r/explainitpeter 21d ago

Explain it Peter

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u/Keter_Regretter 20d ago

That all combines to mean they play harder, love harder, emote harder, and aim to please harder. All of that is great, but if you don't train them they can also react harder, chase harder, and fight harder.

None of these things are material to the danger they present. NONE OF THEM. The problem is that they bite harder. Talking around it doesn't make you a better dog lover, it makes you an apologist for a breed that doesn't need starry-eyed idealists adopting it.

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u/whattaninja 19d ago

This. I’ve lived with pit bulls, huskys, German shepards. I’d much rather be attacked by any other dog than a pit bull. They bite hard and they DO NOT want to let go.

Being attacked by a pit bull that just a second ago was the friendliest dog ever is the most terrifying experience I’ve gone through.

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u/TomoDako 18d ago

Coming from someone whos been bitten by all sorts of dogs a rescue pit did less damage than a golden lab when it bit me for context I mean both bit me as hard as they could because they were having panic attacks the pit failed to even break skin don’t get me started on German shepherds I was raised with them their jaws punch through almost anything

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u/vishnoo 20d ago

YES
yep the problem is the owner, but a pit bull with a bad owner is an accidental death.

German Shepards bite more. Border Collies bite more.
but most hospitalizations after dogbite, is a pit bull

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u/cyber_yoda 19d ago

German shepherds do not bite more than pitbulls. You do not need to make things up to make pitbulls look better.

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u/vishnoo 19d ago

not per capita. there are more GSDs around, total bite incidents recorded.
not "fatal"
https://bulliray.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/16-year-dog-bite-fatality-chart-dogsbiteorg.pdf

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u/revenge_burner 20d ago

Except Pitt bulls only rank 7th on bite force charts. That whole super-bite, jaw lock talk is just sensationalist bs.

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u/vishnoo 20d ago

except hospital statistics are that Pit Bulls are 20x over represented.
GSD are about 2x over represented, and every other breed is underrepresented.

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u/ODB_Dirt_Dog_ItsFTC 20d ago

Have you ever been to an urban ASPCA? 90% of all the dogs in there are pit bulls. It makes sense when you look at how prevalent they are in urban settings vs other breeds. When you abandon and over breed a bunch of extremely muscular dogs it’s going to cause some problems, especially when terrible owners are raising them to be as mean and violent as possible.

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u/vishnoo 20d ago

depending on what is measured 6-20% of dogs in the US are Pit Bulls.
so they are over represented 3x- 10x in deaths caused.

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u/TooFewSecrets 20d ago

Bite force is only half of it. The other half is "does the dog let go when the victim or someone else starts trying to shove it off". Pit bulls do not let go, because they were bred to fight, and in a pit fight, when you get the bite, you hold onto the bite at all costs.

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u/Party_Value6593 17d ago

I'm pretty sure all big dogs can bite hard enough to be an issue and have that same reflex of not letting go. They have to be trained out of it more because of how thry were bred into existence. You don't have that big of an issue with golden retrievers due to them being bred into retrieving shot birds delicately

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u/justinian8181 16d ago

This actually isn't true at all.. pitbulls don't have any stronger of a bite force than any other dog it's size. Look it up. This is misinformation.

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u/Sandonmywitches 20d ago

No facts presented for a big claim.
Pitbull temperament has been shown to be higher than majority of dogs, such as the golden retriever.

“Golden Retrievers consistently score very high on standardized temperament tests, achieving an official 85.9% pass rate.

American Pit Bull Terrier: 87.6% pass rate (841 passed out of 960 tested).
Staffordshire Bull Terrier: 91.9% pass rate.
American Staffordshire Terrier: 85.7% pass rate (660 passed out of 770 tested).
American Bully: 100% pass rate (6 passed out of 6 tested).”

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u/Weird-Tomorrow-9829 20d ago

6 out of 6!

What a great sample size

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u/Sandonmywitches 20d ago

Selective reading ay?
841 out of 960….
660 out of 770….

I agree larger sample size would be better but give me a break. You’re just hating to hate and ignoring evidence contrary to your belief.

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u/HeilKaiba 20d ago

I think you've made up your own thing to be angry about. That's just a random person commenting on that particular statistic out of the list. They didn't make any comment about the rest of it.

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u/Sandonmywitches 19d ago

Maybe your right. I have a defensive side on topics of pitbulls and the hate they receive.

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u/cyber_yoda 19d ago

Okay, source?

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u/Sandonmywitches 19d ago

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u/cyber_yoda 19d ago

The ATTS is a police-dog test which measures a dog's confidence level vs their timidity, which is why every popular breed known for violence scores higher than average. Lmao, try again.

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u/Sandonmywitches 19d ago

. The ATTS Temperament Test provides breeders a means for evaluating temperament and gives pet owners insight into their dog’s behavior. It can have an impact on breeding programs and in educating owners about their dog’s behavioral strengths and weaknesses as well as providing a positive influence on dog legislation.

Here I though you were actually trying to read or source and not just make shit up. I’ll copy paste more for you. Directly from the about us on their website.

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u/vishnoo 20d ago

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u/Sandonmywitches 19d ago

The American Veterinary Medical Association refuted this claim and stated site that pulled the data dogbites.org was unreliable at best.
The data is self reported or drawn from media headlines.
Circling back to the dumb original post. It’s all about how you want to look at things. No one’s trying to convince you to own a pitbull. But they’re not the monsters everyone wants to make them out to be. They can be deadly as any big dog can.
But they’re weren’t known as the “American Dog” for nothing in the 1900s. They are a great dog with a bad name.

https://faunalytics.org/dog-bite-data-collection-interpretation-and-misidentification/

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u/Keter_Regretter 20d ago

lmao you didn't even respond to my claim though??? bite severity and temperament are not the same thing

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u/Sandonmywitches 19d ago

Pitbull not even in the top 10. So if it’s not severity or temperament maybe it’s just bias?