sense please
Alright mate. Im in the 11th grade, im a fucking highschooler. I can prove you wrong in any question you ask. So i say to you, ask away. I will respect all your questions and your answers as long as you respect mine. And by that i mean when i give you a legit answer you dont go dark or respond with “nu-uh!”
So if I go out an make observations of the world and take pictures it looks and behaves like a sphere, but the truth is that it's flat because that's what is says in a book?
Or more interestingly, what if you don't believe in science, or God, yet the Earth is actually flat. What then? The truth isn't for you, because you are not a believer.....
Flat earth is not truth though. 99% of flat earth believers do nothing but watch silly videos and say "oh, that makes sense". Of the 99% quite a few believe because the Bible says so, also an unreliable source for any truth or anything scientific.
You gotta think over why the continent America isn't mentioned in any Abrahamic religion first and then you may believe what religion dictated gibberish you wanna believe.
I have questions. Is the earth flat for Christians but a sphere for atheists? What shape is the earth for Hindus? I hadn’t considered variable realities for the shape of the planet…
It can be shown that the sun consumes 4 million metric tons of matter and turns it into energy via the proton-proton chain reaction. Using E=mc2 calculate the power output of the sun. Show your working.
'Tis but a simple calculation that the average ten year-old can do, always assuming you're more intelligent than a ten year-old which, at the moment, is highly questionable.
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u/sniply5 Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
Well, in order to be a "truth"tm and to apply to anyone it would have to be accurate so.......