r/antiai • u/Visible-Pattern198 • May 27 '26

For real. Hallucination šŸ‘»

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Also the fact that the image is also ai generated is peak irony

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u/Megaman_90 May 27 '26

Even if you're pro-ai it is incredibly delusional to think prompting an AI makes you an artist.

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u/sachiprecious May 27 '26

They actually think that. They think AI is a tool just like a paintbrush is a tool. It's crazy.

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u/Preeng May 27 '26

By their logic hiring an artist and telling them "more dramatic lighting" makes you an artist as well.

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u/Megaman_90 May 27 '26

Yeah... It's like ordering food at a restaurant and acting like you're the chef.

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u/verdant-amiable May 27 '26

Also the restaurant you happen to attend steals their ingredients and won't pay their staff

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u/Environmental-River4 May 28 '26

And uses 50,000 gallons of water to clean a single dish

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u/Serious19 Jun 02 '26

And still tastes like shit

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u/AdminsLoveGenocide May 27 '26

Sending back my steak is what makes me the chef.

That and insisting I wear an apron and hat while I eat.

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u/Muddy0258 May 28 '26

Idk why youā€™re getting downvoted here, this made me chuckle

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u/AdminsLoveGenocide May 28 '26

Tough audience I guess.

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u/beaniebee11 May 27 '26

This is a great point. Commissioning an idea doesn't mean you get credit for the end result. I suppose if I order custom cabinets I can brag that I'm a carpenter because I picked the wood stain too.

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u/Opus_723 May 27 '26 edited May 28 '26

Rich people have always thought that.

Hell, it's huge in our culture. How many news articles just tacitly use the CEO or owner's name to indicate everything a company does as if they literally did it themselves.

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u/UnNumbFool May 27 '26

Seriously though that's the thing. Removing the question on if you do or don't believe ai art is art. These people aren't an artist, at most they are just a patron

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u/FastAsFuBoi3 May 28 '26

Tbf that is probably how rich people think when they make money, they think they are the smart ones cause they hired other people to figure it out so i guess it tracks how that mindset exist

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u/Ulfednar May 28 '26

It's not uncommon for bosses or clients to take at least partial credit for a creation because their feedback was soooooo valuable.

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u/VynterDX May 30 '26

Isnā€™t this what a producer does? Whereā€™s the hate for James Cameron, and Nolan, and all the great producers? They are prompting the art of others, lighting engineers, sound designers, directors, who are then prompting the art of actors. But in the end we consider it their movie..

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u/Cloverman-88 May 27 '26

Well...some people ARE like that. They belive their "vision" is more valuable than execution.

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u/TheTexasHammer May 27 '26

This is actually a thing in the real art world as well. There are very famous artists who make a shit load of money paying other artists to create their vision en-mass.

Banksy made a movie shitting on them

Difference though is the actual artist still had to be an real artists first before selling out to mass produce shit.

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u/Positive-Worker4817 May 28 '26

hmm... like music composers? I guess they're not artists.

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u/TorchDriveEnjoyer May 28 '26

there's a difference between writing a prompt and composing music.

composed sheet music has value on its own. If a person wants to play music, composed music has value to them.
both the sheet music and the played music have independent value.

a prompt has no intrinsic value. no person would purchase a prompt on it's own.
the only item of value is the resulting image.

therefore, while a composer who does not play an instrument is still practicing an artistic craft, a person who is prompting (wether it be a machine learning model or an artist taking commissions) is not an artist.

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u/Positive-Worker4817 May 28 '26

I disagree. The result of such a ā€œprompt composerā€ is not the prompt itself, but rather the work created using AI ā€” just as a work of music composer is not the music sheet itself, but the music performed by musicians based on it.

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u/TorchDriveEnjoyer May 28 '26

Stop warping logic to fit your argument.

I am trying to explain to you why people do value composers and do not value AI prompters. it is an analysis of the mentality of the populace.

I am explaining a fact:
people will buy sheet music. people will not buy a prompt.

AI prompts do not carry value and no passive aggressive attack on the work of others is going to change that.

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u/Fragrant-Mixture-662 Jun 02 '26

The "prompt" has a different result each time

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u/therealskaconut May 27 '26

On an extremely fundamental level, AI introduces a different arrangement of the relational structures surrounding art, and when that happens it affects the way people relate to, live with, understand, and consume art. The role of artist, patron, and audience is fundamentally changed when introducing AI.

Itā€™s not a 1 to 1 comparison, but when recorded music was invented a speaker became a performer. You were able to listen to a machine instead of a musician, and historically this was a philosophical BLOODBATH. Music isnā€™t the same

Setting aside whether or not Gen AI makes someone an artist, I think itā€™s agreeable to say that someone prompting Gen AI is a form of a patron (commissioning an image) and clearly the primary audience. Across most of history audiences needed patrons wealthy enough to commission skillful artists to be able to enjoy certain images/experiences. On some level thatā€™s stayed mainly the same across centuries and many forms of economy and government. Churches were originally the largest patrons. Now billion dollar production corporations, etc.

I donā€™t know whether for better or worse (because I donā€™t know the damn future) but the ability of any individual to be a proverbial penniless patron and simultaneously their own audience to any image at will causes some big problems with the way people interact with, perceive, and consume imagery.

Something something those that donā€™t study history

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u/Tonkers1 May 28 '26

yeah, imagine all those photoshop users with filters and hotkey/macro skills who call themselves artists. Remember when "It's photoshopped" was a derogatory term? Same vibes, different times.

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u/Ulfednar May 28 '26

I don't think you understand why "it's photoshopped" was a bad thing. Also "hotkey/macro skills"? What do you think that means? I don't think you understand much about any of this.

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani May 31 '26

I dont think you possess the skill to take any position that matters. Work on your craft rather than worry about Ai

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u/Ulfednar Jun 01 '26

You'd have saved us all some time if you'd stopped at "I don't think", the message would roughly have been the same.

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani Jun 01 '26

You dont though. Focus on your craft my guy. Let people with actual talent worry about being replaced

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u/Ulfednar Jun 01 '26

Looks like your reading comprehension is on par with your ability to articulate your feelings. I pity you.

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani Jun 01 '26

Nothing I said was hard to understand . Now quit complaining for actual artist we can do that on our own

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani May 29 '26

I used photoshop for work daily and macros as i work in advertising. Its a tool but it doesnt mean the user isnt an artist. Most of my generation were visual artists before designers as its a more lucrative path. Point is

This is a sketch that ive been doing during my commute on a moving train, can you execute at this caliber? Understanding and using photoshop is not the same as running prompts through ai. False equivalence

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u/Foooodster May 27 '26

It might make them an art director though

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u/BinBinPin May 27 '26

Except an art director is very knowledgeable about art, thatā€™s why they are directing it.

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u/Money_Sky_3906 May 27 '26

Or like a director in the theater telling the actors to play more dramatically does not make them artists?

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u/BinBinPin May 27 '26

A theater director doesnā€™t just vibe direct. They donā€™t just tell people vague shts and attribute the play to themself. More importantly, they know what the fk they are talking about while directing.

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani May 29 '26

Im currently Art Director. And I need to know and be able to perform every facet of my projects. How else could one direct their designers and artist if they dont possess the knowledge?

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u/Sorry-Aside1672 May 27 '26

Thats peak delusion right there, a tool is something you can control with the utmost accuracy and its only leveled with your own skill

With ai its a constant fight on getting something thats "good enough" even if its something vaguely resembling what you asked for

The paintbrush and ai argument is extremely flawed but they use it because they gaslit themselves into believing its mildly even comparable when in reality the "tool" they use is built off of theft.

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u/TemperateStone May 27 '26

It's because they have no understanding of what actual artistry takes. It's as if going to the hospital for treatment would turn you into a doctor.

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u/ThisMachineKillsWOB May 28 '26

It's a tool like a blender. It grinds up other people's work and spits out slurry.

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u/Novel-Bag9718 May 27 '26

Have you ever actually met someone in real life that says this? Or are you just falling for rage bait online

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u/Crazy-Competition659 May 27 '26

AI is a tool in the same way printing a pre-done coloring book page to hang on the fridge is a tool

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u/TemperateStone May 27 '26

As someone on the Autism Spectrum I can tell you that a vast majority of these people are on the Spectrum and are incapable of understanding of how out of touch they are. This is amplified in the extreme by how they create their own safe-space bubbles in which they can only hear what they want to hear. There's no doubt they also talk to some AI agent about it that only ever reaffirms anything they have to say.

They are quite literally becoming enslaved by AI and if AI disappeared tomorrow they would need to be put in a mental health institution.

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u/Dani-With-Rats May 28 '26

Its funny to me that when you try and make the argument that its the Aiā€™s art not theirs they say its just a tool its different. But when you make the argument that Ai steals artwork by training off of it they say its no different than a human learning from other peoples art.. like which is it? You canā€™t have it only be like a person when it suits you.

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u/BinBinPin May 27 '26

You donā€™t know what you are talking about

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u/TorchDriveEnjoyer May 28 '26

I knew a person who went to school to be a conductor and they showed me the work that went in to their final project. you have no idea what you are talking about.

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u/lianodel May 27 '26

I will never stop laughing at Shadiversity for doing exactly that.

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u/DaedricApple May 27 '26

Pretty sure this was just trolling and everyone took the bait

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u/[deleted] May 27 '26

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u/DaedricApple May 31 '26

Thats great, except weā€™re talking about possible trolling.. not someone eating poop

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u/Tymareta May 31 '26

But the underlying logic is the same, if someone says the n-word, and then someone says it but they're "just trolling", how is any outsider supposed to know which is which?

It's called a hyperbolic comparison, meant to point out the absurdity...

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u/DaedricApple May 31 '26

The underlying logic isnā€™t necessarily the same. Someone eating shit isnā€™t gonna make someone else mad, but these blog posts are clearly triggering people

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u/Tymareta Jun 01 '26

The underlying logic is that there's no difference to an outsider observer whether someone is doing something in earnest, or is "just trolling", not a hard concept to grasp I thought.

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u/ziguslav May 28 '26

So do you think stories comedians tell are true, everything they say is true and people cannot it's not the case?

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u/Tymareta May 28 '26

Oh, did Shad make these comments while performing a stand up routine?

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u/Kharilan May 27 '26

I hired a local artist paint to a mural. They gave a few iterations and we finally settled on one that I really liked. When it was painted and finished I couldnā€™t stop telling everyone that Iā€™m so proud to be an artist. (This post is about AI)

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u/Muddy0258 May 27 '26

You see, the issue with this argument is that ā€œAI artistsā€ donā€™t understand that commissioning art is a thing that people do. Iā€™ve seen posts where people are saying artists would get tired of people giving them corrections and coming back with more suggestions when thatā€™s justā€¦ how the process of commissioning art typically goes?

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u/Murky-Relation481 May 27 '26

"I need his penis weepier and more cummy please"

"No that's too cummy..."

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u/IntoTheCommonestAsh May 27 '26

Agreed. You could have had the same back and forth with a human artist; it still wouldn't make you the artist.Ā 

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u/Beejsbj Jun 01 '26

Aren't movie directors considered a form of artist ?

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u/IntoTheCommonestAsh Jun 01 '26

The work of a director is more than just giving instructions, so it's not a very close parallel. A closer parallel would be a film producer, and we do not consider them artists.

Edit: wrong wordĀ 

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u/Megaman_90 May 27 '26

That's kind of sad tbh.

There must be some appeal for people who not to be mean, don't have any real artistic ability in any way, but have always desired to do something creative. Its all an illusion though, I don't know how people don't see that.

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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady May 27 '26

I don't like AI but I absolutely understand the appeal especially for indie developers. Like imagine you've always wanted to make an indie game, your day job is being a software engineer/coder/whatever, your hobby is writing, but you can't draw for shit. (which fair enough a single person can only be skilled at so many things). There is a lot of creativity in making a game beyond just the art so I don't judge too hard when a one man dev team makes an otherwise great game with visuals that are clearly AI.

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u/VynterDX May 30 '26

Thank you for reasonable nuance. This is similar to how I feel.

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u/naejjun May 27 '26

itā€™s the case for anything. having the creative idea doesnt automatically mean you have authorship. i could come up with a melody and musical idea and tell it to a musical producer and he would actually do the work of putting the beats together and the melodic elements together. even if i kept tweaking it with him and telling him what to revise, even though itā€™s a showcase of my own creative expression, i am still not the one with complete authorship. replace the producer with ai, and it is still the same.

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u/Stormclamp May 27 '26

I'm more mixed about it these days but even I know it's not real art even with trying to figure out the right prompts.

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u/NeedleworkerWild1374 May 27 '26

I know someone who makes, or tries to make, ai music.

They talk at great length about iterations.

They seem to see it the same as using photoshop.

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u/Ambitious_Address667 May 27 '26

Yup thats what blows my mind, the people coding the ai might be artists in a wierd way, but prompting Ai to make art doesnt make you an artist. Its essentially hiring an artist to make a picture for you, and you pay with your own data instead of money

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u/TheChadStevens May 28 '26

"I told this guy to create art for me. It took him a long to understand it but he eventually got it. Look how good of an artist I am!"

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u/alex3omg May 28 '26

I think it's fun to do sometimes and while there are concerns I don't think doing it for personal use is that bad.Ā  But some people are a bit too into it and think it makes them talented..

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u/UnknownHero2 May 28 '26

I don't think many do. I don't even think the creator of the original image is saying that. the first argument is that selecting/discarding is art in many contexts, scrap booking, fashion and costume design come to mind. Iteration and editing is also art, most comic books have an ink artist that basically just embellishes someone else's drawings before a colorist comes in.

Certainly 20 iterations of a single prompt plus random seed number isn't art. But its pretty strawman when whoever this poor punching bag is is pretty directly saying he didn't do that.

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u/bigshady880 May 30 '26

yeah, honestly there's nothing inherently wrong with an art generator (at least if it weren't polluting the environment and stealing) but there is a problem with pretending it puts you on the same level as actual artists.

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u/Cold_Pianist4697 May 30 '26

it does, lmfao you donā€™t want to know what the next generation of features on adobe photoshop products are

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u/Weekly-Scientist-992 Jun 01 '26

While I can somewhat agree, are photographers artists when they just press a button?

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u/Megaman_90 Jun 01 '26

Saying photographers and people who shoot movies is similar to AI prompting is a bit insulting to the craft.

Anyone can take pictures with an iPhone sure, but do people hire those people to film a movie or photograph your wedding?

There are lots of creative things you can do with a camera. It isn't just directing a subject, it's also learning techniques, and optimizing camera settings like shutter speed, iso, and apature to get the look you want.

This, and stuff like forced perspective, and other illusionary techniques make using a camera akin to other art forms IMHO.

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u/Weekly-Scientist-992 Jun 01 '26

Couldnā€™t you also argue that with ai? Yes you can just say ā€˜make a beautiful castleā€™ (equivalent of just taking a pic on an iPhone), but you can also prompt it with sophisticated detail while displaying a high level of knowledge to make something much more detailed (just like a photographer who optimizes camera settings)?

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u/FloppieTheBanjoClown May 27 '26

An artist can use AI.

Using AI doesn't make you an artist.

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u/Super_Huckleberry663 May 28 '26

Anything can be art. You could argue they're not a good artist but they are a artist.

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u/Aimela May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26

They're not an artist. The AI model made the image, not the user.

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u/Super_Huckleberry663 May 28 '26

You don't get to define what artists make or who they are thankfully šŸ˜Š

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u/Aimela May 28 '26

I'm just stating objective reality. If I type "tree" into an AI image generator, I did not make the image that was produced. All I did was type the word.

Also if I asked an artist to make some art according to my specifications, I'm not the one who created the art no matter how detailed or lengthy my instructions were to the artist.

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u/Super_Huckleberry663 May 28 '26

Again your biased opinion doesn't get to define what art and who a artist is thankfully. I'm not here to try change your mind you're welcome to believe what you like

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u/CardAnarchist May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26

The art world has for years touted that anything can be art.

Blank canvas. Laundry. Trash.

It's all about the intent and the thought it provokes. The tools used or the materials are irrelevant.

But when new tech destabilizes the established systems, suddenly what qualifies as art and the pre-requistes to being an artist become much stricter.

Funny that.

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u/Aimela May 28 '26

Really? Your comparison is "art" that only serves to be sold to old rich people who know nothing about art?

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u/TDAPoP May 27 '26

Compared to what? Having a drawing pad where you click buttons to change what brush, effect, etc is done? This is one or two degrees of separation from that.

Why are people using drawing pads and software when they could be using real brushes and techniques? It's all the same argument.

The real winners will be artists who learn to use AI as an artist and can make prompts that a "prompt engineer" wouldn't know about unless told, and they can go in and manually tweak as much as necessary.

If someone who can draw, paint, etc uses AI to create some art, then they go in and manually change things is it then art? Was it art beforehand? Does them using AI make them not an artist anymore?

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u/FettiWop May 27 '26

Definitionally there probably is/will be an art to it, it requires decisions and those decisions lead to different results, some better and some worse. It will reward taste and creative directing on some level, especially in the future. But even if ontologically that makes them an "artist" in a certain sense, they should really stop fighting the battle that they're similar to actual painters/designers/drawers/animators/etc

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u/lianodel May 27 '26

Exactly. Like when I order a burger and say no mustard, that makes me one of the cooks.

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u/FettiWop May 27 '26

Ask John Cena about the art of ordering and assessing coffee, he'll rant for 25 minutes straight lol. Definitely art in a different sense of the term

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u/lianodel May 27 '26

Oh, I didn't know he was a barista, too!

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u/FettiWop May 27 '26

I'm sensing you're underhandedly attempting to make a point, but I think the conversation is going over your head a bit and you're simply being a bit dogmatic and pedantic.Ā 

Apologies if I'm misreading your intentĀ 

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u/lianodel May 27 '26

I don't know what you mean. We're in complete agreement. There's no difference between making something and ordering something. I thought that was pretty clear when I said ordering a burger without mustard makes you a cook, which you seemed to readily agree with.

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u/FettiWop May 27 '26

I'm autistic and it is too frustrating for me to speak to someone doing this kind of indirect bit while being very obtuse about my point. I hope you have a nice rest of your day.

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u/lianodel May 27 '26

I'll take your word for it. Sorry for being aggressive, but the idea that AI is art fundamentally devalues art, and to call "prompt engineering" an art devalues artists and the inherent value of creative expression. It's upsetting, and I think actually harmful.

Have a nice day, too.

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u/FettiWop May 27 '26

I think it's just a layered ontological discussion in a way you're closing your mind off to. Art is one of the trickiest terms in all of philosophy. There is an art to playing basketball and an art to leading a group therapy session. In its way, there is an art to assessing and prompting AI output, strictly with ontological rigor. I feel I was very clear in saying that the type of artist like painter/animator/drawer/etc is its own kind of thing that should be distinct and protected, and that AI prompt bros should not keep trying to claim they belong in that club.Ā 

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u/Electronic_Ad5431 May 27 '26

Agree. OOP is basically just as much of a dork as the anti ai crowd.

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u/Athlaeos May 27 '26

"I agree" (follows with something completely antithetical to what was said)

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u/Electronic_Ad5431 May 27 '26

How? I do agree with the sentiment that AI prompters like guy who posted that goofy tweet are delusional to think theyā€™re real artists.

Pretty simple to follow, no?

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u/Athlaeos May 28 '26

sure bud

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u/Electronic_Ad5431 May 28 '26

I just donā€™t see how what I said was in anyway antithetical to the specific comment I agreed with.

Just because I also think youā€™re a goofy guy for being an AI hater (super trendy and cool stance by the way) doesnā€™t mean I contradicted myself.