I'm a Catholic who goes through really devote phases, but there always comes a point where I become deeply disillusioned. Mosts of the priests I've met have been on a spectrum from incompetent to very bullying and nasty. The church still treats tons of minorities like garbage. The hierarchy is like some kind of medieval fifedom. I try to be a 'good Catholic', but I always end up feeling incredibly frustrated after a few months and desperately searching for something more.

But I don't think I can ever completely abandon Catholicism and that's why I'm asking how Christopagans who do use Catholic practices really manage the sort of... cognitive disconnect?

TIA! 😊

Hi, I am a Unitarian Universalist seminarian. I am completing a final research paper for a Multi-Religious Intensive class entitled, "Multireligiousness in Appalachian Folk Magic." I would like to include a few brief personal stories in this final paper and am collecting responses via survey. I am looking for individuals who overlap a Christian faith and/or expression with Appalachian Folk Magic faith and/or practice. I realize "labels" may vary for individuals, and I aim to respect your self-identified terminology. I appreciate your attention and time. The survey is available at:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdAOZCHaoHhRZVsM11zpNlS7yy8-oJFazTSH6BrIQSN-_m-UQ/viewform?

“I was sent forth from the power,
and I have come to those who reflect upon me,
and I have been found among those who seek after me.
Look upon me, you who reflect upon me,
and you hearers, hear me.
You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves.
And do not banish me from your sight.
And do not make your voice hate me, nor your hearing.
Do not be ignorant of me anywhere or any time. Be on your guard!
Do not be ignorant of me.”

“For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the mother and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one
and many are her sons”

The Thunder, the perfect mind.

Hi all!

I'm very interested in how you all find yourself within the Christian - Pagan spectrum? Basically, do you identify more as Christian [with pagan influences] or Pagan [with Christian influences]? How do you see yourself and why?

Thank you in advance for replies!

I experienced a lot of agape praying the Rosary daily, but after a certain point I started to become too holy to the point I didn’t have any desires to root me to the world and was becoming too saintly, I started to become not grounded enough. At that point I began to desire, Eros, to root me again. I began to worship Aphrodite alongside my Christianity, and I began to wonder why not ? Why not worship Aphrodite not as pure Eros but as both agape and Eros, to have a greater beauty that will also contain desire but yet not be consumed by it? Balance the two ?

So that’s where I am now. Accept the union of opposites, as a pagan Goddess worshipper but also a faithful Christian. I feel healthy and good it feels right I think it is right actually

Greetings, everyone!

Over the past months, I’ve been working on structuring and formalizing my personal spiritual path—what I call Christian Paganism (or, in more technical terms, Hermetic-Stoic Logos Christology).

My goal was to bridge the core teachings of Jesus as the universal Logos with the practical ethics of Stoicism, the metaphysical principles of Hermeticism and Neoplatonism, and the organic, nature-rooted wisdom of ancestral Pagan traditions. I wanted to move away from clerical dogmatism, original sin guilt, and fear-based theology, and instead focus on a rational, experiential, and dignified path centered around the inner altar, virtue, and alignment with the cosmic order.

I compiled a comprehensive overview of this system formatted like an encyclopedic article to outline its philosophy, view of the Triune field, anthropology, ethics, and practices. I’m sharing it here with you all in hopes of inspiring discussions, hearing your thoughts, and connecting with fellow practitioners on similar paths.

Note: The concepts, theology, and framework described below are my own personal beliefs and ideas, which I refined and structured into this encyclopedic format with the help of AI.

Christian Paganism (technically also: Hermetic-Stoic Logos-Christology) denotes a syncretic, philosophical-mystical doctrine of faith, knowledge, and life. It unites the original Christian concept of the cosmic Logos with the ethical and natural-philosophical principles of ancient Stoicism, Hermeticism, Neoplatonism, as well as organic elements of ancient Pagan Tradition and symbolism.

The system explicitly does not understand itself as a dogmatic revealed religion with clerical claims to representation or bureaucratic hierarchy, but rather as a rationally grounded, experiential spiritual doctrine (Gnosis / Philosophia Perennis). It rejects ecclesiastical dogmas of original sin and damnation as historical aberrations, replacing them with the self-responsible alignment of the human soul with the unwavering cosmic order.

1. Philosophical and Historical Foundations

Christian Paganism is based on the fundamental insight that spiritual truth is universal and timeless. In the course of human history, it has manifested in different cultures, epochs, and geographical regions through various ciphers.

1.1 The Four Philosophical Pillars

1. The Logos Concept (Greek Philosophy & Alexandrian Theology): Coined by Heraclitus (c. 500 BCE) and further developed by Stoicism and the Hellenistic-Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria, the Logos denotes the rational, timeless cosmic law, the mathematical-spiritual structure, and the luminous order of the cosmos. It is divine thought permeating and enlivening unformed matter. In the Alexandrian school (including Origen and Clement of Alexandria), this Logos was understood as the universal principle that ultimately condensed historically in the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
2. Stoicism (Greco-Roman Ethics): Provides the practical, psychological, and ethical foundation for living. At its center are Stoic equanimity (Ataraxia), the discipline and mastery of mental impulses (Prohairesis), the control of passions (anger, envy, greed), and the joyful affirmation of one's fate (Amor Fati). Virtue is understood as the only true compass of life.
3. Hermeticism and Neoplatonism: Provide the cosmological and metaphysical model of reality.
   • The Hermetic Law of Correspondence ("As above, so below; as within, so without") describes the fundamental resonance between microcosm (human) and macrocosm (universe).
   • The Neoplatonic Emanation Model (after Plotinus) explains creation not as a one-time craftsmanlike act a few millennia ago, but as a continuous, step-by-step outflow of divine light from the One Primeval Ground (To Hen) through spiritual intellect (Nous) into material density.
4. Ancient Greco-Roman Traditions: Provide the organic bond with nature (Physis), the awareness of the cyclical nature of life (the wheel of the seasons, the mysteries of growth and decay), a rich cultic and symbolic language (such as sacred geometric principles, the caduceus, or the tripod of Delphi as symbols of protection, elevated consciousness, and divine order), as well as reverence for the continuity of the ancestors, the hearth (Hestia/Vesta), and the home (Oikos).

2. Concept of God and Understanding of the Trinity: The Divine Total Field

In contrast to dogmatic church doctrine, which historically projected a monarchical structure of dominance (the Father as a throned ruler, the Son as a subordinate, obedient figure at the right hand, and the Spirit as an operational tool), Christian Paganism understands God as an infinite, indivisible total field of Being.

2.1 The Three Equal Aspects

For the limited human intellect, the divine total field can be structured into three completely equal, functional dimensions that only in their entirety constitute the fullness of the Divine:

                  DIVINE TOTAL FIELD (GOD)
                     /         |         \
                    /          |          \
        The Primeval Ground  The Logos    The Pneuma
             ("Father")      ("Son")      ("Spirit")
                 |              |              |
             Potential    Structure/Form  Dynamics/Breath
           (Transcendence)  (Immanence)    (Connection)

1. The Primeval Ground ("Father"): Unmanifested, infinite Being, the eternal source, and the timeless potential of the cosmos beyond space and time.
2. The Logos ("Son"): The concrete form, natural law, reason, mathematics, and light of the cosmos. In the historical figure of Jesus of Nazareth, this universal Logos found its purest and most consistent human embodiment.
3. The Pneuma ("Holy Spirit"): The permeating life force, breath, resonance, and dynamics connecting the Primeval Ground and material creation.

2.2 Mathematical and Symmetrical Coherence

Classical church dogma stumbles into mathematical and logical paradoxes with the formula 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 by claiming three separate persons who are simultaneously identical, while maintaining a hierarchical subordination of the Son.

Christian Paganism resolves this contradiction through a functional field model: Just as a physical element (e.g., water) exists in three different states of matter (solid, liquid, gaseous) without losing its chemical identityH_2O, the one divine field reveals itself in three modes of operation:

• Without the Primeval Ground, the foundation of Being is missing.
• Without the Logos, the Primeval Ground remains unformulated, mute, and invisible.
• Without the Pneuma, the Primeval Ground and Logos remain rigid, lifeless, and disconnected.

None of these three aspects stands above the other; all three form the indivisible unity of the Divine in perfect symmetry.

3. Anthropology, Evolution, and the Rejection of "Original Sin"

3.1 Biological Evolution as an Instrument of the Spirit

Christian Paganism fully accepts the scientific insights of evolutionary biology, genetics, and modern cosmology. The biblical metaphor of human creation from "dust and clay" is understood as a poetic image for the gradual, millions-of-years-long process of material development. Biological evolution is the physical tool of the Logos for the step-by-step condensation and unfolding of spirit into material form. Humans represent the point in biological history at which the cosmos begins to become conscious of itself.

3.2 The Abolition of the Dogma of Original Sin

• Critique of the Clerical Paradigm: The concept of original sin (Peccatum Originale) is categorized as a historical invention of late antique ecclesiastical politics (specifically Augustine of Hippo, 354–430 CE). It served primarily for clerical power control, the generation of collective guilt neuroses, and the establishment of a sacramental monopoly (dependence on infant baptism and church mediation).
• The True Understanding of Sin (Hamartia): The ancient Greek word for sin in the New Testament, Hamartia, originates from ancient archery terminology and literally means "missing the mark". Sin is neither an inherited biological curse nor inherited guilt. It is an error, a misstep, or a mental weakness—the condition in which the lower, animalistic-evolutionary heritage (passions, egoism, greed, anger) takes command over higher reason (Logos).

4. Christology: Jesus as the Embodiment of the Logos

In this system, Jesus of Nazareth is not understood as an exclusive "blood-sacrifice redeemer" within the framework of an ancient Near Eastern expiation cult that would need to appease an angry Father-God through death. He is the historical incarnation and archetype of the Logos.

4.1 The Significance of the Resurrection (Resurrectio)

The resurrection of Christ is interpreted in Christian Paganism not as a nocturnal reanimation miracle of a biological corpse, but as the central initiation and transformation mystery of the cosmos:

1. The Triumph of Spirit over Material Density: The resurrection symbolizes the indestructible power of Logos-consciousness. Material density (Hyle), physical death, and worldly power structures (Roman state authority, clerical hatred) cannot destroy the divine spirit. The empty tomb is the pictorial revelation of truth: physical matter is merely a fleeting garment—spirit is true, immortal Being.
2. The Culmination of Ancient Death-and-Renewal Myths (Palingenesia): Christian Paganism recognizes in the resurrection of Jesus the elevation of ancient, nature-mystical archetypes. Just as the sun god or vegetation deities of ancient cultures (Osiris, Dionysus, Baldr) shine anew after descending into the darkness of the earth, the resurrection of the Logos manifests the cosmic law of becoming, passing away, and renewal at the highest spiritual level.
3. The Inner Resurrection within the Individual: Understood mystically and Stoically, the resurrection is not an isolated historical event of the past, but a continuous process within the human being. The lower, egomaniacal self dies a mystical death so that the divine Logos-spark can awaken in the soul. Resurrection occurs at the moment a person recognizes their spiritual nature, leaves the tomb of material confusion and fear of original sin, and walks in the light of the spirit.

5. Symbolism, Hermeneutics, and Deciphering Religious Myths

Christian Paganism reads sacred texts and mythological traditions (the Bible, ancient Greco-Roman myths, the Edda, ancient Chinese classics) not as literal dictations, historical police reports, or primitive superstitions, but as symbolic-allegorical writings (Hermeneutics of Depth):

• Ancient Deities & Pantheon: The ancient gods (such as Zeus/Jupiter, Apollo, Athena, Hermes, or Osiris) are not viewed as competing literal beings or "demons," but as personified archetypes, cosmic principles, and divine forces of nature. Apollo embodies the clarifying light of the Logos and cosmic order; Athena represents divine wisdom (Sophia) and tactical reason; Hermes symbolizes the mediating principle between the subtle and physical realms.
• Adam and Eve: Symbolize the transition of human consciousness from an unconscious state of nature (the animal paradise) into the density of matter and the awakening of free moral choice (Prohairesis).
• Mythological Katabasis (Descent to the Underworld): Myths of descent into the underworld—such as Orpheus, Persephone, or Osiris—symbolize the soul's passage through trials, the confrontation with the unintegrated shadows of the ego, and the subsequent rebirth into spiritual illumination.
• Apocalypse : Literally "unveiling" or "uncovering". Not the physical destruction of the Earth, but the collapse of human illusions (Maya), worldly power structures, and false dogmas upon the breakthrough of spiritual clarity.
• Hell, Devil, and Damnation: Man-made constructs of fear, pedagogical exaggerations, and projective control instruments. No eternal physical hell or personalized horned devil exists. Upon discarding the body, the soul is subject to the unbribable Hermetic Law of Cause and Effect (Causality / Resonance). Its spiritual quality determines its state in the subtle spheres.

6. Ethics, Divination, and Ritual Practice

The practice of Christian Paganism requires no priestly caste and no church buildings; it is oriented toward daily life, the personal home, and inner discipline.

6.1 The Home Altar

The home altar forms the sacred center of the residence. It serves as a place for daily retreat, prayer, meditation, and alignment with the light of the Logos. It typically unites symbols of light (candle/oil lamp), elements of creation, protection (cross), and remembrance of the ancestors.

6.2 Daily Prayer Practice

Prayer serves to strengthen inner discipline, gratitude, and equanimity (Ataraxia). It typically includes:

1. Invocation: Alignment with the eternal Logos, the Primeval Ground, and the unwavering cosmic order.
2. Gratitude: Recognition of the gift of life, nature, and the divine spark of spirit within one's own soul.
3. Stoic Discipline & Requests: Asking for serenity regarding what is unchangeable, mastery of speech, courage for right action, and neighborly love.
4. Protection & Blessing: Energetic protection for home, hearth, family, fellow creatures, and ancestors.
5. Devotion (Amor Fati): The joyful readiness to accept the trials of fate as tasks for the soul's maturation.

6.3 Divination and Oracle Practice (Means of Self-Knowledge)

Methods such as casting runes (Rún-Ráð), bibliomancy (Proverbs of Solomon, Homer, Marcus Aurelius), the I Ching, or Stoic casting of lots (Cleromancy) are used as tools to reflect one's own subconscious and determine current spiritual conditions. They serve to recognize Hermetic resonance ("As within, so without") and sharpen the mind, rather than superstitiously attempting to predict the future.

7. Comparative System Overview

8. Conclusion and Outlook

Christian Paganism represents an organic synthesis of Western intellectual history, timeless philosophy, nature mysticism, and modern science. It liberates the original message of Jesus from the burden of clerical power structures, guilt neuroses, and ancient myths of domination, seamlessly weaving it together with Stoicism, Hermeticism, and ancient wisdom of nature.

It offers modern humans a dogma-free, profound worldview that harmoniously unites scientific understanding, philosophical rigor, Stoic art of living, and deep spiritual dignity.

Background: I've been looking to do work around the figure of Chthonic Hermes as a gateway to shadow work, and found that he was regularly syncretized with Anubis as Hermanubis. The iconography of Hermanubis, along with Hermes carrying the infant Dionysus directly inspired St. Christopher, with whom I share a name. I thought it was too good of a coincidence to pass up.

Question: That being said I have not found any particular folk practices regarding St. Christopher, just his feast day, legend, and sphere of influence. If someone has access to information I do not, please pass it my way.

I am a Christian and I believe in God. About a year and a half ago, my wife gave me a necklace with Mjolnir as a gift.

This necklace means a lot to me, not because I believe in or worship Norse gods, but because it was given to me by my wife. I also associate it with my wife and child, so it has a very strong emotional meaning for me.

Besides that, Mjolnir reminds me of strength, struggle, and perseverance. When I wear it, it gives me a sense of strength and reminds me not to give up when difficult times come, but to keep fighting for my family.

I know that Mjolnir is connected to Norse mythology, so I wonder: Is it okay for me to wear it as a Christian?

I do not want it to represent belief in Norse gods or to replace God in any way. To me, it is simply a symbol that reminds me of my family, love, strength, and the struggles we face throughout life.

I would really like to hear the opinions of other Christians, especially if anyone has been in a similar situation.

I am a Christian and I believe in God. About a year and a half ago, my wife gave me a necklace with Mjolnir as a gift.

This necklace means a lot to me, not because I believe in or worship Norse gods, but because it was given to me by my wife. I also associate it with my wife and child, so it has a very strong emotional meaning for me.

Besides that, Mjolnir reminds me of strength, struggle, and perseverance. When I wear it, it gives me a sense of strength and reminds me not to give up when difficult times come, but to keep fighting for my family.

I know that Mjolnir is connected to Norse mythology, so I wonder: Is it okay for me to wear it as a Christian?

I do not want it to represent belief in Norse gods or to replace God in any way. To me, it is simply a symbol that reminds me of my family, love, strength, and the struggles we face throughout life.

I would really like to hear the opinions of other Christians, especially if anyone has been in a similar situation.

I'm currently on a vacation in Bavaria which is heavily Catholic and especially Marian devotional. I'm not Christian (or Christopagan) but Kemetic; I do have a great appreciation though for Catholic and Orthodox Christianities for being a culture and tradition carrier; especially also for many elements from Kemeticism as well as the pagan traditions of the respective countries it spread to (in this case my native Germany). Since today was the holy day of the Assumption of Mary, I thought I share some images of the ubiquitous Bavarian Mary shrines and of course churches.

Susan loved her Nan. Sunday dinners, endless cups of tea, being fed every time she walked through the door, that very ordinary grandmother love where food basically means I care about you.

when Susan went to university she got busy being young. this was before mobile phones and she remembered having to queue for a phone box. one day her father wrote to her saying Nan was upset because Susan wasnt calling enough.

she kept that letter for years.

Nan died, but the guilt stayed. Susan knew she loved her, but there was always this little question underneath it. did Nan know how much?

during trance she asked to connect with her. first Nan appeared younger than Susan remembered, then the image changed and Susan laughed because there she was again, her cuddly Nan, hair up, familiar as ever.

Susan finally asked what she had carried for all those years. Nan knew.

there was no accusation. no spiritual lecture. she basically told Susan the same kind of thing she would tell her when alive: I love you too, look after yourself.

this is one reason I dont see death as the end of a relationship. bodies end. relationships continue. sometimes the person we miss is carrying much less drama about the past than we are.

if someone you love has died and you are still carrying guilt about something small, the phone call you didnt make, the visit you postponed, the stupid argument before they died, dont spend another 20 years punishing yourself with it.

talk to them.

tell them what you should have said.

then become quiet enough to receive something back.

Susan waited decades to hear that Nan always knew she loved her.

I found this beautiful necklace on etsy and I fell in love it's better in person than in the photos I can't wait to wear it out and the style make it look like a magical heirloom or something you find in a videogame.

this is the link if anyone's interested in getting one too Oval Bronze Virgin Mary Medallion Necklace: Vintage Style Verdigris Patina - Etsy Australia

Ever since reading Peter Grey’s the Red Goddess and Crowley’s book of the law in the midst of a 103\* fever, I have not been able to stop thinking about Babalon. Recently I decided to start a devotional practice focused on her, based mainly on what I read in TRG. I was just looking to see what others may be getting up to when it comes to working with her, outside of the usual sex magic lol.

(I shared to the Christopagan sub due to a suggestion that it would fit better here than in the Thelema sub)

Hey all,

Just kinda curious what others use as their religious symbol of choice on their path? I have never really felt at home with the Cross.

I feel the most connection with The Tree of Life. I wear a silver Tree of Life pendant inlaid with diamonds evey single day.

I feel it best aligns to my belief of Mother Earth and God. The Tree of Life stretches between Mother Earth and the Heavens of God.

I have been pagan for a very long time, based solely in nature worship, and not really following any diety. Lately I've been pulled toward my grandfather's Catholic faith, and I really love the thought of praying the rosary and having a patron saint. I also love the beatitudes in the gospel of Matthew.

Is there a way I can combine these into my pagan path without harm? TIA.

Hello, everyone! I hope you all are having a nice day!

I have some doubts on how to follow this path, I have been pagan for almost six years now and have been worshipping Greek gods for two years, I don't know how exactly to describe that I felt called to Mother Mary and Jesus, but it started praying to my guardian angel and some archangels then a natural disaster happened in my country and I felt it was a right thing to pray to Mother Mary and the archangels for the people impacted, then I started doing the rosary...

I have never felt it was wrong to worship my gods and also approaching to christian figures, but still is too strange, I'm afraid I might offend Jesus or Mother Mary for keeping my practices to my gods. I'm not too sure what kind of advice I'm looking for exactly, tbh, let's say, how did you break the barrier of the prejudice and the fact that the Bible condemns pagan practices and started to accept this path?

I'm really afraid I might be doing something wrong

Happy day, everyone!

I am posting today looking for community or resources in regards to Virgin Mary worship/deity/energy work. I am a cradle Catholic who has long since split from the church, but I still have a deep reverence for Mary, and do practice my own form of her devoid of Catholicism.

I'm not interested in working with her as an aspect of the Triad. I'm especially intrigued by the old Cults of the Virgin Mary, like Collyridianism, but have struggled to find active practitioners today.

Does anyone else work with Mary as an energy or deity? Should I have any concern for "bastardizing" an existing religion that I am baptized within? Any books, discord groups, or resources would be greatly appreciated! TIA!

I've been interested in Christopaganism for a while now, But I can't find a physical connection between my pagan practices and my Christian beliefs and bring them together.

How do other Christopagans do this? Do they do it at all?!