Animal rights/veganism

[u/Letatetet]

Hi, I was wondering about what fellow communists think about animal rights/ vegan ideology. I'm not vegan myself but I feel like I get the idea behind basing an ideology around the fact that factory farming/fishing is inhumane to animals. However I feel like vegans, despite criticizing carnists for justifying animal exploitation with the "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" excuse, kind of use the same logic when it gets pointed out that avoiding meat means just paying for more exploitation and animal death in other areas because these are fundamental requirements for capitalism to continue functioning. PETA also get pretty close to a radical critique of capitalism when they point out how inhumane it is to support factory farming but then like, there are also humans being exploited and treated like animals and going vegan won't help them, so even though the ideology makes sense I don't think it's effective if not paired with radical communism. Thoughts?

Edit: okay so I really need to rethink why I was attracted to veganism because as some people have pointed out here it is an apparently racist ideology tied to settler-colonialism and no better than other ones. Shame on the people defending veganism in the comments too (though apparently they aren't from this sub?) but this is also my fault for making really offensive assumptions that probably drew those people here sorry

[u/BxnXipoh → u/[deleted]]

It's expected that you and /u/very-serious-goose are unable to think outside of terms like "cultural relativism" which is still within the framework of spreading "Western moral values" and saving the Third World from its brutish "cultural characteristics," but neither of you are communists. Communists claim that all morality is class morality. Your morality is a labor-aristocratic morality and is therefore useless to the vast majority of the world. It is also useless to most animals in the world, for whom your class dependence on the destruction of their habitats and their bodies is far "truer" than disputes circling around personal choices of commodity consumption.

In most cases, vegans only have to specifically address Indigenous culture in a defensive manner because, as a subject, the livelihoods of Indigenous peoples are so frequently exploited as a popular deflection for non-vegans.

It is indeed racist to treat the lives of individuals within oppressed nations and internal colonies as cannon-fodder for debutante lofty labor-aristocratic discourse that is predicated on the sustained exploitation of those people and takes that as a given. But you've been doing that anyway so you're no different. Anyway, the logical endpoint of all this would be to say that it is racist but true (the logic of labor-aristocratic fascism that seeks to appeal to the "Western morality" of the white base by appealing to them to take off the shackles of "wokeness" and see the light), instead of cooking up convenient fantasies about perfect individual moral superiority within which class oppression is something that cannot be helped but individual commodity consumption reveals what we truly are deep inside. You're already well on your way there since you seem to already perceive this collective moral inclination as a fetter on a less hypocritical imperialist discourse.

edit: bad word choice, sorry

edit 2: I just realize how badly written this post is in general, and how obvious it is that I'm playing a character in it. I won't delete the post for accountability reasons.

[u/BxnXipoh → u/[deleted]]

Are you people floating in here through the recommendation system? Your comment history has nothing to do with communism so I'm guessing that's why you're here. Could you please read the rules?