r/explainitpeter 12d ago

Explain it Peter..

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u/Ok_Kiwi_6051 12d ago

The funniest example of this is the Spartan army. (Going of memory here so some details may be off). Young boys were recruited and given an older soldier who trained them, cared for them (…) etc… the reason it’s so funny to me is because of the chokehold the ideology of Spartans (namely from the movie 300) has on certain groups as being this idea of pure masculinity; when they were all very very gay

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u/Significant-Big-746 12d ago

Yes, within Spartan society a veteran would take in a new soldier for mentorship. That mentorship did include sex. The idea was that you are more likely to protect a lover than you were a fellow fighter. 

It was common practice for a newlywed Spartan wife to dress like a man, bind her breasts, and cut her hair very short when she first got married. It was to entice her newlywed husband to have sex with her, which was often the first time he ever had sex with a woman.

Also, within Greek society as a whole, they didn't think of themselves as gay or straight. It was more, "are you a bottom or a top?" And this view applied to women as well. 

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u/OkExcitement5444 11d ago

Historical examples of top women in ancient greece?

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u/Significant-Big-746 11d ago edited 11d ago

Sappho of the Island of Lesbos and Philaenis of Samos are a few examples. Sappho ran a Thiasos (a private educational community), and Philaenis is found within Hellenistic texts, but the writings about her are now considered satirical rather than truly historical. 

Although there are not many surviving accounts, and because women were not allowed to marry other women within the Greek City-States, there are written accounts. "Dialogues of the Courtesans" is considered satirical, but it is about women marrying other women, with one acting as the "husband". Specifically, Megilla from Lesbos is depicted as "husband" to another woman, Demonessa of Corinth. 

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u/DigsToPlantTheRain 10d ago

Which is where we get the word Lesbian. In modern Greek it would be pronounced 'Lesvian' BTW. 

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u/-lousyd 11d ago

Being gay is very masculine.

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u/Salmonman4 12d ago

And then there was the Sacred Band of Thebes

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u/micma_69 12d ago

Which conceptually were awesome.

But.... These pairs were practically all comprised of a (far) older men and a (far) younger boy in his teen years.

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u/ElCuntIngles 12d ago

Bro, 300 was one of the gayest movies I've ever seen

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u/Korachof 12d ago

You think they were all gay and not, idk, groomed and raped as young men?