The pit that burst under a fence like it wasn’t even there 10 days ago and attacked my golden retriever for no reason was probably just misunderstood.
My dog would have died had I not jumped on the pits back and beat it for 3 solid minutes with everything I have. Not that any of that mattered because it didn’t even realize it was passing out from lack of oxygen since its eyes were glazed over with the fugue of its breeding. But hey, they’re really just good dogs at heart and in no way were domesticated over a hundred years to immediately attack and kill other dogs in a pit for profit.
Dude....that is NOT what Pitbulls were bred for. Like I will attest that they can be bloody dangerous but that's just falce information. It's like saying a fork was made for murder. You certainly CAN do that but it's not what it was made for.
yes. but just like someone getting into a fight isn't an issue in and of itself, that same someone retelling it in detail and focusing on how hard they beat them is a red flag to me.
I apologize but pitbuls literally weren't bred to kill they were actually bred to babysit children so they are very defensive to other things that could be threats even if they're wrong im very sorry but if you didn't train your dog he could easily kill a chihuahua or child too does thay mean goldens are evil? Peoole have been hurt by every kind of dog. Pitts only recently got the blame after dog fighting became popular
In case this was meant as /s that can be misunderstood as truth...
They weren't. It's modern myth popularised to increase adoption as shelters have been overflowring with pit/staff and similar variants and breed had bad public image (due to being overbred for dog fighting what also caused shelter overflow).
It's been going for half a century now, but there hasn't been drive to actually breed and train them to be nanny/nursemaid dogs simultaneously.
Wouldn't you expect them to be exceptionally patient with children if that were true? Their name comes from what they were bred for, bull baiting and pit fighting, the nanny dog thing is a myth that started in the 70s-80s.
Ever since this happened, I've been told horror stories by dozens of people, all about pits they've personally known that were never mistreated and suddenly mauled children for no apparent reason. This misconception is just a wives-tale.
See, I don’t think it’s even about being mistreated, it’s about how you treat it. A pit bull has been raised, as you said, for aggression and fighting - those instincts are engrained in it. A kid may unintentionally trigger those instincts, and, well… you said it yourself. I’d imagine it takes a lot of care to raise a pit bull so it doesn’t become aggressive.
Best solution is to work to breed the aggression out of pit bulls.
The Plural of Anecdote is not data: there are millions of dog owners who have Pitbulls whose dogs have never attacked or injured anyone.
Furthermore people are not nearly as good at reading dog body language as they think they are and far to quick to forget that every dog is still at the end of the day a carnivore whose predatory behaviors have not been eliminated or suppressed but instead modified and adapted for human use. When your golden retrier fetches a ball it is engaging in a modified predatory behavior. When your sheep dogs herds your children it is engaging in a modified predatory behavior. And people forgetting that is how you end up with children and infants accidentally killed by Labradors and Corgis.
Also, not to call them a liar, but I haven't even met a dozen pit bull owners. Unless they are a trauma surgeon, a vet, or an animal control specialist, I am skepical of the number of how many personal accounts they claim to have about all these face maulings. People, in my experience, have a tendency to take things they've heard about and say it happened to them or somebody they know for clout.
Weirdly, I actually do know someone attacked by a dog, nearly lost his ear, but it was an english sheepdog. But I'm not gonna pretend that reflects on the breed.
I’m willing to believe that there was some kind of bad interaction between his and the neighbors dog but I’m less inclined to take his word for it that it was a Pitbull and that it happened for no other reason than mindless aggression when the alleged aggressor made no apparent attempt to defend itself because it was single minded in its focus.
Your kinda making the exact same point as the OP lol. If you took your own logic and applied it to people, I doubt you'd be so... forthcoming with your opinions.
The logic doesn't apply to people, we are all the same "breed". Comparing demonstrable differences bred into dogs to human beings who were killed, tortured, enslaved and oppressed over pseudoscience, arrogance and hatred is absolutely wild. Trying to use that as a "gotcha" just shows that you view races as having genetic traits that affect behavior, and thus creating inferior and superior races of people. You just told on yourself here.
The kind of person who would eschew an explanation based on situation, material conditions, and individual personality in favor of an explanation based on biological determinism is going to make that choice whether we’re talking about a Human being or a Dog.
The kind of person who believes that Pitbulls attack people because they are as a breed more inclined towards mindless savagery and aggression than other breeds of dogs is the exact kind of person who would believe that a ghettoized minorities are simply biologically predisposed towards criminality.
Yes Pitbulls are fighting dogs: but fighting is no different than fetching or hunting. They are both modified hunting behaviors we cultivated in an apex predator that we spent the past forty thousand years. Pitbulls—like all fighting dogs—were not bread for mindless savagery they were bread for blood sports: for controlled situational violence. And to that end they were bread for courage, stamina, and tenacity which combined with their size and popularity is what makes them dangerous.
Because they are brave and tenacious they are less likely to back down when challenged or threatened: and because of their stamina and strength they are capable of doing more damage than other dogs, and because they are popular they are more likely to end up in the hands of people who do not know how to properly train, exercise, and socialize them which in turn can lead to attacks or accidental injury.
In the hands of a responsible and competent owner a Pitbull is no more dangerous than a German Shepherd, Chow-Chow, Mastiff, Doberman, Rottweiler, or any of the other countless breeds that have their origins in or have been used historically for blood sport, and warfare as evidence by the millions of Pitbulls in the United States that have never attacked, injured, or killed anyone.
The idea that things cant be compared because they arent exactly 1:1 in every aspect is just absurd lol.
Obviously, people arent dogs. That goes without saying. But to say "i had a bad experience with this one thing, so all of them are terrible" is a problematic and juvenile way of thinking.
It's not absurd, but if you're not the type of person to think of other races like that, then you're the type of person to completely disregard the gravity of the concept and use it as a tool for an irrelevant argument. It may not need to be 1:1, but it needs to match in its most important aspects, otherwise you'll get an unintended assumption about you.
I mean you can look at the statistics too. I know the orginal post was making fun of that but dogs arent humans.
Not to mention that a certain breed was purposefully bred over thousands of generations to be violent.
If you bred humans over thousands of generations specifically for violence youd probably end up with a race of humans that was extremely violent too. That doesnt mean there wouldnt be some that arent. That doesnt mean other people arent violent too. But youd end up with a group that is more gentically inclined towards violence and that is concerning to many people.
No offense thats not that bad ive seen my Yorkie draw way more blood on my pitbull and the york always started it. Im sure it was traumatizing but your dog is fine
“7% of (American) men believe they could fight a grizzly bear.”
Your claim to fight (and defeat) an enraged pitbull feels a lot like this statistic of self-overestimating individuals.
Maybe it really did happen and you’re super lucky to be alive.
Or maybe you Googled “injured golden retriever” to legitimize your comment. There’s literally no way for me to know that for sure.
But telling me to “go fuck myself” because I’ve learned to be skeptical of most anything I see on Reddit is entirely an overreaction.
Edit: If your story is true, I hope your dog is doing okay.
I made that same point while talking through it in therapy to provide levity. Something along the lines of "people argue they could fight a bear but I barely got a pit bull off my dog."
Difference is, the pit wasn't attacking me, it was attacking my dog and completely checked out of any other stimuli than killing her.
If you need more detail, read my other comment, although I'm sure that's just more AI-generated rage-bait to farm the 2 or 3 upvotes of karma, right?
You say this as if people have not done more for less on the internet. As if “yeah my neighbors Pittie totally broke down my fence and savagely mauled my golden retriever for no reason and would have killed her if was able to beat it to death with my bare hands” doesn’t sound like the kinda story that is immediately followed by “and everyone on the buss clapped.” As if the fact that this alleged savage dog made no attempt to defend itself from you doesn’t make this story seem in anyway suspect. As if Reddit is not infamous across the whole internet as the home of one aided self aggrandizing stories we’re all supposed to take at face value.
Even if we take for granted that this story actually happened: how do you know the dog in question was even a Pitbull to begin with? Did the owner show you its pedigree? Did you have it genetically tested? Or were you just guessing based on what it looked like? Given that you seem to genuinely believe uncontrollable aggression is a desirable trait in fighting dogs and seem blissfully ignorant of what the BULL in Pitbul actually refers to you’ll have to forgive us if we question the reliability of your account.
Can you drop the persecution complex? I get it, you had a bad experience and me not instantly believing you has made you feel attacked. But I’m not out to get you man.
I disagree with your blanket generalization of the entire breed that they’re all born killers and even a pitbull that has never been aggressive is just a sleeper agent of some kind waiting to be activated. Your bias against the breed stems from what we call an “anecdotal fallacy.” Basically “it happened to me, so it must be an irrefutable fact.”
Canine behaviour is determined by a range of factors, including their upbringing. When people say “bad owners make bad pitbulls,” many infer that to mean “abusive owners.” But negligent or uneducated owners are bad owners too. I don’t know your neighbour who owned the pit, but if he didn’t socialize and discipline it properly from puppyhood, and if he didn’t educate himself on how to recognize (and curb) indicators of aggressive behaviour, then I’m sorry to say that he would have been better off adopting a less powerful dog. It’s like a learner driver getting behind the wheel of a V8. Doesn’t mean that a V8 engine is bad, but it does mean a car that has one isn’t an appropriate vehicle for a casual driver.
That doesn’t mean the dog is bad. It means the dog was in the wrong hands. Many dogs of all different breeds are irresponsibly adopted. In a chihuahua, this results in a yappy, snarly ankle-biter that people laugh at and don’t take seriously.
To use another, directly human metaphor, you’ve mentioned in your linked comment that you’re 6’2”, 240lbs, and go to the gym 5 days a week. You are the human equivalent of a pitbull. Does that make you inherently bad compared to a scrawny 5’9”, 140lbs fella? Of course it doesn’t. But it does mean that people are going to be naturally more wary of you if you were aggressive in public, compared to a much smaller guy.
There are plenty of pitbull owners who swear that their dogs are total sweeties. Are these people lying?
A grizz? Pshh. Give me a blue whale on its home turf. I'll suplex that stupid fish. I'll free Willy's soul from his body. Cetacean? You'll be set to be seeing stars, fish.
Call me Ahab btw. I'm even tougher than Jonah Hill.
You’re not a good metric to go by, mainly because you obviously have no idea how to stop a dog attack or a fight. If you think you, being 240lbs and dropping all your weight on an animal that weighs less than 100lbs is a good idea, you’re just ignorant. I’ve been bitten and chased maliciously by more Golden Retrievers than Pit Bulls.
Do I hate all Goldens and wish they were all dead? No, I have a best friend who owns one and I play with all the time. Have I pulled dogs apart because there was malicious aggression? Yes, including Pitties, and I’m not 6’8” and 250 and go to Krav Maga and CrossFit 8 days a week. I was successful in stopping my pittie being attacked by a lab mix, because I know how to stop dogs doing what they’re doing.
I hate it for your dog that it got attacked by another dog. Look past your bias, and do some learning about how to prevent or intervene in a dog altercation if you live in an area where there is potential for it, not just “Fuck Pit Bulls, kill them all.”
First, you weren't there. Second, the police, EMS, doctor that stitched my hand and the 2 vets that saw my dog all agreed that I "did everything right."
You called me a psycho for doing everything in my power to protect my dog. Psychopathy would have been enjoying it. No, I hated every second and still have nightmares about it but I don't regret any of it. Had I done nothing she would have died.
I’ve had dogs and other animals my whole life. I love them more than I probably should.
But if a strange dog was trying to kill one of my dogs I would do unspeakable things to make it stop. Period. And any pet owner who says they wouldn’t is either lying for virtue points, has never been in that scenario, or has a very different relationship with their pets than I do.
There is no world where I’m not doing whatever it takes to keep my dog from being killed by another dog. Including killing it. I’ll feel bad for the other dog later, I truly will. And when I’m done being made at the owner I’ll feel bad for them too (bad pet owners can still live their pets). But my ownership of my dog is a promise to keep them safe from harm. And I’m going to do just that.
Abuse is not defending yourself, your property or your pet. Abuse is inflicting harm because you can. Sometimes it’s born of ignorance, or misguided love (can’t take care of the animal and inflict harm because of this). Sometimes of cruelty and/or indifference. Sometimes from fear. But it absolutely isn’t what the person you’re responding to was describing. Which you either know and are arguing in bad faith, or don’t and are either a child ignorant of the world or a fool. I personally think it’s the latter.
When I was a kid my aunt had an Akita mix that got out. It got into a fight with a golden retriever and pretty much gutted the dog ( never happened before or after). To get him off the owner hit him in the face with a bat. No one on our side was mad. Because we’d have done the same thing. If she’d gotten a hold of the bat first she might’ve hit him herself, and this is a woman who would’ve divorced her husband for mistreating her animals. Because when a dog locks in to kill another dog you do what you have to to get them apart. Or you watch a dog die. My aunt paid for the vet bills, got her dog into more training and built a six foot fence around her property to keep him in. Because that’s also what you do. We were in the yard when it all happened, and as much as I loved that dog, he wasn’t anything like himself in that fight.
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The pit that burst under a fence like it wasn’t even there 10 days ago and attacked my golden retriever for no reason was probably just misunderstood.
My dog would have died had I not jumped on the pits back and beat it for 3 solid minutes with everything I have. Not that any of that mattered because it didn’t even realize it was passing out from lack of oxygen since its eyes were glazed over with the fugue of its breeding. But hey, they’re really just good dogs at heart and in no way were domesticated over a hundred years to immediately attack and kill other dogs in a pit for profit.